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    <title>Gaia: feminine and masculine faces of the divine - Feminine and Masculine Faces of the Divine - Masculine spirituality book</title>
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    <pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:06:23 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Masculine spirituality book</title>
      <author>http://unity1.gaia.com</author>
      <dc:creator>unity1</dc:creator>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:06:23 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      ha ha - what an interesting book or was it review - I agree totally - I have read a bit of DD and it always made me feel uncomfortable after a while and I couldn&amp;#39;t put my finger on it at first - and Wilbur - have never wanted to read anything of his - trust my intuition enough&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;interesting there is NO feminine face of divinity in any real way in any worlds religions - by that I mean no MOTHER To the father - so in terms of what feminine divinity would look like we have to go outside of that framework - outside of the characteristics subscribed to us &amp;nbsp;women by men who defined them&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;conversely - since all the divine icons of religions in the world are male then trying to find a masculine sense of divinity that is NOT tainted with such patriarchal dogma may be challenging&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;thus - perhaps its about redefining divinity !!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Interestingly I didn&amp;#39;t know I was going to say that until popped out - but there it is and what an interesting thought it is - redefine divinity ?????&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;hmmmmmmmmm ! &lt;/p&gt;

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      <title>Re: Masculine spirituality book</title>
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      <dc:creator>gelfer</dc:creator>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:55:54 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      Anyone interested can read an excerpt over here:&lt;br /&gt;http://www.realitysandwich.com/masculine_spiritualities_and_problem_patriarchy &lt;/p&gt;

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      <title>Masculine spirituality book</title>
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      <dc:creator>gelfer</dc:creator>
      <guid>tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-431986</guid>
      <pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:19:51 GMT</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;      Hi folks,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I thought you might be interested in my new book, Numen, Old Men: Contemporary Masculine Spiritualities and the Problem of Patriarchy (London: Equinox Publishers, 2009): &lt;a href="http://tinyurl.com/desl9s" target="_blank"&gt;http://tinyurl.com/desl9s&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since the early 1990s there have been various waves of interest in what&lt;br /&gt;is often described as &#8220;masculine spirituality&#8221;. While diverse, a&lt;br /&gt;commonality among these interests has been a concern that spirituality&lt;br /&gt;has become too feminine, and that men&#8217;s experiences of the spiritual&lt;br /&gt;are being marginalized. Masculine spirituality is therefore about&lt;br /&gt;promoting what it perceives to be authentic masculine characteristics&lt;br /&gt;within a spiritual context. By examining the nature of these&lt;br /&gt;characteristics, Numen, Old Men argues that masculine spirituality is&lt;br /&gt;little more than a thinly veiled patriarchal spirituality. The&lt;br /&gt;mythopoetic, evangelical, and to a lesser extent Catholic men&#8217;s&lt;br /&gt;movements all promote a heteropatriarchal spirituality by appealing to&lt;br /&gt;neo-Jungian archetypes of a combative and oppressive nature, or&lt;br /&gt;understanding men&#8217;s role as biblically ordained leader of the family.&lt;br /&gt;Numen, Old Men then examines Ken Wilber&#8217;s integral spirituality which&lt;br /&gt;aims to honour and transcend both the masculine and feminine, but which&lt;br /&gt;privileges the former to the extent where it becomes another masculine&lt;br /&gt;spirituality, with all its inherent patriarchal problems. Gay&lt;br /&gt;spirituality is then offered as a form of masculine spirituality which&lt;br /&gt;to a large degree resists patriarchal tendencies, suggesting a queering&lt;br /&gt;of spirituality could be useful for all men, both gay and straight. &lt;/p&gt;

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