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  Denim : noncomformist#12

What is in a Name?

Denim said May 7, 9:51 PM:

 

Did you know your name is no accident and that there is some truth tied to it via your numerology chart and it is shocking news! Oh something like that, see add
below, I seem to read it all the time but nothing sticks.
 
So I just glimpsed over the roll call in this group, interesting mix as I have said before. Nice to meet everyone btw. I know some of you, others I pretend as if I don’t know you and perhaps you pretend you don’t know me but we have lurked out each others stuff in the past. I see many new icons as well and even some interesting ones!
 
I am curious, does your icon represent anything that reflects you or how about your handle you use on here?
 
I am Denim, yes my legal name only recently changed…I know…you don’t have to say anything, I can hear what your thinking…it is a long story and besides that I already dumped this one out in a blog!
 
I have changed my icon a few times, not often. I have had my mug up and down a few times just long enough to satisfy the wonderers. I really like my previous icon of the farming couple and used this for some time, as it is a great fit. Since I rolled up my profile recently, I changed it to Charles Bukowski. 
 
I have some insane theory, that if you get Buk than you can get me. So I littered my profile with Buk for awhile, I use it as a screening tool on here. I will also admit it is strange posing as a man or Bukowski for that matter.
 
Well the nonconformist#12 is self-explanatory to some degree. Although, I did read a book at the age of 7 with this in the title or so I think I did, not all that sure. What matters is that I have been attempting to perfect this role ever since. (If anyone can find this book for me, I would sure appreciate it)
 
So what is your story?
 
Just throwing out a light topic but I am sure we can turn it heavy, deep and fully engage it if we try!

  Denim : noncomformist#12

Re: What is in a Name?

Denim said May 7, 9:57 PM:

 

Here is the current mix by handles only! 


Cultivator
Moderator
Gone to the Dogs
Walking Dreamer
Wonder
Life to Life
HELP PLZ.
nonconformist#12
“SmAsHInG dUaLiTy”
Tree Hugging Dirt Worshiper
Diva John’s Luminous Creations
Intersection Princess
Finder of Peace
Synchronicity Coordinator
karmardier  www.beyond-karma.com
Healer
One Mind
A hoot and The frumious Bandersnatc
I know you are but what am I?
messenger
Activist and Ambassador
practitioner & free
Warrior
Teacher – Healer – Speaker
Interfaith Spirituality
pompateur of love
eternal presence
Servant
Dharma Rain
Light-seeker
Wonderer
Dreamer
Seeker
Mystic
Love in action
Living Ever Closer to Excellence!
MonkMojo
I am here now with you.
Soul Explorer
LoveGodFollowHim
Explorer of Consciousness
J:)
sighthound
Guardian
Balanced
Anam Cara
Joy Within
Student
student
activist
One with All That Is
Faster Pussy Cat
Diva….Bringer of Divine Light
Seeker of Truth
Phase II
Philosophy Minor, Life Major
loving Spirit
Spiritual Consultant
.
Floating in powder
Poeticscript
Peace seeker
student_of_life
Learning to Crawl
The Fabulous
Wu-wei-practitioner


Is anyone totally crept out that I made this list? Me too! (But
it was rather interesting)

  Mikey_Dee : A hoot and The frumious Bandersnatc

Re: What is in a Name?

Mikey_Dee said May 8, 4:23 AM:

 

Denim, I am delighted that you made this list & that I feature in it,
Thanks,
Mike (the gaian formerly known as “the monkey business man)The Frumious Bandersnatc

Crazy_mike_solo_chains
  Nicole : wakingdreamer

Re: What is in a Name?

Nicole said May 8, 7:38 AM:

 

Mike, you're a hoot! :)

Denim, that's a fascinating list… self-centred as I am I looked for my handle and - there it is near the top except with a small change…

I recently changed my icon to an actual picture of me and my handle to “waking dreamer”. It was an impulsive change - I was tired of the old handle which had long lost its meaning for me, and tried to think of something that characterised my life - this felt right as I often feel I'm dreaming my life… like that Bowie song 

LYRICS - If I'm Dreaming My Life

  Denim : noncomformist#12

Re: What is in a Name?

Denim said May 8, 11:08 AM:

 

Geesh your welcome Mike…that kinda scared me, I wasn't expecting it but in a good what a hoot kinda scary way!

  debyemm : Tree Hugging Dirt Worshiper

Re: What is in a Name?

debyemm said May 20, 10:12 AM:

 

Wow - I made the list -

Tree Hugging Dirt Worshiper

Humbling.  Yep, it's no accident.  I hug a tree almost daily and I worship (which really only means - respect, revere and cherish) the dirt around me because it nurtures me and my enviroment and because it is the most amazing and awesome living entity.  To dirt, we all return eventually - one way or another (I know most people try to circumvent that process).

Deb

  Nahnni : Sun and Moon

Re: What is in a Name?

Nahnni said May 8, 10:30 AM:

 

Hey Denim~

Nice to see you :)

I saw a biography film on Bukowski not so very long ago.  Deeply intense is the word that comes to mind.

I have some insane theory, that if you get Buk than you can get me.

Actually, I don't think such a theory is that far off.  Perhaps one's affinity to a poet may say more than we realize.  My father's favorite poet was Robert Service.  And he dreamed constantly of far off adventure, the spell of the Yukon and all that.  What if all our icons were to be a poet?  What would this really say?  I am one for Yeats, so I probably ought to examine that more closely, in keeping with the theory.

I use a derivative of my own name here on Gaia.  The handle, Wonder, only because people have tended to say over the years, “you are a wonder”, although I am not thinking they mean this as a compliment…oy.   My icon picture comes from a photograph taken about 3 years ago, and which I toyed with on some photo thing.  I am not one for photographs of myself, and feel safer in shadow, I guess is what it says, now that I think about it.

Blessings~

  Denim : noncomformist#12

Re: What is in a Name?

Denim said May 8, 11:38 AM:

 

Nahnni, 

Good to see you and half of your shadow as well! 

“Perhaps one's affinity to a poet may say more than we realize.”


Great point and I get this and it may work well for social groups like this. Somehow, this self expressed affinity to Buk explains a part of me better than I can offer in my own words! I think I am allowing for those that may need to or want to, put me in a box or attempt to get a pulse on me. Right or wrong, I think it happens naturally. 

Yet, I have never expressed why I like Buk and don't think I will. It just is what it is. And…he is not my favorite either!

Honestly…I have wondered upon your shadow image…the point being…you are doing what is best for you! I have put my mug up and down a million times…same thing…not comfortable!



Rebel Angel by
Robert Service
 
If ever I am  angel bright
    With golden wings to fit,
I'll pluck from one a feather light
    And make a pen of it;
And write a verse of nobler worth
    Than I composed on earth.
What shall it Be? I do not know -
    But of weariness and woe,
    Of earth-folk downward driven;
Of ruthless martyrdom of man,
    Since human life began.
Of those first children of the night
    In caves of bitter bale,
Who fought their way up to the Light,
    Through filth and cold and ail;
Whose depth of pain was all their measure,
    And lack of pain their pleasure.
Our ancestors who knew not tears
    And had no heart for grief;
Who thought old age was thirty years,
    And bore beyond belief
A suffering that men today
    Seek morphine to allay.
And unto HIM who rules on high,
    Whose face I may not see,
With indignation I would cry:
    “Why had this blight to be?
Aeons of agony to pass
    Till champagne brim the glass!”
Then would the Lord of Heaven say:
    “Why should this bard rebel?”
And send me downward straight away
    To plumb the depths of hell.
But I would rather languish there
    Than know in Paradise despair
For all the darkness and the dearth,
    The Hell of sons of Earth.

  mum's  the word : Cosmic Hindu Explorer

Re: What is in a Name?

mum's the word said May 8, 12:33 PM:

 

Reading all that you hold about yourself Denim, isn't there at least a hundred more beautiful qualities that you hold?  Bet you thought of at least a hand mitten more after you posted this, right….giggles.

I had heard that some parents don't even have a given name for their newly born infant, until they see his/her characteristics shinning through.  Kinda cool, actually, since they aren't really in the name given response at that early of a stage…hmmm…questionable!

So I guess the moral to my story is, that it's good to name the baby what he/she is offering to the world as far as their character goes, and is then presented with their given name weeks after their introduction into this world, as apposed to naming the child what you wish she or he will grow into.
But then again, there are some parents who already know what character the infant holds.

A most interesting topic indeed, brother.

Bless

  Denim : noncomformist#12

Re: What is in a Name?

Denim said May 8, 3:56 PM:

 

Reading all that you hold about yourself Denim, isn't there at least a hundred more beautiful qualities that you hold?  Bet you thought of at least a hand mitten more after you posted this, right….giggles.”


You bet I can mum's the word! For starters, I am one heck of a MOM!


Not all that sure what I may have said for you to add this, don't matter…what does matter is that I panicked again when I saw your post, worried I missed you! I see now that you just joined in!


Welcome to the Cosmic Explorer!
67 and counting!


This is why nicknames are good, bypass the birth name when it don't fit or like Liz and I…change it!


I have to admit that mum's the word is an interesting name! Do you have a secret?

  mum's  the word : Cosmic Hindu Explorer

Re: What is in a Name?

mum's the word said May 9, 6:48 AM:

 

Good question, Denim.  The name is more less a connotation, and really on depends on how the other person interprets it's meaning:-))

  arpita : arpita

Re: What is in a Name?

arpita said May 9, 10:36 PM:

 

hi mum's the word…
welcome to the pod!
christine arpita

and while we are talking about names -  i'll mention - arpita is my legal surname - i changed my name legally about ten years ago

it is sanskrit and means “surrender” or “offering”

the intention was to use either christine, or arpita as my name.  and that is why i go back and forth with the two names.

  debyemm : Tree Hugging Dirt Worshiper

Re: What is in a Name?

debyemm said May 20, 11:22 AM:

 

Having named children in recent years and one a few decades ago, I can lend this insight only.  We were tracking down related family, our family surname being rare, and all seeming to come originally from a small geographical area, with any one being related at the least, 4-5 generations back.  

So, when my older son was conceived, I was appreciative of the rarity of the first ancestor to come to the United States and so, we named this son, Simeon, after him.  It is a bit of family tradition that many of the names resonate so, that they repeat often over time and generations.  There was one odd ancesteral one named Horannapuck and we always were fascinated but lucky for our children, never had a girl and weren't inclined to actually use that one. 

I think the rarity mattered to my husband and myself because our names were so common, that there were often 4 or 5 “unlike” individuals, sharing our name, in any given childhood classroom.  

My daughter from a previous marriage was named by her dad.  I would not tell her where her name came from (he put the name upon the birth certificate without consulting me).  Her name is a nickname in Russian for male gendered persons but as it ended in “a” and she grew up on the Mexican border where the “a” ending is feminine, it never proved a problem.  Her middle name was after her paternal grandfather and was also a male gendered name but rare.  Her name suits her and she is happy with it.  My daughter's name is Misha Franz.

My second son has a made up name, composed of the trees and stone, predominent features of our property.  His name is Treston.  There was also that my husband's name started with “S” like our older son, and his next brother, the middle child, started with “T”.  We did not like most of the “T” names we were finding, and wanted a name as “good” (to our minds) as the older boy's name was.

Both of the boy's middle names contain my maiden name, a family tradition on the paternal side, of using surnames as a middle name and a desire of my husband to link the boys to me, for future geneology reasons.

My children all seem happy with their “chosen” names, even though they had no conscious influence.  However, it is my belief that each child influences the impulse of their parent's effort to name them, while in the womb, or even before.  But that's just my craziness of belief.

My name Deborah, I like.  My middle name, Gayle, is reflective of my father and paternal grandfather's names - Gale - but in the feminine form, and my FIL, who I continue to love after death as much as ever, was also a Gale.

I have a “secret” name, once given me by a friend.  I cherish it so, I rarely utter it, except to a very small group of people, who knew me by that name when I lived in St Louis.  The “secret” name connects me to my roots and soul, I believe.

Deb

  Denim : noncomformist#12

Re: What is in a Name?

Denim said May 8, 11:18 AM:

 

Oh man…sorry Nicole! I knew the second I did this that I was going to get something wrong and my other worry was forgetting someone. I used the group list in order and I can now officially say, I visited all 65 group members! I learned a few things! What is also interesting, is that mike and Christine have no space for their handles…they are the cultivator and the moderator…although I know they have handles!

Yes, walking and waking are two different experiences! 

I am sorry I can't edit it now as it only gives us 15 minutes initially. As it was, I had so much editing to do when I copied and pasted it, I was panicking for the next 12 minutes trying to put the list back together!

Yes, from time to time, impulsive or not…change is good! Now I am curious what was your old handle?

  Nicole : wakingdreamer

Re: What is in a Name?

Nicole said May 8, 11:44 AM:

 

No problem Denim, any chance to give that old ego a poke is good :) It's awesome the time you took to do this and making sure you didn't miss anyone.

That's a good point about the “no space for handles” :)

My old handle was love light singer :)

I do love to sing, that won't change…

  Denim : noncomformist#12

Re: What is in a Name?

Denim said May 8, 11:49 AM:

 

Thanks Nicole…but your reply has open invitation to wonder…

Singing will never change but love and light will?

hhhmmmm!

LOL…just kidding ya!

  Liz : Intersection Princess

Re: What is in a Name?

Liz said May 8, 12:18 PM:

 

This is fun, Denim.

I already explained the intersection princess thing recently when someone else asked (actually I think it was Nicole). The system offered a name when I first signed up and that's what it gave me. It amused me, tickled my funny bone..the intersection bit because I'm good at connecting things, people, resources in order to get things done. The princess made me giggle, it just seemd fun and much grander than anything I'd have thought up.

That numerology thing though, I also did the initial reading and I am fed up with the emails that have followed ever since (I can probably unsubscribe but I never got round to it). I've been using pics from holidays till recently, but someone almost dared me to post a pic, so I found one. I'm not always comfortable with it, some days I simply don't care, other days I think about whipping it down again.

I changed my evryday name recently, to go with changed circumstances. Dropped the name of the past 30 years and started using my birth name again. I thought about it off and on for ages, but just one week decided it was time, like drawing a line in the sand. It's been quite liberating, I feel like me wearing it, like a final step in reclaiming my own identity. Funny thing is, its been surprisingly quick to adapt too, answering the phone, signing things, new habits are actually quite easy to form.

I think I've more or less decided that I'm still me, and what folk call me isn't that much of a big deal.

Liz

  Nicole : wakingdreamer

Re: What is in a Name?

Nicole said May 8, 12:22 PM:

 

Yep, guilty as charged, Liz :)

It's cool that you are so flexible!

  Nicole : wakingdreamer

Re: What is in a Name?

Nicole said May 8, 12:23 PM:

 

LOL! Very good! 

  Denim : noncomformist#12

Re: What is in a Name?

Denim said May 8, 3:47 PM:

 

Liz, you Princess, what a great story! I know that when I typed your handle, I had to go back and check again! 

Good for you on making the change YOU felt necessary, I found some folks really weird about the name change in my experience, including myself!

  Denim : noncomformist#12

Re: What is in a Name?

Denim said May 12, 12:12 PM:

 

68, 67, 66, 68…66…! This is starting to reflect my friends list! Say something in here and I lose a friend and sometimes gain a friend…!

  Liz : Intersection Princess

Re: What is in a Name?

Liz said May 12, 12:48 PM:

 

rofl Denim, it's not paranoia if they really ARE out to get you:-)

Liz

  Suni : Guardian, Warrior, Survivor

Re: What is in a Name?

Suni said May 13, 4:02 AM:

 

hi denim! i think thats cool that you changed your name, by the way. i dont remember what my old handle used to be, but it has been “Guardian” for some time now. it is fitting for me because i help people who used to be just like me: cutters and suicidal people. i can help because i know what its like to feel that low. i also help out other people with other problems, and if i dont have that experience, i offer what wisdom i can. thats my excerpt from my life story. all i can say is that i wouldnt be here if it werent for my friends, and i love my friends very, very much :) and everyone on gaia is a great help too!
LOVE YA GAIA!
 my numbers are: 1, 3, 3, 9, 4 apparently. i'll post the results in my blog!

  Denim : noncomformist#12

Re: What is in a Name?

Denim said May 14, 5:12 AM:

 

Hi Suni, nice to meet you. I am sure it takes great strength and heart to be a Guardian!  Couldn't access your blog but hoped your numbers worked out for ya!

  Suni : Guardian, Warrior, Survivor

Re: What is in a Name?

Suni said May 14, 4:02 PM:

 

they did! they were very accurate to me! it was fun reading it. im glad i chanced upon this thread :)

  Nicole : wakingdreamer

Re: What is in a Name?

Nicole said May 15, 8:26 AM:

 

I'm glad you did too, Suni!

Hugs,

Nicole

  inlink2009 : Gaia Child

Re: What is in a Name?

inlink2009 said May 16, 8:33 AM:

 

My name is Joseph Smith, kind of an archetypal name.  In  Numerology and Devine Triangle,  I'm given 7 as my life lesson number. It fits. I'm here to use my mind. 

I've had to open a new profile page, as Gaia asked for my email address and log in pass word. My email address has been removed. I couldn't log in.   Only the picture I entered is on my profile page—me when I was 2 years old sitting on the hood of my dad's 1925 Pontiac. I could not enter my profile.  Gaia wouldn't accept it. So I'm going to attempt to enter it here.

“I was born in 1925, the year the U.S. Congress passed a law that gave the Internal Revenue Service the authority to examine the individual's income records for tax purposes. It applied only to the rich. They were the only income earners who paid tax on their incomes. ”

“In the month and year I was born, physicist Werner Heisenberg published his uncertainly principle, the forerunner of quantum mechanics. Heisenberg was Hitler's atom bomb builder during World War II. His plant was bombed. The Americans were first with the atom bomb. It ended World War II on September 2, 1945. Lucky for me, I was on the high seas heading for the invasion of Japan.”

“During World War II, the U.S. Congress passed the Victory Tax, which later became the withholding tax all workers pay. With the income tax, the United States of America is now the world's one and only superpower, and out to save the world-in one war after another.”

“Through federal income tax, the United States, the enemy of individual freedom and personal security, is usurping its citizens' power. I've designated myself as peacemaker-the one and only, it seems, who believes we are lords of our own thoughts and capable of being in control of any situation. It is working for me; it can work for you.”

“Little do we know. The cutting edge of science may be near to knowing the how and why of everything. Repairs are nearing completion at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in Geneva, Switzerland. It is hoped that we will know what the universe looked like nanoseconds after it was born.”

“Cultural historian, Richard Tarnas, in Cosmos and Psyche, shows the existence of consistent correspondence between planetary alignments and the archetypal patterns of human history. ”

“Under “World Wars, Cold War, and September 11,” Tarnas points out that Saturn-Pluto cycles coincide with especially challenging historical periods. “These three to four years periods,” says Tarnas, “as did a widespread sense of epochal closure: ‘the end of an era,' ‘the end of innocence,'the destruction of an earlier mode of life that in retrospect may seem to have been marked by widespread indulgence, decadence, naivete, denial , and inflation.” He points out that in November 2008, when socialist Barrack Obama was elected President of the United States, until 2012, when his term of office ends, the unfavorable alignment of Saturn and Pluto occurs. Naturally, this works out. Freedom and equality places the individual in the driver's seat. Under socialism, equality means restraint of individual freedom and government redistribution. America has never been this divided since her Civil War. The bad alignment of Saturn and Pluto perfectly fits the current situation.”

“It so happens that when I was born the Saturn-Pluto alignment was the best ever. It's an omen. The alignment, “Saturn Trine Pluto,” according to astrologers Francis Sakioan and Louis S. Acker, gives the natives the ability to understand the laws by which subtle forces are organized, enabling them to use these laws consciously or unconsciously…They are able to work slowly and make fundamental and irrevocable changes in their own and others' lives.”

“I had to open this new Gaia site because Gaia blocked me from entering my site with a request for my non-working email address and password. You can read about me at my old Gaia blog at http://inlink.gaia.com/blog   ”
Why do people say “we're all in this together?” Life has become easy. We can make many mistakes and survive.  But the worst is yet to come for those who don't learn from their mistakes. I can only speak for myself. These are the best years of my life.

Me1927
  Suni : Guardian, Warrior, Survivor

Re: What is in a Name?

Suni said May 16, 4:43 PM:

 

wow. you sure have experienced a lot of things in your life. thats neat that you were there for some of the world's “greatest” achievements (personally i think that the atom bomb has damned humanity to extinction). thats you on that car? cute if it is, or isn't. i couldn't identify a car if you asked me too. i'm as good with cars as i am with math…and i'm awful with math. i've got the artistic brain, not the brainiac one. i do however have a 3.227 GPA, so that means i have honors. i'm proud of myself for doing so well. i never knew that about the saturn-pluto alignment. thats actually really interesting! learn something new everyday, and i think that's my favorite this week. and i'm sorry that you cannot get onto your old profile. i think that i would cry. i get really attached to my friends, so that would really not be ok for me. my friends are like family to me. i have a dysfunctional family, so i'm grateful for my friends. they help me out a lot, even though most have no idea of what my life is and has been like. it's nice to meet you joseph!

  inlink2009 : Gaia Child

Re: What is in a Name?

inlink2009 said May 17, 4:58 AM:

 

Yes, that's me on my dad's car, 81 years ago, at age two—nine years after World War I ended, sixteen years before I would go to fight in World War II. Since World War II, America has been in four more wars.

Personally, I agree with you. The atomic bomb has damned humanity to extinction.  Want to know why?  Humanity has allowed the exploration and control of the external to outdo the exploration and control of humanity's own nature.

My name says, rather than a person who goes with the flow and exists by feelings, I was put here to use my mind. I'm one of the groundswell building that is taking control back from the authoritarians preying on the feelings of people.  It's written in the stars.  We're moving from the Age of Pisces, an authoritarian age, to the Age of Aquarius, an age when we will look within for answers. 

  Suni : Guardian, Warrior, Survivor

Re: What is in a Name?

Suni said May 17, 5:54 AM:

 

aw..i'm sorry that you had to fight in WW2. did you have to fight in other wars as well? haha, if there were people like you and I in every governing system on Earth, i don't think that there would be weapons of extinction laying around, and i'm very sure that it would be a whole lot more peaceful. what is a groundswell building? hm…that's neat that you know so much about the stars. i'm an aries, and the goat in the chinese zodiac. what are you?

  inlink2009 : Gaia Child

Re: What is in a Name?

inlink2009 said May 20, 9:37 AM:

 

I'm the wood ox.  This is my year.

  Domus Ulixes : Some Kid

Re: What is in a Name?

Domus Ulixes said May 18, 11:45 PM:

 

Has the atomic bomb damned humanity too extinction, or the governements who chose to use it?

As long as people, who do not comprehend the scientific achievements of today get to vote what to do with it. It will be our downfall, nowadays people know about the atomic bomb. We are saved.

But imagine this:
What if only the Americans had the bomb. And nobody else?
Would you trust a single country with a power, that is unprecedented, and used before by themselves.  And nobody who can compare to it? Humans is by nature very greedy, even for power. Humanity would most likely have ended as we know it today, if there wasn't a cold war….
because someone would have taken the (then risk less) chance…

As to world powers, the Bush-wars made America cripple, its economy is no longer able to support any power. And instead of fixing that Bush Junior played with guns. Very sad. Because China is now the dominant world force. Luckily they don't have so many ICBM's the EU zone is becomming a more dominant, but stable factor. With no true military importance except its own defences. A jihad is growing in the east. A decentralised superpower, if one thinks about it, I wonder what is yet to come.

  inlink2009 : Gaia Child

Re: What is in a Name?

inlink2009 said May 20, 10:05 AM:

 

With some Americans, everything that has  gone wrong in America is blamed on Bush. How short-sighted can you get!  Things started going wrong in America before the ink dried on the Constitution. We, the self-serving people, made everyone with black skin, and from Africa, beasts of burden, with none of the rights of people.  More lately, taxpayers have become beasts of burden.  They are here, at this particular time, for the benefit of the government entitled, the Obama Administration and Congress.  What is the matter with you people's thinking!  The Obama Administration and Congress have, in 4 months, made taxpayers tax slaves for generations to come.

Taxpayer
  Denim : noncomformist#12

Re: What is in a Name?

Denim said Jun 10, 9:53 AM:

 

I just wanted to come back and say thanks for everyone's contribution on this one. I learned a lot about everyone…good stuff!