A new archetype - the alien and/or UFO?

Lately - for the last two years or so, I've been dreaming often of alien beings and their space crafts. I've discovered many discussions on-line involving this subject, including a few that propose the introduction of a new archetype - the alien and/or UFO. It's fascinating to consider it in the context of the collective unconscious as a larger evolving entity: has the archetype of the alien “surfaced” in response to a need for a symbolic expression of our fractured condition as a society - where we have collectively become alienated (npi) from aspects of ourselves as a result of the industrial revolution and technology?

More recently, the dreams have taken on a new motif. I find that I am being held captive in various places by benevolent alien beings. They are teaching me to paint and create music, both of which I keep as hobbies in waking life. The meaning of these “lessons” is deepened when I discover that what they are teaching me is the ability to psychically communicate with the viewer or listener of the piece. I am learning to consciously embed energy and intent into the song or the painting.

Whether the alien represents a larger archetypal condition or a more individual one, or both, I think it is fascinating to consider the possibility that the higher self is being integrated into our minds through art and other creative processes.

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Can't say that I've experienced anything like this, and yet, I can say that many of us have.  What do I mean?  Well, first baring that you actually have been abducted by aliens, and taking a Jungian approach to your dreams, really you could be experiencing the archetypes of Angel, Shadow and Muse. 

Taking the “most Jungian” archetype of the three, the Shadow.  The Shadow is projected onto anything that is alien or strange.  The Shadow is actually a part of ourselves.  However, there does not seem to be anything menacing or strange about the aliens in your dreams, and you seem comfortable with them, I guess, so Shadow is unlikely. 

In the words of Sheryl Crow, “Maybe angels,” when referencing area 54.  It has been argued that the Godly Celestial Beings, i.e., angels, of ancient history, were actually aliens.  So, there is a melding of these images, one from a religious orientation and another from a scientific or sci fi orientation.  Aliens are just modern techno oriented angels. 

The images we “see” in our dreams are not ”the archetypes” but rather symbolic representations of archetypes that can take many forms.  Hence, whether “Angel” or “Alien,” they are Helpful Celestial Beings,  aka Beings of Light.  Certainly the beings in your dream seem benevolent.  Which brings us to the other archetype I mentioned, the Muse.  They are clearly helping you with your creativity, but with the added “energy” communication, indicating a spiritual type of creative help. 

I am not convinced that you are not communicating with angels in your dreams. 


Sleep tight

All in One,

Awakened Doug

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Thanks for your thoughts on this, Doug. I can see how you may be correct, in that the aliens, as they have appeared in my dreams,  don't necessarily represent their own archetypal symbol, but rather one or more of those you mentioned. I'm wondering if Jung's concept of archetypes leaves any room for “new” ones - or if he saw the very nature of archetypes to be not only universal but also somewhat permanent. I have had many other dreams involving aliens, but their appearance is different in each motif, which would seem to support the theory that they are indeed just symbolic of something deeper, perhaps the Shadow, Angel, or Muse, as you said.

The thing that I am constantly reminded of, though, is that these dreams involve such an indescribably powerful sense of presence - centered on the aliens themselves, that I often wake up feeling like they are still in the room with me. It used to scare me at first, but I've gotten used to it. It's also worth noting that most of the dreams I have that involve such a feeling of presence, regardless of their appearance or the context they appear in, do involve images and symbols that are obviously archetypal. Maybe this feeling of presence is indicative of the energetic relationship between our Self and self - as it has been described. I think this alone is worth some further attention - on my part at least.

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I think this is fascinating Iason––actually being tutored or mentored in your creativity by Spirit in whichever mode this occurs––learning to embed energy in your work. This is the very thing I’ve been working on in my recent paintings. For me, I’m currently working with acrylic on canvas and board––but over many years I’ve seen how the intention of Spirit with which we approach and produce “our work” can have an effect on its “viewers” or receivers.

This entire concept brings us directly into the vortex of work, art and writings of New York artist, Alex Grey.

While the more recent focus of my work in fine art relates to a deeper palette of Spiritually intentioned themes, I can see in looking back over the last 15 and even 30 years of my involvement with art (as a graphic designer first, and then as an artist involved with interior design treatments and installations) that when I was at “work,” the people for whom I worked experienced a shift. I looked at every project as an opportunity for not only artistic change, but for energetic transformation as well. People would not necessarily consciously, or directly, communicate what we’re talking about here, but I can see how either their project or their environmental space was influencing their lives in bigger ways than the physical project alone. Their spaces felt transformed energetically to me.

In regard to archetypes and our work with supraconsciousness intentions––trying to bring the implicit together with the explicit, I’m taking a little excursion here to share something which is related to our overall topic of archetypal work. Oddly enough I guess it also deals potentially with extraterrestrial life as you will see….

I wrote an article in 1988, published in an astrological magazine, Welcome to Planet Earth in 1989, inspired by and discussing a “million-billion volt galactic beam” (quoted as being a thousand times stronger than could be produced on Earth) which scientists at Los Alamos, NM had discovered being beamed to us from a particular point in space in the constellation Sagittarius (which I found buried in the back pages of our Denver newspaper in a one paragraph miniscule notation––talk about “what the media should be covering!” from another Pod here at Zaadz). The article dealt with what I proposed the essence of this energetic communion might mean, when the our Sun conjoined paths with this point in the midst of Sagittarius at 15º15’ (the galactic heart center zeroing in at 27º Sag.) through a combination of astrology, mythology (involving the story of Chiron, Zeus, Hercules, Prometheus, the Hydra and more), and Sabian Symbols (among other references)––it dealt with deep healing, and suggested (due to many inter-related concepts in the article) that particular changes involving issues with our shadow (individually and collectively) and healing from the depths might occur when our Sun crossed paths with this point. In retrospect of writing the article, I’ve since believed “I was way out there.”

On that day however (after I’d written and submitted my article to Planet Earth, but prior to its being published a couple months later) Russia experienced a serious (7.5 - 8.5) earthquake in the Caucacus Mountains (the earthquake having hit in the area now known as the Republic of Armenia) right when the Sun and this (as I named it) Herculean Beam (as the beam originated from the constellation Hercules) were positioned directly overhead in conjunction in the midday Armenian sky (11:41 local Armenian time). Interestingly enough, in mythology, Prometheus was forced by Zeus to where a ring upon his release from his enchainment to a pillar high in the Caucacus Mountains where a vulture tore at his heart daily––the ring was to be fashioned out of the chains he formerly wore with a cacausian stone setting in order to still appear as a prisoner. Chiron agreed to take Prometheus’ place in Hades in trade at the time as he was eternally wounded and in pain anyway. The article dealt with our pains, deep healing, our shadow and release. An interesting outcome of the earthquake was that for the first time, Russia opened its doors to allow foreign aid for its victims. The final death toll from the earthquake was 24,817 people. 514,000 people were officially pronounced homeless. 300 tons of food were arriving in Armenia every day. Mother Theresa sent nurses to help. 77,767 Soviet firms donated 141 million rubles. The son (George W.) and grandson of then president George Bush visited bringing 40 tons of aid with them. All of this was prior to the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

Of course, whoever knows––but that was sobering for me.

I found an interesting quote from Pinchbeck’s 2012, that relates to all this, where he shares a thought of Edward Edinger’s on archetypal transmission or routing, along with some of his own in regard to his non-ordinary communiques:

“The archetypes themselves cannot evolve into full consciousness without being routed through a mortal ego to bring that consciousness into realization,” Edinger wrote. If an archetypal god-form had chosen to route itself through my personal circuitry, I was not happy about it at all. I felt like a small squeaky mouse caught in a huge cosmic beak. I wished I could return to the dank comforts of my private hole, abandoning any quest for higher knowledge. It was clear to me that the universe had made ann unfathomable clerical error––surely there were more exalted souls waiting around somewhere who could give this situation the attention it deserved? I did not want to be part of Quetzalcoatl’s dialectic, a bit player in his cosmic saga. I was not cut out for the role.

Back to the concept of embedding Spirit in our art. I’ve been working on a larger painting for about a year now which involves Tibetan monks pushing a very large prayer wheel around––my painting being trans-dimensional in essence with a number of “embedded” intentions, symbolism and layers, dealing with the physical plane, as well as the hidden, archetypes, collective consciousness and the noosphere. Upon coming back to it after having taken a break for some time (as it’s a rather involved piece) and devoting my compassionate, good willed and healing intentions for our world in my process, low and behold, I read about the on-going horrific treatment which the Tibetan monks were receiving in Burma. (See We Are Compassionate. Why are You Killing Us? by Paul Levy on Pinchbeck’s RealitySandwich website at: http://www.realitysandwich.com/node/569 .)

Albeit, again, who knows for sure––we can only know what we’re witnessing or experiencing in our own consciousness (for now anyway), but I’m working on my contribution to the integral consciousness…our birthing noosphere, as I can and in my own unique way. Validation comes in many forms and can be very direct as well as very subtle. I certainly find it supportive, however, to see beneficial attentions given, and compassionate changes being made, involving issues and people with whom I’ve attempted to involve myself with creatively through this form of Spiritual connectivity.

Regarding the alien question: I’ve had dreams of alien contact throughout most of my life––however less (that I’m aware of) in recent years. I’ve encountered a number of different takes on what or whom they might be as most of us may well have. I’m interested in finding ways of bringing more depth and breadth, a richer experience, from these other dimensions of non-ordinary consciousness––albeit they come from archetypes, other beings, friends, deeper parts of myself or directly from what we call Spirit. And to find a way of using this experience, which satisfies my soul, in the sharing of my creativity and finding a way to become a positive influence in our world––this would be rewarding.

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Thanks for sharing such a broad picture of your thoughts on this, Tony. It's evident that you've put a lot more thought into this subject, at least on the level you've described here, than I have. Something from the bit you quoted from Pinchbeck struck an interest in me:

“The archetypes themselves cannot evolve into full consciousness without being routed through a mortal ego to bring that consciousness into realization,” Edinger wrote. If an archetypal god-form had chosen to route itself through my personal circuitry, I was not happy about it at all.

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Just a quick note for now that I wanted to share. I took my daughter (who was 10 at the time) to a “gong bath” (some of you may know what this is). A trained musician-shaman sort plays a fairly good sized gong –– in our case it was an “Earth gong” manufactured by the Paiste Cymbal Company and then “tuned” by hand with hand hammering and possibly other methods to fashion it to reflect the tonal frequencies of what they've determined the Earth to resonate at. I can't recall (and it seemed I found conflicting or divergent information on this when I tried to dig deeper) exactly in what manner “they” determined just what our “frequency” was –– from one source I think they said it was the light frequency emitted by or earth (but then, do we actually emit “light?”). I apologize for not having this aspect nailed down here –– but the intention was that Paiste and those in China or Turkey who finished fashioning or tempering the cymbals (also using intuitive skills as well as I recall) create a variety of these cymbals for most all, if not all, of our solar system's planetary bodies. The event we went to utilized a gong, played by Richard Rudis, with the vibratory frequency of the Earth as it was felt to be naturally healing for us who dwell upon her. People attending the “gong bath” lay in a large room on mats while the “artist” creates a ceremonial sequence of intonations with mallets and other instruments for an hour or more –– most of the hour consisting of a constant rhythmic pulsation of the deep rich base note of the gong by subtle constant striking, becoming louder and softer as intuitively played by the gong artist. Layers of sounds upon sounds begin to be audible like light refracting through a lens or prism.

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I've had dreams of aliens in the past as well.  Didn't Carl Jung have something to say about this dream image, in one of his writings?  Something is 'plucking' my brain about it…

When I did dream about aliens, it was during a time of transition.  They landed in the back yard of the place where I grew up, and one knocked at the kitchen door…Another time, within in a couple of years, I was standing by a river, and watched as a space ship turned into a huge circular saw blade, and sliced the river in half, making two rivers…I later divorced.

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Follow-up to Agent Fox Moulder's Poster Above

Here are a few photos of what Whitely Strieber (author of Communioin and other “encounter” books) had linked to his own site, UnknownCountry.com. I cannot vouch for the authenticity of these photos, but they look authentic and pretty clear. I have larger files of them and the detail is incredible. (I’m sorry these posted here are in a smaller format.) I found them linked from Whitley’s Journal page:

http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=288

There are two different text links in his journal page which will take you to other sites where these photos and stories are found.

These were reportedly taken in Birmingham, Alabama in April 2007. Check out the insignias on the underside of the craft in the close-up. These look reminiscent of ones I’ve seen in “UFO” dreams. Again––I cannot vouch for these photos, but felt them worthy to share at least.

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Those look like really well done models…Very cool but why are they always at the edge of a tree?

Man, I really want to believe in UFO's (really)

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I noticed on the Big Basin, CA shots at the linked site, you can click on the fairly good sized photo and it will open up in another window at a much larger size again. Let’s see how this larger (and cropped for this blog thread’s reduction) comes out. It’s not at the edge of a tree––but then really, that doesn’t really prove or discredited it either way.

Nope––I see while I’m able to edit my post that Zaadz shrunk it down in scale. Sorry.

More on the UFO Drones

Apologies and correction: It is Whitley Stieber (not Whitely), from above posting.

I tried to crop in on the insignias so that they would be more intelligible here.

And here’s a shot from Big Basin, CA (outside of Saratogo, CA) of yet another craft which Whitley refers to also as a “drone,” taken in June 2007.

Interesting stuff….

Continuation on the UFO Photos & Links

Sorry––I tried to get these all into one or at least two postings. Here’s one of that last “craft” in context with some landscape. These people encountered these out on a hike.

You can view the larger format shots if you’re interested by visiting:

Whitley’s Journal: http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=288
(Whitley’s Journal page has some of the story and the text links to the actual photos which are found on the sites below.)

Birmingham, AL drone: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2022.html?theme=light

Big Basin, CA drone: http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigbasin.html

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If the drones aren't real someone should make one. They look cool.

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for the record: my dreams always involve semi-demonic people that don't look like aliens. There's something up with my subtle energies (for real). I'm working on it.

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That does sound more like Shadow.  Or are you flirtin' with demons?

All in One Love, TWICE for this topic,

Awakened Doug

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Thanks for your thoughts everyone. I'm happy to know we all find this stuff interesting. It's past my bedtime *sigh* and so, unfortunately, I must touch and go. I'm looking forward to responding to a few things you've posted A.S.A.P. - the gears are definitely turning…

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The UFO archetype has to be some kind of updated version of demons and angels. Otherworldly visitors who bring bane or boon to an individual for mysterious purposes. In the modern scientific age we can't believe demons come from the core of the earth (they'd be all melted down there) and we can't stomach that angels fly through space (they couldn't breath and would freeze to death) so they need to come in ships.

I think someone else mentioned this below…

now that being said I do think that there is extra-terrestrial life-is it sentient like us or maybe even super sentient? I dunno…

why would it be hiding. Lots of scientists point out that we should have seen some kind of radio waves or energies of some sort beaming off of a planet that grew civilization like ours ( the assumption is that since we'd be using the same laws of physics that the progression of technology would be similar) and that hasn't happened to the public's knowledge yet. Maybe the government knows something we don't.

What about this global consciousness archetype that's coming about- I don't think that's ever happened before…I love the painting of the Earth with an opening eye by Alex Grey.

I think that's a brand new archetyped being born in our era…

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Tom, you stated:

Lots of scientists point out that we should have seen some kind of radio waves or energies of some sort beaming off of a planet that grew civilization like ours ( the assumption is that since we'd be using the same laws of physics that the progression of technology would be similar) and that hasn't happened to the public's knowledge yet. Maybe the government knows something we don't.

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I did read that and it sounds cool. I think what I've read from scientists and what not was more along the line that if an alien civilization had technology like ours they would have a continuous stream of radio waves emanating from their planet. IE if you were in a spacecraft 1,000,000 miles away from earth you would hear ungodly amounts of radio, micro wave (maybe not at that distance?) and other waves created in unnatural amounts by technology.

Hey, don't get me wrong. I want to believe!

It may be that the other highly sentient life forms live on a different wavelength. Any one here should be open to that possiblity or the possiblity that they left our regular physical types of life a long time ago. Maybe they visit from other universes.

I don't think aliens are archetypes. I think that they popular culture and psychological use of the alien as an abductor or benefactor is an update of the “witch” or “angel” archetype of older days.

It's like the “other” archetype which changes through time. At one time it was “the tribe over there with blue paint on their nipples”, then it became the “barbarians at the gate” then the “nazis” etc…

Not dimissing extraterrestrial life or the super beam event.

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I've just read through the entire discussion so please forgive me if I generalize a bit. 

It looks like there are a few questions here.

1.  Is there a possibility of new archetypes?
2. Is the alien and/or UFO an archetype?
3.  What is the nature of the alien archetype?
4. Are Aliens & UFO's real?

I will address the last question 1st. 

I personally believe that we are not alone, however for the sake of this discussion we are looking at archetypes and not reality.  It is possible that the some of gods mentioned in greek mythology and other mythologies were based on real people.  However when speaking archetypes “reality” is not our concern.

So back to the first question.

1.  Is there a possibility of new archetypes?
It is my belief that archetypes evolve, are born and die.  Archetypes are born from evolution, advances in our technology and changes in our language which reflet these changes.

Even though Jung spoke of Universal archetypes his language should be changed to greater and lesser archetypes.  So The Great Mother is a Greater archetype as we ALL experience this archetype from the moment we are born.  However the sage archetype may be a less “universal” archetype as it may not be completely experienced by all people from day 1.  There are very young archetypes such as “Geek”  which was unknown until computers came around.  The Geek has been spreading throughout the world as the internet spreads. 

2. Is the alien and/or UFO an archetype?
As far as aliens and UFOs are concerned, they very old archetypes.  Many aboriginal legends speak of them and relate to them as such.  In the southwest there are renditions of them in petroglyphs.  Again, I want to emphasis that this is not a question of aliens visiting native peoples but the relationship humans have with the archetype.

Aliens came to the western consciousness with the movie “The Day the Earth Stood Still” and exploded again in the '70's with “Alien”.  So for us here in the west with the archetype seems new but it is not. 

3.  What is the nature of the alien archetype?
This is what is most interesting.  From the day we humans could differentiate ourselves from others we had a feeling that we are separate and alone.  We looked up at the sky and saw that it was vast.  Aliens or beings from another place fit the answer and depending on whether we saw the universe as benevolent or aggressive we placed different faces and roles on the alien.  This is a great one for exploration because the alien archetype has so many faces it displays the shadow and the light.  So if the alien shows up in our dream what does it symbolize and how do we relate to something that is so foreign to us or maybe its not foreign at all but a different aspect of what we feel is our own alienation.

Peace
mirit