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  Azaghal : It's time to get wise!

The Secret and a problem about it

Azaghal said Jan 6, 2008, 4:40 AM:

 

Hi there! This is my first post and I wanted to discuss something with you tahat bothered me.

Well I am a true believer on human mind but watching these two documantries makes me wonder some things.

It is true that we can change our addictions.Science and real human experince showed us that we can change this.People healing wthout kemothreapy and going “cold turkey” -if yo will- with only the power of mind has great examples.

But these are things changing  in OURSELVES with OUR mind and brain.

I think What the Bleep really focuses on human mind reordering but The Secret focuses on more material things like money or wealth.

Lets say you always wanted a Ford Mustang - who did not :) - , it is true  and I believe that if a person puts his mind on it, and acts -that's the most important thing- for it, like saving money,checking out places for a good price not just visualising the car you are driving in the end this people working too hard for it in some time he will get it.

It is also acceptable for money and love, the most important  thing here not just visualising but acting and if you ask me I will say it has an importance like 90% acting,%10 visualising.

They are all concepts which can happen and they are in somewhat small scale.But when it comes world change I found a problem.

We must remember it is an material world,I know we are trying to change it but knowing it is the first step to change it by asking the question why it is like that.

With questioning the status quo we start to realize the powers which made it powerful.As an example

The emperalist money based companies rule the world Why?
        because there is no another choice for some of them for now Why
             because good people always acts late Why
                  because they believe in people's mind and ability and so on.

The Secret says we must not focus on the problem and THE solution for itself and but A  solution and how to make this solution better.

Hale Dwoskin says “If you are against war be pro peace. If you are against hunger be pro people having more than enough to eat. If you are against a particular politician be pro his opponent.”

But  I would say
-There is no one place and one reason.There are hundreds of different wars becouse of millions different reasons.Focus on the reasons and try to solve all of them be pro peace but be aginst the reason.

-If they have enough to eat it is not hunger.What will a place which real hunger strike if we only focus on enough fed people.
              
              -Is it a Social Darwinist idea? Does it say if they are in total hunger let them die
               so the others survive?
              
               -And by the way Does it say just think about yourself and wish for yourself, if the
                others didn't wish for it it is their problem because it says :
              “You are not here to change the world as you like to be.You are here the create the
                world around you that you choose.While you would allow the world others choose
                to be to exist also.” Wow it really sounded like an egocentric leave them as they are
                 they deserve it talk, to me isn't it? I hope not.

-In politics you must have a view.Because it is the poltics that define every aspect of our lifes.It is the idea that you look from, to the world. The Secret,What the Bleep are just tools for it.I don't say pick a idea,you can have a unified different view.But,The Secret says work for AN opponent not for THE opponent.We must work for the idea that our society most needs which they lack and we must work for it.

I hope I could work some of your neurocells to make new  bindings :)  And I am open to all kinds of ideas so bring it on! :b

                                                                                                                                 It's time to get wise                                                                                                                                                 G.G

 

Re: The Secret and a problem about it

Shannon said Feb 22, 2008, 9:25 PM:

 

I agree with Azaghal is saying and have quite a few other flaws in belief in the “secret”.

1. It blames the victim for random occurences such as being born with a terminal disease
2. It implies that bad things happen to good people because they are subconciously thinking about them.
3. It believes the universe to be a concious being that understands human language, but has a problem with grammer and ignores negatives such as not and no.
4. It tells people that things are effortless, which will ultimately create delusional beliefs of the world
5. it tells people to ignore sick and neative friends in case some of those thoughts or feelings “rub off” on us
6. It fails to address questions such as:
    a. If people can heal themselves, why has an amputee never grown an appendage?
    b. If Muslim extremsits devote their entire lives to thoughts of destroying America, why has
          it not happened?
    c. Since millions of people play the lottery and wish and hope, and even plan out what to do
          with winnings, why aren't there more winners on each drawing?
    d. Why are negative and generally bad people rewarded and have strokes of luck?
    e. If humans can heal themselves by good thoughts is immortality possible?
    f. what do you do if you need to heal a part of the body that has had plastic surgery and is             technically not an organic peice of you?
    g. If you ask for a lot of money will this law cause bad things to happen to others for you to                 recieve it, such as gaining an inheritence?   
    h. If a positive thought is so much more powerful than a negative one why is the universe             set off so easily by the subconcious bad thoughts of generally good people, instead of                 acting on their actual wishes?
   i. If the LOA works, why did Anne Frank suffer so much? She is the most positive person I have ever heard of. After everything she saw the Nazis do, she couls still say people a still generally good!?

I  could go on, but I'll just sum things up by saying the Secret is nothing more than a brilliant idea to make Rhonda Byrne a lot of money and create various delusions and misconceptions about the ups and downs of life.