What have been the turning points in your life?

It's not always an age, though it might be. But usually there's an event in our lives that sticks out through the map of our earthly years, as a turning point of life.
It may be for different reasons, and we may or may not know at that time that it is a turning point.
Or perhaps we always do know, right then?
What have been the turning points in your life?

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My turning point was when I met my Guru Swami Muktananda. Nothing could ever be the same for me after that. Guru Om

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Roz, what changed for you?

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 My Guru Swami Muktananda

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• A yoga book by a guy named Allen I bought in 1972.
• A girl who said “Go back to Colorado because thats all you ever talk about”
• Getting picked-up hitchiking by a guy who said “I got a job for you on top of Rabbit Ears Pass”.
• Falling down while skidding logs causing the undeniable urge to quit.
• A ground blizzard in Wyoming that caused me to go to Colorado Aero Tech.
• An ear ache in Korea causing me to argue with a Flight Engineer, who got me suspended, creating the opportunity to be in Charleston, South Carolina where I met the future Mother of our children.
• Not getting hired by FedEx 'causing me to move where I'm currently at.
• Googling the name of a girl with a warm smile on the cover of a yoga journal and finding Zaadz.

           This is what happens when you opt to write your lifes script in water with a stick.  
                                                 Smiling Joe
          

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Joe, were you aware WHEN these happened, that these were turning points?

Now there are stories that I'd love to hear - how about starting with “An ear ache in Korea causing me to argue with a Flight Engineer, who got me suspended, creating the opportunity to be in Charleston, South Carolina where I met the future Mother of our children.”

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Meenakshi - greetings to you,
Can you know turning points: a gut feeling, a little voice, a sixth sense? Yes I say - I know it all too well. You go along just doing and then a warmness comes and you know one of lifes chapters will change. I know turing points when they happen. I flow with what ever happens practicing lot's of equnimity, conscious awareness, and prana.

 Now - the story about Korea. It's not short at all. It's one odd thing after another that gets me from flight line maintenance in Asia to relaxing in South Carolina.  It was in Charleston that It ended up with a discussion about the effects of sunglasses on Daniel Boones eyes. A girl, niether one of us knew, jumps the fence and joins our table. After getting the jest of our conversation she moved her chair next to mine and we were together for seventeen years. I have never questioned the 'why' of it. When something is absolutly the way it is supposed to be you know it. 
               Nameste'         Joe

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I was thinking about your question and I realised there is no big single event that I can say has been the turning point in my life. The turning points have been many, sometimes small and sometimes major….I really cant specifically say “this is the turning point”. However I can say that many people are involved in these turning points…..my husband, my son's, my parents, my close relatives and friends. Its amazing how when I am writing this it feels like the whole world has had a part to play….:). Its like there have been a whole lot of inflection points which have shaped my life…like the whorls of a flower opening. I owe it to a lot of people for what I am today. One of them is you Meenakshi!!!
Love
Shanth

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I think that you may not think of any particular event because you have flowed through life, which is actually a very wonderful way to live. And Shanth, thank you for that compliment! It's heartily reciprocated…remember the times we used to drop in for meals any time we wanted?

As kids would say - “Good times, good times”

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I like that visual – like the whorls of a flower opening.  Can see how it works.

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Illness as a child determined my later career in nursing
A near death experience, which changed my attitude to death and life and developed my intuition
Marriage, brought travel and children widened my horizons.
At my lowest point I learned to heal self and to see others as my mirror
a humbling learning experience.
I learned much about love from my father, many patients and their carers
showed me much of lifes virtues, courage, love, compassion, letting go etc
it was a privalage to nurse and support these people.
Googling spiritual and finding Zaadz, great to share this vision

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Great ones.

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This is it. I am curently in a wheelchair [4 years ]. I have learned to receive help;.

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Wow, that is powerful Georgemarc. You must have so much strength. For some people, learning to accept and even - yipes - ask for help is difficult and you sound like one of them. Thank you for sharing something so personal.

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That is a biggie. And it strikes a chord, as i have also seen how important it is not only to give of oneself but then to give even more of what one does not have,and let another fill in that gap.

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I met Yogi Sudhdhananda Bharathy at my home town along with my father while I was a small boy. Later I read almost all his books. His autobiography highly attracted me. He was given an award for his epic titled ‘Bharatha Sakthy Maha Kavya' by the Russian government.  It was a huge work, I read the entire book. He made a request to provide a printing press so that he can print all his literary works. He was a follower of Yogi Aravindha, auroville, pondicheri. he and so many others was a reason for my attitudes at present.

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Finding a graduate program at age 41 that did not require a GRE or a thesis!

Getting work in academia after having the College chancellor as a teacher.

Going to a bookstore, seeing a sign for a website to publish your own book, logging into it, finding a chat forum for writers to talk to writers, entering the chat, finding on person in the room, chatting-falling in love with said person and moving to Reno and getting married.

Finding Tricycle Buddhist Review which was full of excellent articles in March 2007, finding zaadz ad and joining the community!

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When I realized that I needed to get out of a long-term relationship for my own safety and sanity.  Saved the tiniest bit of money and took what I could carry in a suitcase and moved myself to St Louis, where I didn't know any one or have any employment lined up.  Not for the faint hearted.  I was in my early 30's. 

I have never regretted it and wouldn't be where I am now, might not even still be alive now, if I had not done that.  My 2 young sons owe their lives to my courage in finding a way to leave, as it eventually took me down the path of finding their dad.  My sons exist because I persisted in finding a way to be their mom, even though I was over 40.  Having them was a definite turning point in the nature of my marital relationship.

Deborah

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Good for you; so glad when I hear a woman surviving.

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I'll cheat and link to my blog post on the same topic.

There were many turning points in  my life. My year stationed on a tiny Aleutian Island was one of the first really big ones. That's what the link above is to. I knew at the time what was happening to me. Though I was so young (20) I knew that I was undergoing some powerful growth. It's because I did it on purpose. I realized that the only way to keep sane out there was to make changes within, so I stumbled blindly ahead and found a way to grow.

Going to Mexico by myself without first knowing a word of Spanish was a big one. When I walked through neighborhoods of poverty I could never have imagined, and saw joy among the people living there. I thought and thought about it. What does that mean? If you have nothing and are still happy?

Getting advice from my grandmother to go to Al-Anon meetings, and then going, was huge. There I learned that I can't fix the sick men in my life, all I can do is take care of myself.

Re-vamping my character. Another intentional period of growth, and by far the most painful. This is the time when I consciously chose who to be, down to the level of my capillaries. I stopped being who I thought I “should” be, and started to be who I am. I successfully alienated every friend I had and my family too. When they got used to me, my family came back (Yay!). We are more honest and more loving now, though the relationships are not smooth anymore (but more real?). The friends never came back, but I have new and better ones now.

Meeting my best friend April. She has, at every moment since 1999, been exactly the friend that I need and I owe her so much.

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Crystal, look fw to reading about your book when you've written it! What remarkable events!

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a great question…some of them are…
 - when i decided to marry my wife, after going thru' some soul-searching - is she right for me or is she not? etc etc. This was the best decision of my life!!
 - when i decided to move out of my hometown and country (i'd stayed there all my life, until then)..that was a biggie
 - while going thru' a down phase, which lasted for months/years, one day, i was shown possibility, and that it just takes a moment to change a life. What is needed is inspiration…
 - learning the hard way, but learning well, that there is light at the end of the tunnel…
 - learning to take risks, and the growth that comes with it…
 - learning to let go, and to let God…ahh what peace…and the experiences that have led me to believe this deeply…
so many…all painful while going thru', all priceless in hindsight…

And yes, i didn't know that they were turning points while i was going thru' it. Perhaps more the pain, the bigger the turning point, if one is open to learn from it.

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Turning Point

In my life there have been several events that have sent me into a new direction, however two appear to be significant. 

I left Indiana in my 30's to attend graduate school in San Jose, CA. major,fine arts.  In the second year (out of three) the student housing I lived in with my two young children was scheduled for demolition and I was forced to leave school to earn a living to provide for housing.  That search led me into my current field of social work.  After several years I decided to return to school to seek a Master's in Social Work.  That was maybe 10 to 12 years later.  The year I was accepted into school I was also diagnosed with breast cancer and underwent surgery two months prior to the beginning of the term.  I went through chemotherapy during that first year and had a very difficult time concentrating.  As a result I got less than the appointed grade in one class.  That instructor told me to seek a different profession.  I didn't.  I graduated with honors and continued to work in the field.  I plan to retire after 20 years of service to families and children, most of whom are affected by substance abuse.  I have been honored to work with the National Association of Drug Court Professionals and the Department of Justice training initiative in training county agencies,throughout out the United States and Hawaii, on establishing drug courts in their communities.  I have also served on a national panel of experts formed to establish “best practices” for working with families in child welfare affected by substance use and abuse. 
Although the events that provided the turning points were traumatic and certainly not easy to endure, I am grateful for the outcome.
Joyce

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All the responses above got me thinking:

I wonder..the more traumatic a turning point, the more it changes not only our outer life, but the inner landscape in which we live?

Traumas may not always be for the best..but then again, perhaps it depends on whether we take them as birth pangs or death throes.

 Come to think of it, that's the same thing - but in different dimensions!

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Perhaps the most important turning point was the time around my 50th Birthday. Meenakshi asked me to re-post this here. Other turning points were 1989 and 1980. But these are other stories…

 
Re: 50th birthday partyAlbert said Today, 5:49 AM:

it was a small, silent event at Nov 12 in 2004. I was preparing to leave Germany /Nov 14) for a longer time because I lived and worked then in Dubai.

I was focused more on the whole year 2004. A clear metamorphosis happened to a collective worldcentric consciousness. And shifting to a purpose , to authentic self and a new dimensnion in my life. Not about transcendence any more, not about family, friends and professional projects but towards evolution and its complexity on a larger scale AND a greater depth.

And it was the first year in my life when I saw clearly how all the fragments, paradoxes and lines coming together, forming a mosaic and a powerful transformational momentum.

And this transition was a personal one too. Leaving behind finally all projections, shadow, confusion about spirituality and so called unconditional love. The experiences of dark night of the soul were over. I had them over many years until 2004. They were profound and important. As lots of so called Kundalini Experiences. I realized in many ways finally what Andrew cohen is teaching. Not beeing his student but my own time of 30 years of spiritual practice and meditation brought me to this breakthrough.

And I discovered it not about any form of experiences , states or energy, however developed all this stuff maybe. Ultimately its about the relationship to this all. The difference between the extraordnary and the ordinary collapsed finally.

This pocess was on a thin line between agony and ecstacy.(For the bodymind which tried to dominate..) Finally the caterpillar was dead and the butterfly came out. Lots of times I experienced the phenomenon of “skinhunger” which ken Wilber spoke about in ONE TASTE in his entry of June 22, 1997. I saw how powerful, sometimes terrific, demanding and thrilling transformation is on a deep level.

And one former teacher (for a short time) came to my consciousness. It was German Teacher Karlfried Karl Dürkheim who said this in his book “The Way of Transformation”:

The Way of Transformation
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The man who, being really on the Way, falls upon hard times in the world will not, as a consequence, turn to that friend who offers him refuge and comfort and encourages his old self to survive.

Rather, he will seek out someone who will faithfully and inexorably help him to risk himself, so that he may endure the suffering and pass courageously through it, thus making of it a “raft that leads to the far shore.”

Only to the extent that man exposes himself over and over again to annihilation, can that which is indestructible arise within him. In this lies the dignity of daring. Thus, the aim of (spiritual) practice is not to develop an attitude which allows a man to acquire a state of harmony and peace wherein nothing can ever trouble him. On the contrary, practice should teach him to let himself be assaulted, perturbed, moved, insulted, broken and battered - that is to say, it should enable him to dare to let go his futile hankering after harmony, surcease from pain, and a comfortable life in order that he may discover, in doing battle with the forces that oppose him, that which awaits him beyond the world of opposites.

The first necessity is that we should have the courage to face life, and to encounter all that is most perilous in the world. When this is possible, meditation itself becomes the means by which we accept and welcome the demons which arise from the unconscious, a process very different from the practice of concentration on some object as a protection against such forces.

Only if we venture repeatedly through zones of annihilation can our contact with Divine Being, which is beyond annihilation, become firm and stable. The more a man learns whole-heartedly to confront the world that threatens him with isolation, the more are the depths of the Ground of Being revealed and the possibilities of New Life and Becoming opened.”

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Albert, what you describe is even more than a turning point; I realize as I read it. It's a multi-dimensional transformation.  I can almost feel the heaviness that is left behind.

I know we usually use the metaphor of butterfly; but really, nothing else seems apt.

I am going through a transformational time right now; and it has none of the pain and angst that earlier ones have had. What I am reminded of, when I read your account, is of a time when I felt that everything came together. When all parts of me, which seemed so different and unrelated, all came together.  This was a turning point towards healing.

For you, it seems to have been one of a culmination and a beginning. I'll have to read up about skinhunger; unless you want to explain how you experienced it?

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The skin Hunger, as Ken describes it should be known by every Buddhist or practioner who did advanced retreats in his life. lets say for monhs or years. Its coming up when the bodymind is transcended and can no longer play its infinite modifications and variations. Dark night of soul and senses arises. See Reports from Gopi Krishna, Muktananda, Irena Tweedie et al. too…

NOT to be confused with ANY Shadow phenomena. Thought these ones can emerge occasionally too. Even if Shadow has been integrated it can return on very deep collective levels. We have examples in the German history of 20th century. But thats another story….

So, to get started….here are some excerpts from this blog entry -June 12, 1997(around Kens own 50th birthday!) -of Ken Wilber:

“.So I really closed in on myself (during writing Sex, Ecology , Spirituality )and for three years I lived exactly the type of life that many people think I live all the time- namely, I really became a hermit. In fact, apart from grocery shopping and such, I saw exactly four people in three years. It turned out to be very close to a trasditional three year silent retreat. It was by far the most difficult volontary thing I`ve ever done:

Q: Didnt you go nuts?

KW: The worst part came about seven months into the retreat. I found that what I missed most was not sex, not talking, but skin contact-simple human touch. I ached for simple touching. I had what I started calling “skin hunger”. My whole body seemed to ache with skin hunger, and for three or four months, each day when I finished work, I would sit down and just start crying.

I`d cry for about half an hour. It just really hurt. But what can you do in these cases except witness it? So eventually a type of meditative equanimity started to develop toward this skin hunger., and I found that this very deep need seemed to turn away, at least to some degreee., precisely because of the awareness I was forced to give it.  after that, my own meditation took a qunatum leap foreward -it was shortly thereafter that I startedet having glimpses of constant awareness, or a mirror-like awareness that continued into the dream state and the deep sleep state.

All this of came about, I think because I was not allowed to act on this skin hunger. I was forced to be aware of it, to bring consciousness to it, to witness it and not merely act it out. This skin hunger  is a very primitive type of grasping, a very deep type of desire, of subjective identity, and by witnessingit, making it an object, I ceased identifying with it. I transcended it to some degree, and that released my own consciousness from this most ancient andbiological drives. But it was a very rocky roler coaster for a while…”

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Ummm..Albert, but what about your own experience? Surely that would be personal and individual to you? I do appreciate your describing Ken Wilber's experience, though, and will read it again.

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I will desribe it -perhaps -later this year.its simply too much to do here. As I am in lots of fast paced, deadline based action these times. You cannot do Formula 1 Racing and Meditation at the same time:):)

its a dimension and phenomenology not even Andrew Cohen describes in public. And for good reason. Everyone who is at this point will find the teachers, circumstances, people and core groups naturally.

I am always doing hard work to connect public discussion and core group dynmaics. However every attempt to do so is limited. Nealry all Core groups do not communicate their stuff in public. And vice versa public nearly never touch these dimensions. Not even scratching the surface..

So lets see when the right moment and the right circumstance are arriving….

Best,

Albert

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Reply to post, and I will try to keep it short, but I feel led to make this a public post not a PM to Albert.

I (think I) totally understand what you and Ken both said. What he didn't say there but which must (IMO) be true in his way of thinking, and mine, is that skin hunger (which is a starvation epidemic in much of the world, especially American culture, and leads to all kinds of weird social behavior) once dis-identiied with and transcended, is then included again, from a Oneness (non-dual is the jargon term) Consciousness.

But of course, then it is a different experience. But as long as one has a body, one of its characteristics will be that it thrives on and is nourished, literally nourished, by skin-to-skin contact, and that becomes not any kind of neurotic need or attachment, but simply a need like food water air that is built into the nature of the organism. (Probably everyone has heard of the experiment of depriving babies of touch. They wasted away and died.)

Until one of course reaches the level of consciousness development where body is optional, not left behind but optional. aka “Ascended Master” or “physical ascension.” Many readers of this thread are going to get there, whether they realize it now or not, IMO.

OK, nuff nuff.

Namaste, OM Bastet

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A turning point in my life has been the past few months. From being someone who was very non-physical, feeling little joy in physical exercise or fitness, except for short bursts of time, I am now working diligently as a doctor has told me I'll be on medication otherwise, for a chronic condition.

That's a good reason to start and continue!! As I was struggling on an exercise today, the trainer exhorted me to think of what I want to achieve; not what i am experiencing at this moment.

With a flash i realized that apart from wanting NOT to take medicine, I don't have a clear enough dream for physical life. Something to work on now; moving away from detachment to attachment; from what I considered higher vibrations to what I now know is not superficial at all.

A good teacher can be anyone; not just one who is “spiritual”; but one who says the words you need to hear at the right time!

[ And  Albert, it's fine; and we'll hear what you've to say when you say it. Enjoy whatever's keepign you busy! ]

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preparing launch of German Node for

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Supporting:

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Co-creating a Private World Class media College in Dubai and Abu Dhabi and beyond…

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Initiating with Russ Volckman a presence for Integral leadership Review for German speaking Countries.

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Constant Blogging Presence here at Gaia. Though nearly nobody of my colleagues from Europe with relevant messages is active any longer here.):)it took me thousands of hours last year. And i understand my friends that they are not willing or cannot afford to contribute suchan amount of time..

This is altogether a 14 hour day. Thanks to Anitta, my wife, for her infinite support as much as for her constant challenging me . And for showing me what a mother of 4 children and grandmother of 6 grandchildren is embodying in caring, responsibility and power.

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I am in the middle of a turning point right now! David Dorin Ross's book Power, Freedom and Flow   is giving me a whole new outlook on my life. I feel like it is just beginning insted of approching the end. Just getting in touch with my true self is a turning point

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One of the major turning points in my life was a job offer. I was living in Iceland, my husband was still in the Navy and I wasn't anymore. I had applied for several on-base jobs.

When the personnel office called me to say I had an offer from the Safety Office, which was staffed with Icelandic people, the lady that called should have told me that the Navy had offered me a job first. I found out then that they both offered me jobs, therefore, I got to choose. I decided that I needed to get completely out of the Navy and took the other job.

It was one of the best decisions I have ever made. It cleared the way for me to learn so much more about Iceland and free-thinking people than I would have normally. I left the base and drove around and saw the wonders that you can only see in that part of earth, many people never left the base which was a little slice of the U.S. set in another country!

I learned so much, culturally, from my Icelandic co-workers. They are wonderful people if you just show a little interest in their country. They are also VERY well-educated and can speak intelligently on any subject, even American history.

My youngest son was born over there, for which I will always be grateful. It is an amazing country, filled with friendly people, with a rich and ancient heritage and I am happy to have known it.

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Sarah, I'm sure most of us know very little about Iceland and the people there. I would love to have more information; and will look for it in your blog.

This seemed to have been a real turning point in your life.

Reminds me that when we were in Singapore, I preferred to live where the people from that country stayed; rather than where other expats stayed. That wouldn't have given me any idea of Singapore at all. So I can relate to your experience.

I know the US has slices of America in different countries which makes it easier for Americans to live in an otherwise strange or even hostile environment. That has its own life and much could be written about that as well; but nothing to beat the long vacation that it seems when we actually live with those of other countries.

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Meenakshi,

I did love Iceland, so did my mother. She came once after my father passed away and found out I was pregnant, so she came back when my son was born.

I still write to two of the Icelandic guys I worked with, they are like good friends even though I haven't seen them now for 18 years. We trade pictures and Christmas letters and that's about all now.

My family would love to go back there and see the things we missed the first time around. Maybe we will.

I have not been to Singapore, but you understand about immersing yourself in the culture of a place and how that's so much more satisfying than watching it from afar and fearing to try something different. I personally love trying new things, and seeing places that few people have seen.

The people have evolved from Vikings and their captives, to a peaceful, nearly crime-free society. I asked one of the men I worked with how they did that and he shrugged and said “we grew up”.

I wish the rest of us would.

Peace and hope,
Sarah

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Sarah, I really like that.

“We grew up.”

Perhaps we need to know more about how they did that. Any writings we can read?

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Yes, Meenakshi, it is a simple, but thorough statement.

The Sagas of Icelanders are their readings, still read in Icelandic, but I have a copy that was translated to English. They stories are mainly about their heroes and the conquests they made, I'm not certain they explain the change of warriors into peaceful people. Perhaps it's because they no longer have a threat?

Iceland was under other countries' rule for most of its existence, Denmark, England, etc. Now they are independent and they fiercely guard their heritage from the language to the customs.

At some point, the 1700's I think, the island was nearly abandoned because of terrible volcanic eruptions and earthquakes. Most of the vegetation and livestock was killed but due to the fierce pride of these people, they stuck it out and thrived there.

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Wow!  All of you folks have had some incredible journeys through your lives in comparison to mine.  The turning point in my life was in 2003.  I had been separated from my husband for over two years and living with Greg.  All was going well.  The day was May 31. He was working at the Navy Base (Civilian post) making good money, when we got a notice from his bank stating that the payroll check that he had deposited into his account (the first one from that company) had done the rubber ball number.  After that, the next two checks were considered no good.  He was now out of work, with two mortgages, a truck payment, gas, fuel for the house, insurance on the vehicles including his motorcycle.  Everything was left up to me on top of what I had to pay, my truck payment, insurance for the truck, groceries…now I had all of his too….I cracked.  It took a year of therapy and a kick in the butt, from myself to get over and become human again.  I went back to work in a dealership and made good money and slowly got back on track…and then it went kapooie again.  That is when we suddenly moved to Florida.  Greg got a promotion and we now live by the Gulf and both have good jobs with promising opportunites.  He just turned down a move to Rhode Island.  LOL.  The next move may be in a couple of years to the Keys, but we will see.  That was the turning point for me. 

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Here is the latest and most collective turning point I can think of— the place that we are in right now at this moment in history, as we say a fond farewell to GW Bush and his regime and our hearts open and lift up to welcome the hope of tomorrow under The Obama Administration.

I submit this with intentions for our healing from 8 years of greedy, misguided leadership that wrought such terror and misery on so many lives and our mother earth. May you have a healthy catharis from this and may it serve to release the old and clear the way for the new!

http://maryrives.gaia.com/blog/2009/1/hello_obama_bye-bye_bush

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Whao-that is one of mine; grad school without GRE and thesis-am halway through at 70.

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I can see why we all connect; all of you have great comments.
I too, have many; they involve my mother's acceptance of being mentally ill, AND followed by her untimely death from cancer, at 46. Others are my husband stopping drinking, followed by moving to Florida. A big one is completing my BA at almost 70, and halfway through my Master's at 71 (Sunday).
The picture is from a newspaper story that was done on me-also a TV spot!

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Cindy, how inspiring! What do you enjoy most about going back to school?