Compassion is the Key to Spiritualizing and to Magic !

Compassion is all we need!
That's right - start with compassion, and all needs are satisfied, all healing is accomplished, all spiritual quests are fulfilled, and even our entire planet will be saved!

Compassion is all-includsive, all-healing, and all-powerful.
The word we most often use in religion is Love, however, this word is far too limiting for what the ancient mystics had intended when they were announcing the key to freedom, to healing, and to enlightenment.
Compassion is the concept they were telling us about, and still tell us about.

Compassion embraces all. All beings. All places. All things.
Anything short of embracing the All is counter to the Light, to healing, and to enlightenment.

The soul hungers for joining with the All of Creation.
The soul understands that all other animals feel, hope, dream, and love, and that we are the same - absolutely the same.
Even if it were not so, all beings deserve kindness and only kindness, nurturing, mercy, and love.
We all know this. Our souls feel it very keenly.

To align the parts of our selves is the mission of  our lives, and only by honestly facing what we are doing and by pleasing the soul's search for harmony in the universe - for Compassion - does enlightenment take place.

The opening of the soul is the fabled Enlightenment we all seek, and it takes place only when we are living with Compassion by every meal, by everything we wear or own or do.

“By our works, we are known.”
words are wonderful, intentions are awesome, but only by our acts are we doing what we were born to do - which is to advance Compassion.
The result of our actions - our works - the cause of what we've done, the consequences, are how we are known.

Thinkk about that.
When you last ate, what were the consequences?
Had you caused the suffering, abuse, extreme cruelty and horrible death to a fellow being?
To an utterly innocent, guildless, loving, gentle being?
One who is like an autistic or a retarded person? A slow person? An infirm or very young or very old person? A helpless being?
Don't you think of yourself as having mercy on those less able than yourself?
On those who cannot speak up for themselves? Who cannot fend for themselves?

Isn't mercy the foremost concept of all religions, of all the highest ideas mankind has ever known?

And how many of us have practiced mercy with our meals?
Precious few.

If you want to achieve the balancing of the selves, the alignment with spirit, the blossoming and opening of your soul, and the effortless manifestation of your good intentions, then Veganize.

To Veganize IS to be Spiritual.
Only through Compassion is spirituality accomplished.

Listen to your soul.
We are all One.
Us, and “the very least of them”, the innocent fellow animals of our world.

Live in Compassion. Be Compassion.
And then “all things will be added unto you.”
As promised by the One who most identified Himself with All Other Animals.

And yes,  He was a Vegan. An Essence is a mystical, holy man, one who is ascetic and completely compassionate.

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Jesus was not a Vegan.

Luke 24:

 ”0When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42”hey gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43and he took it and ate it in their presence.

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Jesus Was a Vegan

I had thought most people had understood that the translations of the New Testament, as well as the older books of the Hebraic Bible, had undergone many, many translations.
The word that was mis-translated from the original Aramaic for “wheat-cake” as “fish”, is one of those errors that has had many repurcussions.
Jesus was an Essene.
Essenes were holy men, ascetics, who did not partake of flesh foods or of cruelty.
Jesus was a vegan.

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In fact, since Jesus was God personified, made flesh, do you know which gods indulge in cruelty, blood, murdered food? Not the compassionate variety - the demons, the ones of the left-hand path, the dark path gods.
From this fact alone, since Jesus personified Compassion, we know that He would never have either condoned or consumed any cruelty foods.

It must sadden HIm tremendously to know how twisted His words have becmoe to many, and how even His compassion has been used to excuse cruelty to the innocent animals He chose to be associated with in life.

Jesus was Vegan.
Jesus WAS Compassoin Incarnate.

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Can you cite your source for the alleged mistranslation?

I found an interlinear Aramaic/English New Testament:

http://www.peshitta.org/

I can't read the Aramaic, but the English is “fish”.  No mention of wheat-cakes.

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Unfortunately, I see the cruelty excusers have been hard at work on the internet - attempting, as usual, to thwart the intent of Jesus and to twist HIs words into what they want - an endorsement of cruelty and of stoking their own appetites.
The mis-translations of the mis-translations are abundant!
I'll find some documentation and post it, since it's buried under the apologists' excuses for now.
Doesn't it make sense to you - beyoond semantics and old texts - to consider this in the meantime:
What does Christianity stand for - the same bloody rituals that, for instance, the Mayan religions did?
Would you truly follow a god who espoused cruelty to absolutely innocent beings?
Isn't that where Jesus, who was spotless, was different?

By the way, are you a Christian?
I am.

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lso, on this subject, let's break it down.

The grain-cakes I”m referring to contained seaweed, and the similar Greek names for “fish” and those “fish weed cakes” , since seaweed meant “fish weed” to them, is obviousl
(Dried fishweed remains a popular food among Jewish and Arabic-speakers of the same region today, and would have been a natural component of a meal with bread at that time.)

Remember Jesus spoke in Aramaic, and the traditions were committed to memory among His earliest followers, then, generations later, in Greek and Hebrew, the stories were written, then, the earliest versions we have are Greek translations from the fourth century - three hundred years after His life on Earth, many, many transcriptions later.
None of the Gospel writers ever had met Jesus, and the early organized Church started having meetings and decided to interject certain things in order to heal scisms, to assuage appetites, and to grow in power.

Also, the Greek, during the translations' journies, had added the acronym for “Jesus Christ Son of God Savior”, which was ixous,  (“fish”)and that is one of the reasons we have the word for “fish” appearing so often in early Chritianity. There are many others for why Christ personally was symbolized as a fish, including the ancient associations with Compassion, the alled nature of the Godhead, and so on.

Certain themes, despite the many translations, have remained the same.
The character and Message (which Jesus said was paramount - not HImself, but His Message - which was Compassion - the more trivial use is the almost meaningless word, love .
Just in case His Message was not understood, He'd made sure to appear with other animals on many occasions, including deciding to be born among the most humble of other animals as part of His own family.

Why would anyone debate the fact that Jesus, who stood for Compassion, would ever either eat cruelly-obtained food or would condone it in any way?
Maybe the meat industry would, or those who like cruelty, or those who truly have a vested interest in upholding cruelty for some reason, or maybe those who feel guilt over what they've consumed in the past.

Do you believe that Jesus, even if, like some Buddhist sects, had, in the interest of survival of humans during certain periods or in places (not like the MIddle East, where food was always plentiful - and where many Jewish sects were always vegetarian ), like Tibet, for instance, where traditionally only herding was available and transport of farming produce was often impossible, they had to make survival allowances for cruelty foods, and so they caused their religions to reflect this need (now, though, the Dalai Lama has declared not to cause cruelty to other animals, since it is no longer necessary) - do you believe that, even though conditions might have demanded this bloody murder then, how could you think that Jesus would condone the horrors and tortures of roday's factory farms?

Would you actually worship a god who would allow cruelty on this scale for any reason?
Now we have access to compasionate food almost universally, and not only that - we all bear the burden of paying for all the diseases that eating flesh foods are causing even children of today!

Why are we argugin these things? Only because people either feel their livelihood is threatened, or they feel guilty for having done cruelties in the past, feeling that if they admit that cruelty is anti-Christian, then they think they've been bad all their lives - well, “Go and sin no more!”
We have no reason today for cruelty to be inflicted on animals.
We know that cruelty foods hurt humans.
We know that in the old days, animals raised for food were treated well, transported well, and humanely killed.
Now, we know that the horrors and terrors of the factory farm system has created more evil than the world has ever known for billions of animals who are all sentient, intelligent, feeling just as you or I do, and even kind - completely innocent beings.

I would not worship any god who supported such cruelty.
Why are you attempting to drag Jesus down to the level of a demon who'd condone cruelty to innocent beings?

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I’m not going to venture an opinion one way or the other on this one, but a thought that comes to mind:

Jesus did work closely with fishermen (as a teacher). There is nothing in the record (that I know of) that he ever took Peter, James, John, et. al. to task for their involvement in fishing as means of livlihood. In fact, after his crucifixion, some of the disciples returned to their fishing nets… at least for a while.

Just an observation.

Rick

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Yes, and He pulled them away and asked them to become “fishers of men”, instead.
Whatever they did after He was gone from their company was up to them - that they did not follow HIs example is their own choice, even though He asked everyone to know what sin is and then to “sin no more”.
It's so obvious what kindness is and what cruelty is that I'm not sure why you two want so hard to make Him as cruel as others choose to be.
Isn't the only reason either to attempt to besmirch Jesus, to condone your own cruelty and that of others, or to heckle those who wish to follow HIs example and to be Compassionate?

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Ocean… Please don't misunderstand me. I am certainly not trying to heckle, or to besmirch Jesus' compassion for all creatures. I believe strongly in God's compassion for the beasts of the earth, and there are scads of scriptural passages underscoring this. In fact, as I read the Christmas nativity story, it was to the oxen, sheep, and whatever other beast was present at the manger, that the newly incarnated Christ appeared – before all others.

I was just pointing out that some of his followers DID go back to their fishing for a brief while. And yes, they were, eventually, sent out to become fishers of men, so it's reasonable to assume they never returned after that to their old occupation. How Jesus felt about what they did for a living when he found them just isn' in the record we have.

Whether he ate a fish or a wheat-cake… well, I have no way of knowing. That's why I said I was not taking a position one way or the other.

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Ocean said:

Why would anyone debate the fact that Jesus, who stood for Compassion, would ever either eat cruelly-obtained food or would condone it in any way?

Well, let's see, because the Bible says so?  It's right there in black and white.

Let's keep the discussion at a scholarly level, if we can.  I'm not advocating cruelty, or attacking anyone's religion.  I was under the impression that Jesus ate a piece of fish.  I've cited two sources: a modern translation of the Bible, and a direct translation of the original Aramaic (as opposed to an English translation of a Latin translation of a Greek translation of the Aramaic).

If you can cite a scholarly source for the alleged mistranslation, please do so.  I couldn't find one with Google, but maybe you have better sources. 

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As I had pointed out earlier, there is no “original Aramaic text” - it was in an oral tradition for generations after Christ had left.
Then, from oral traditions, Hebrew and Greek texts had emerged.
from there, other Greek sources, additions, and so on, and then Latin ones, including councils that added and changed even more ideas from the orignal, some by accident, probably, and others to the purpose of furthering the organized Church.
I explained the word for “fish” and for “fishweed”, the original food, the tradition, and so on.
I explained that I would find scholarly items too, and that then I would post these - that the ones so intent on allying Jesus with cruelty have, as usual, been busy at making the Christ into a killer or a condoner of killing.

I have also cut to the chase.
We know that intellectuality is the tool of those who wish to chisel away at Faith.
Many religions are set into so-called “factual” evidenctial arguments, and yet Christianty is a soul-based and at times, an ecstatic-based relgion, meaning it offers a faith-based path to salvation and enlightenment, and alignment with the Holy Spirit.

To know the character of Jesus as a personal Saviour is the key to many Christians' experience in Christ.

i ask you again - are you a Christian? What is your vested interest in vilifying the character and message of Christ?
Are you a literalist?
Are you someone who wishes merely to have more ammunition for your own appetities?

The character of Christ Himself explains His nature as complete Compassion.
There is your proof, whether you or I line up hundreds of so-called “experts” or not on old texts.

Let's focus on the underlying reason for you wanting to vilify Jesus first.
Why won't you answer the questions?

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i ask you again - are you a Christian?

No.  And I must confess, I ate a piece of broiled fish a few days ago. 

What is your vested interest in vilifying the character and message of Christ?

I'm simply trying to clarify Jesus' message, vegan or not.  “Vilifying” is your word, not mine.  Really now, I quote Luke and I'm vilifying Jesus?  Whew!  I'd better stay away from Revelations!

Are you a literalist?

No.  I have no problem with the New Testament containing factual errors or having been mistranslated.  There are plenty of factual errors in Genesis.

The character of Christ Himself explains His nature as complete Compassion.
There is your proof, whether you or I line up hundreds of so-called “experts” or not on old texts.

So now Luke is a “so-called expert”, and the Gospels are “old texts”?  What do you consider authoritative?

I don't see what the problem is, anyway.  If Jesus ate a piece of broiled fish, that just means that vegans are even more compassionate than Jesus.  That's a bad thing?

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It would mean, first, that Jesus was not perfect or God, if He had condoned cruelty in any form for any reason.

As I had explained, the Gospel authors never met Jesus, and they were translated over and over again, with the word for “fishweed” (seaweed, a common food there then and now) and for “fish” being confusd.

The person of Jesus, His character, is the whole point - and He said that the Message, which is Compassion - was what He had incarnated to give.

Compassoin is the point of all great religions, and the point most often deliberately overlooked, twisted, or ignored, since most want from religion only an excuse and sanction for stoking their own appetites, whether they're good or not.

At least, people should be standing up and saying, as you did, that they did something that is inherently wrong - that they decided to knowing it was wrong and cruel - and not to attempt to hide behind the robes of the truly compassionate Jesus while they do it.

Once people decide to be honest and to admit that killing an utterly innocent being is wrong, and when they learn that it is no longer necessary since there are many compassionate food choices for everyone, then they can make better choices that will also heal their own bodies and our planet and will allow them to truly be spiritual.

It all starts with recognizing that hurting the helpless and innocent beings are wrong, and being honest can then move our species forward, whether from a compassionate standpoint or from a health issue or merely in order to save our planet, to be vegan is the way to accomplish all those good things - and to express complete Compassoin.