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Doug! what a great idea…

actually I'm surprised there isnt a pod on this already.

And Dave thanks for headlining this, thats how I got here!

I have always been drawn to the archetypal and symbolic.  I see them in so many places..from the tarot to LOTR to billboards to the porter with a king in his eyes.

I look forward to these discussions…

A bow
Gitanjali

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Greetings!

I also look forward to the oncoming discussions.  Many possibilities lay before us.

Glad you are here, Gitanjali.  The more the merrier. 

Hope you are well.

Dave.

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Hi Everyone!

Thank you for the invitation!

This will surely be an interesting pod. Dave has expanded my horizon, here at Zaadz many times now, so I am looking forward to seeing what else is going to come this way.

Looking forward to see, how this is going to play out.

Let the fun begin!


Peace and Love

Claudia

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Merry meet fellow members :)

Although I'm late reading my invitation, I'm so glad I finally did and am looking forward to further enlightenment.  <goose bumps!>

Merry part until we merry meet again.

Virtual

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Hello everyone!

I confess I know absolutely nothing -zip, zero- about archetypes.  But hopefully that won't be the case for very much longer!  It's kind of one of those buzzwords that you hear all the time.  I'm interested in knowing what archetypes really are.

Cheers!

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Hello everyone!  I love symbolism and archetypes! 

I just started a dream work group here in Tucson.  We have eight members.  Yesterday I found articles on my favorite astrology site about the personas in our charts.  While I have looked at Carolyn Myss' book Sacred Contracts, I've found it a little difficult to wade through to discover my 12 archetypes. 

Something about me that isn't in my profile is that I am a certified hypnotherapist, and I have participated in shamanic workshops.  I like alchemical hypnotherapy that addresses the inner child.  The subconscious mind is so interesting!

I look forward to our discussions.

Thanks, Dave, for the invitation!

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Thank you for the invitation Dave.  I appreciate the chance to learn more about archtypes…I always like reading what you write.

With thanks,
Helen

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Thanks for the invite Dave. Not sure about Archetypes, but always looking to develop spiritually. I am open-minded to all teachings.

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Hello to Everyone and thanks Dave and Twice Awakened.

I’m wondering and in hopes that we can use archetypes and the more thinly veiled separation of dimensions in spiritually getting our s/Selves and our world on a healthy and sustainable course. Looking forward to everyone’s input, learning much more myself, and offering whatever humble contributions or insights I can. It’s obvious to me that there are others way more versed than I.

From reading the Pod’s Intro page I’m feeling somewhat again as the infant emerging from yet another womb of some sort––in need and search of a new state of individuation––which can feel frustrating and alienating at times. I can relate to what you’ve said in the Intro statement about devouring the self in order to become yet more again, all over, of the Self. At times I’m feeling lost in that paradox you spoke of in my spiritual development––after having worked with it all my life, I now feel a new sense of vulnerability, and the parallels between the disolution of my own self with that I feel which is potentially coming upon all of us as a collective.

In making use of, and allies with, the Collective Unconscious, archetypes and other forms from these other realms I feel it is important that we maintain a close watch in an area of our evolution where some feel that it’s already too late for science, and that it is in the nature of spirituality and consciousness development, possibly non-ordinary states of consciousness, where we can affect sufficient and vital change in co-creating a healthy sustainable overall totally inclusive reality that works for All.

Thanks again to All.

Re: My reference to "Science being too late . . . ."

I was searching hard to recover just where I’d recently read that thought expressed, that it was “too late for science.” It came from a transcript someone had just sent me on “Three Lectures on Alchemy” by Terence McKenna given at Wetlands Preserve in 1998 (originally posted by David Ulansey). A very small part reflected below, along with some thoughts on experiencing and traveling the distance between (and understanding them to also be one and the same) the inner and outer states of consciousness and existence:

I wouldn’t hold a weekend like this simply to go over a body of ancient literature if I didn’t think it had some efficacy or import for the modern dilemma and some of you may know the song by the Grateful Dead in which the refrain is “I need a miracle every day.” I think any reasonable person can conclude that the redemption of the world, if it’s to be achieved, can only be achieved through magic. It’s too late for science. It’s too late for hortatory politics. [Emphasis mine]

And so well, there’s something to think on anyway. And in addressing an inclusive state of consciousness, or awareness, of inner and outer, or personal and transpersonal, or of the Collective Unconscious and other dimesions he shared:

… I remember Al Wong once said to me, we were talking about the yin yang symbol, and he said you know the interesting thing is not the yin or the yang, the interesting thing is the s shaped surface that runs between them. And that s shaped surface is a river of alchemical mercury. Now, where the alchemists saw this river of alchemical mercury is in the boundary between waking and sleeping. There is a place, not quite sleeping, not quite waking, and there flows this river of alchemical mercury where you can project the contents of the unconscious and you can read it back to yourself. This kind of thinking is confounding to scientific thought where the effort is always to fix everything to a given identity and a given set of behaviors.

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Hey there!

Thanks Doug for stirring the pot here and Dave for helping the magic begin. 
I'm interested in hearing more!

Mistress Heather

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Hey, John here,
Yes, yes, yes.  Thanks Twice Awakened (Doug) and DAVE for getting this up and running.  When I had originally talked about doing an Archetypes Blog/POD with Doug, I thought he knew so much more about it and would do a better job cultivating it here at Zaadz, and I also knew to direct him to someone like DAVE.  You're a real connector of people Dave.  So, yes, I look forward to the discussions here and will also promote it around the Zaadz community.  Now, off to look at who is not a part of this so that I can invite them.
PEACE-out folks !

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Cheers Satya-Seer.

'Tis most kind of you to say so!

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Hello all!

I’m Dryad/Edwina. I have also wondered about the lack of Pod activity on this subject (and Chakra’s …) I’m glad to see it beginning. Like all things symbolic and emblematic there are many different ways to look at this subject and different ways to perceive the information. Rather than feeling there is a right/wrong, I feel as though many various outlooks makes the subject deeper and richer for me. It is a subject that I, personally,  approach from an intuitive and metaphoric way rather than clinical or strictly scientific.

Out in Blog-land I have a poetic study titled “Dances with Archetypes.” http://danceswitharchetypes.blogspot.com/
In a poem I have written:

I am no Jungerian scholar
I comprehend his thoughts in mist and metaphor
His concepts in analogy and image
I met him in the Dreamtime, walking

That is pretty much the size of it for me. I am interested and looking forward to looking at the subject from different perspectives,  however.

Here is one Dance that is on my Blog here at zaadz http://lightdancing.zaadz.com/blog/2006/10/the_dance_of_the_archetypes

Thank you for the invitation. I look forward to more dances!

Blessings ~ Dryad
Edwina

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I just saw your introduction and really really really love your poem on the Individuation board.  I know this stuff gets real heady and yet, the artists are the ones who often express Jungs ideas in the most exciting way.  What do you think of us having an Artist's Board/Thread?  Where Jungian ideas can be expressed through poetry and images? 

All in One,

twice awakened Doug

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Well…BOO!

Good morning and Happy Halloween. Actually for a chimney sweep every day can be Halloween, if the sweep is in keeping with the tradition. Being “Jung at heart” for many years I am happy to see this pod appearing. I was drawn to the Apocalytic posting on account of my interest in Peak Oil and the peaking of many critical resources so my vision of the outer world is of the impending arrival of our four friends on horseback…

For a while I have been interested in how, with an approaching cataclysm of some sort, we might be seeing some serious dancing of Archtypes as the Mind of humanity registers and reacts to the changing of the (seemingly) neverending stream of “crises” into a full blown calamity the likes of which (combining climate change and the decline of the energy, metals, soil, etc., that keeps industrial civilization running) humanity has never seen on a planetary scale( at least not since the Age of Ice, when we were a very different group).

more in my profile, and plenty of apocalypse on my blog

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 This has been one of the Hottest PODs on Zaadz for a couple of days.  WOW!

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Hello fellow folks with archetypes - whether you want one or not you’ve got lots LOL. Thanks too for the invite. I’m a late newb.

Men’s mythopoetic work few years
Conventional doctor medicine
Neurolinguistic programming
Buddhist training
Ayahuasca wow
Christian mystic
Jungian at heart
Shaman initiate
Hypnotherapy
Lawn mower
Dog walker
Husband
Dancer
Father
Just
Aim
To
B

The lower I go the truer it gets :-)

Graeme Xrisham

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Xrisham -
Waaay cool! :-)

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Number and Archetype

After C. G. Jung had completed his work on synchronicity in “Synchronicity: An Acausal Connecting Principle,” he hazarded the conjecture, already briefly suggested in his paper, that it might be possible to take a further step into the realization of the unity of psyche and matter through research into the archetypes of the natural numbers. He even began to note down some of the mathematical characteristics of the first five integers on a slip of paper. But, about two years before his death, he handed the slip over to me with the words: “I am too old to be able to write this now, so I hand it over to you.” – Marie-Louise von Franz, from the preface of Number and Time

Hi Dave and all you fellow archetypians. I thought the above quote was an appropriate way to introduce the idea of number as archetype into the discussion. As may be inferred from the above quote, there is a connection between archetype, consciousness, and the phenomenon of synchronicity.

I won’t bother to launch into a long explanation of the work I’ve been doing for the past 10 or so years. If anyone is interested in the details it’s all presented on my website at http://hometown.aol.com/codeufo/gematria.html. It will suffice for now just to mention a few relevant points:

(1) The work is an exploration of the possibility that the English alphabet is somehow “encoded” in such a way that it might lend itself to be used in much the same manner as were the Hebrew and Greek alphabets in the ancient art of gematria. The “code” that I use in this work is simply A=1 through Z=26. We’re basically talking about alphanumerics.

(2) The number 9 plays a significant role in the work and I’ve found the number 9 to be “encoded” into most of the numbers found in the canon of “sacred” numbers throughout the various cultures. A few examples: 108, 144, 153, 234, 666. These numbers are all multiples of 9. They can be reduced to the single digit of 9 by simply adding the digits. For example: (108)1+0+8=9, or (666) 6+6+6=18, 1+8=9.

(3) I found the number 9 embedded within the structure of the alphabet. It is found by virtually folding the alphabet in half between the M and the N. Imagine the alphabet written along a strand of transparent ribbon. Now fold the ribbon in half between M and N and bring the two ends together. Now, since the ribbon is transparent you can see that we now have 13 pairs of letters. The alphanumeric sum of each pair is 27 which reduces to 9 (2+7=9).

AZ = 27, BY= 27, CX= 27, DW= 27, EV= 27, FU= 27, GT= 27, HS= 27
IR= 27, JQ= 27, KP= 27, LO= 27, MN= 27

This inclusion of the number 27 (and therefore, the root 9) within the structure of the alphabet may be an “artifact”, if you will, of the connection between our alphabet and the archetypal realm of what Jung called the Collective Unconscious or what I prefer to think of as the Universal Consciousness, or what might even be thought of as the great Cosmic Sea of All That Is.

THE BEGINNING AND THE END = 189 = NUMBER AS ARCHETYPE = UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE = ENGLISH ALPHABET CIRCLE

189 = 18 = 9

There is some nice alphanumeric synchronicity to notice here. I mentioned the idea of an “encoded” alphabet and I mentioned folding the alphabet in “half”. I also mentioned the number 27 as well as the number 13 (the number of letter pairs). The following alphanumeric synchs are pretty cool:

CODE = 27 = HALF
THIRTEEN = 99 = 19 = 9

This is just a very small example of the kind of alphanumeric synchronicity that I find intriguing. There is much more on my website. The work as a whole raises a number of questions, such as, is this merely meaningless “coincidence”? Or is it something deeper than that? Is it actual synchronicity in the Jungian sense or even in an expanded sense? And if it is, indeed, “synchronicity” (i.e., meaningful coincidence) how is it that the English alphabet happens to be able to produce this phenomenon? Is there an archetypal connection between human consciousness and the evolution of the English alphabet? And what is it with that number 9? Did the ancients know something about the secrets it holds as an archetypa symbol? Is that why the canon of sacred numbers is so chock full of numbers that are multiples of 9? I’ve speculated on some possible answers to these questions in a paper on one of my web pages called “CryptoNumerology: How and Why It Works”. (http://hometown.aol.com/codeufo/whyitworks.html). But I’d be interested in anyone else’s thoughts on the matter and/or anything related to it.

Thanks, Dave, for creating this Pod. Looking forward to everyone’s thoughts and ideas relating to any and all aspects of the concept of archetypes and symbols. We’re all here for the learning experience. So anything you know (or even think you know!) I, for one, am interested. So don’t be shy! Let it fly! :-)

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Not that you need the encouragement ;-) but you seemed like the last post… so……..

18 lines all about myself
17 Apollo on the moon
16 composite square
15 /8 is the 227th day
14 discrete biprime
13 lucky for a few
12 stations Cross
11 spacetime Ds
10% for to tithe
9-11 the day
8 is strength
7 by “Prince”
6th day man
5 nothings
4 for God
3 Fates
2 Ways
1 now
0 is
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Interesting talent you have there! Geometric poetry! :-)

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Marvelous!

Keep 'em coming!

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The numbers that fascinate me are the fibonacci numbers that occur throughout creation
even we have one head one neck two arms, five fingers - sunflower seeds swirl in fibonacci numbers, packed tight.It speaks to me of divine intelligence.

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Great suff, X … O … X

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…good stuff…my screen time is limited so sometimes I'm just the architypal fly on the wall…I'd like to see more in the numbers topic…they are about as pure architype as you can get…pi is cool and so is phi…in higher dimensions they use a base twelve system where thes numbers become rational…it's our base ten that is distorted…math is the language of the universe…

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Hi Doug,
Thanks for inviting me to this pod and reintroducing me to Jung. It's been such a long time ago when I read Jung's work. My hair was long and unruly and my guitar was my closest companion.  

That little bit of information that you offered and a quick glance at the webpages you linked to reminded me of Jung's importance and how much I have integrated. 

The description of the shadow parts is so very relevant and looking at the Self as Spirit is close to my heart: I am Spirit, You are Spirit, All is Spirit and All is Well.  So Ham: I am That!

I am hungry for more…
  

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Hey all, new to the archetypes idea, but have really been fascinated by personality test and the collective unconscious and such and was turned on to this by satya and then further by t-a doug and have had some really interesting finds.  Will be posting these ideas soon.  Cool to meet you all–really interesting stuff.
Peace

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Welcome all you archetypicians (okay, so I made up that word - who cares?).  Things seem to be going well here.  Well, let's mix it up a bit and perhaps add some more stuff to discuss.  I had mentioned to Doug and to TheMagus555 (by the way, two really great people here on Zaadz) about Archetypal Roles perhaps, and Archetypal Chakras/Chakras & Their Archetypes.  Anyone want to give it a stab … ah, you got me.  Come on.  You, you, you … archetypal CHICKENS.  There are many more possibilitites for discussions here.  Thanks for all the input. 

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Sorry, I have been a bit remiss and posted before introducing myself. Life has been very busy, here but I’ll make some time for zaadz. Interesting discussions going on, but it’s long past my bedtime..

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This would be great stuff for a discussion in the section of this Pod Archetypal Numbers and Sacred Mysteries.   Hope you'll post more and teach us.

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Maybe you could post something about the Golden Mean ratio (sacred numbers) at Sacred Numbers and Related Mysteries  part of the POD.  I'd really be interested for you to share what you know and open this discussion up for others as well.  Looking forward to your shared information.

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Hello, this is my first post on Zaads, yay!

I've been interested in Jung's work for about ten years now, though I wouldn't consider my knowledge of archetypes or the process of individuation to be much more than average. I have read Man and His Symbols and a number of excerpts from his other works, so the ideas are there (archetypes, individuation, collective unconscious, synchronicity, shadow, anima/animus, etc.) but not with much solidity let alone comprehensiveness. But, as one who journals and meditates on my dreams almost daily, it would be difficult to not notice many patterns and symbolic elements that fail to be explained by any other system. And, I've taken a considerable amount of comfort in the observation that my psyche - as my unconscious expresses it through my dreams, appears to be slowly moving along the path of individuation, at least to the extent that I understand it.

It's great to have stumbled across this pod, thanks for setting it up! I'm looking forward to reading more of everyone's posts and possibly even contributing something now and then.

To start, I have a post about UFO's as a possible new archetype, I just need to go find the appropriate catagory to put it in.

Jason

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Hi there,

I've been working as an archetypal counselor/medical intuitive for a few years now.  I come to archetypes through Caroline Myss' work Sacred Contracts.  Through study, I came to find out more about Jung and his offspring, as well as a deep involvement with mythology.  Looking forward to a great discussion.

Peace
Happy New Year
Mirit

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Hello, everyone,

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Hi everyone, I'm in Higher Education by profession (organisation and management) my work and research is taking me increasingly towards the notion of apriori archetypes in direct contrast to the dominant empricist teaching of typical 'business schools' looking to learn and develop my understanding - just picked Routledge - Jung Archetypes - fascinating!

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Hi all! I'm a teacher and during graduate school did a lot of study of Jung.  We did quite a bit of mythical criticism and I studied Jungian androgyny in Shakespeare. 

Loads of fun!

Looking forward to reading the posts here…

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Hello!

Looks like a pod with a topic I'm interested in, but it doesn't seem to be too active at the moment.  I like mythology in general and I really like archetypes.  Recently, I've been more focused on astrotheological interpretations of Christianity.

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I'm just starting my conscious spiritual journey and I love symbolism archetypes and Jung. So I'm glad to be here. I hope this group is still active, sounds l ike a great place.

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Hi Moonlit,

It doesn't seem to be active at all.  You could start a thread here and see who responds, or you could join some more active pods.  I'm a member of the God Pod which is fairly active and it has many interesting discussions.  You could start a thread there about symbolism, archetypes and Jung.

Blessings,
Marmalade