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Zeitgeist - The Movie

Dave [no longer around] said Oct 10, 2007, 8:33 AM:
 
Friends.

I am calling on members of this (or indeed of Zaadz, outside this pod) to answer me a question regarding this Zeitgeist movie which I have not yet seen.

A passing comment made to me by a good fellow here on Zaadz informs me that the movie shows the society of Freemasonry in an unfavorable light.  No surprise there then, where the media is concerned.

I was wondering just what it says about Freemasonry and it supposed misdemeanors in the world today?  I welcome the answer(s) to this question to come from any individual regardless of which side of the fence he or she stands. 

Zeitgeist as word I believe means 'Spirit of time' or 'time of the spirit'.  Something to that effect.  I believe it is often used as a term for certain schools of thought concerning world-view or world-progression.  A social-cultural thing, perhaps?

“They find it difficult -those who take authority as the truth, rather than the truth as authority”

This is the quote I am met with when visiting for the first time the movies official web-page. 

I can tell you freely that no such notion plays a part in the true Freemasons heart.  There is naught higher than Truth.

I look forward to hearing from you.
  inlink : peacemaker

Re: Zeitgeist - The Movie

inlink said Oct 12, 2007, 9:49 AM:
 

 It is now scientifically proven that there is a dimension of infinite possibility from which we individuals observe—from which consciousness interacts with the aspects of matter. it is mind over matter.   So I ask you, why demand that we share other people's reality?  Furthermore, If we recognized that each has his own reality, his own truth,  why ever grant authorities the power to advise us, or pass laws against the individual's natural right to his truth?  

There is a school of thought, defined in the dictionary as anarchy, that I subscribe to: “the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the coopereative and voluntary association  of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society. 

The most misused word in society is “free.” Does the above dictionary definition of anarchy conflict with Free Mason ideals?   If it does, then my understanding of  Free Masonry is incorrect.  In my view, ideally, morals include individual conscience, include transcendence from the physical to limitless consciousness. We can't be free when we are objective. We are free when we are subjective.  It is when objectivity wins over  individual rights that we go to war to find out whose objectivity is right.

The bottom line: Give an individual authority higher than another's, and it is his truth, period;  everyone else's truth be damned.  The term for it is the pecking order.   We need public servants, not authorities.
 

Re: Zeitgeist - The Movie

Dave [no longer around] said Oct 12, 2007, 11:11 AM:
 

So the movie is of a political nature!  Ha-ha.  That certainly answered that question for me, Inlink.

My place within and my understanding thereof 'Freemasonry' is that ethic and morality must include individual conscience and transcendence from the physical into limitless, unbound consciousness.  So I am certainly in agreement with you there, as an individual -but I of course can not comment on behalf of all other members of the Fraternity. 


Freemasonry advises members to interpret its structure and symbolism in a way which they will find useful.  It is, even with the basic-core meanings inherent throughout the world, an extremely personal experience. 

Freemasonry promotes peace and harmony -if anarchy were to promote the over throwing of any world government by violent means, that would be considered un-masonic, in terms of the organizations cultural place as a whole.  If however there were a change in government, for the eventual betterment of all citizens of a country or province, Freemasonry would promote this peaceful, positive change.  There would be no clash of so called ideals there. 

I personally am not an anarchist and support the idea of changing a government from within so that it serves the people.  Again that is my personal opinion and I can not speak for every other Mason on the face of this glorious Earth.  Note also:  I make no specific reference to any particular government.  I am speaking in general, as disposed to all the worlds people. 


  Jay : Master Builder

Re: Zeitgeist - The Movie

Jay said Oct 14, 2007, 8:08 PM:
 

I just watched the movie and I dont believe it is directed toward Freemasonry.  The main enemy is the world banks followed by religion and government.  It makes you think!   Most of the facts that it presents I was unable to confidently accept as truth or deny as false.  The one area I had a problem with was the airplane hitting the Pentagon.  I was there right after 9/11 and they had guys in white coats sifting through the piles of stuff.   There was obviously to me a ton of residue from the crash and although I did not see any plane seats, I have trouble accepting the fact that the movie said there was no plane debree.  Worse than that is the way it made me feel.

I have trouble accepting that people will sacrifice their neighbors for a couple of bucks.  I understand that some people do but to do 9/11 so that you can go get oil is pretty sick.  I hope we have not created  people that will stoop to the level that this film indicates.  If the film is correct, maybe we need an end to the world.

We are one.  I know most dont feel it yet but, if they are as removed as this movie indicates, we are in very serious trouble!

Jay
  Jay : I AM...

Re: Zeitgeist - The Movie

Jay said Oct 14, 2007, 10:59 PM:
 

I was gobstopped after seeing this film. Actually, my thoughts were…now that I've been givien this information, what am I to do with it. Yes it's controversial. I don't think it was targeted against Free Masons. Rather, a small group of people in power. I have seen numerous times the news clips on the plane crashes into the towers. There are many anomalies. And much information that has been covered up. I agree with the folm in this respect…Question reality…News media controls much of what we believe to be true…But look further…Only within each of us can we determine what is true…There is simply far too much emphasis in what's out there…that many of us have forgotten that we as observers have the power to decide /create/shift reality. 

I agree, we are all one.

Jay L
 

Re: Zeitgeist - The Movie

Dave [no longer around] said Oct 26, 2007, 10:30 AM:
 
I would encourage those with an interest in this subject to make their merry way over to Julian's blog.  He has written an excellent critical piece on the movie:

Zeitgeist: In the Spirit of Paranoia


Cheers!
  WhiteWolf : White Wolf has left the building...

Re: Zeitgeist - The Movie

WhiteWolf said Oct 27, 2007, 9:09 AM:
 

Fascinating stuff that blog. Especially some of the comments afterwards.
 

Re: Zeitgeist - The Movie

Dave [no longer around] said Oct 27, 2007, 1:14 PM:
 
Yes, I would have liked to have added a little more myself, but I have still not seen the movie for myself.  I do not have much motivation, however, to do so or be entirely bothered if I never do. 

Cheers.