No change yet and on Purification Level 1

I spent almost six months using Awakening Prologue daily, often two or three times each day, but did not notice any changes so I moved to Purification Level 1 and have been doing that for about six weeks and still nothing.

Has anyone had a similar experience?  Is there a better, more effective program I should try?

Initially I was very enthused with Awakening Prologue but Bill Harris is constantly trying to sell me packages of advanced levels and more frequently all kinds of programs from his friends. I almost quit because of his heavy marketing. It seems like all the people on “The Secret” movie market each other’s courses.

On an interview with Bill Harris as a guest he stated he had more money than he could ever spend. On a recent interview I heard he said Centerpointe gets about 1,000 orders a week from all over the world so I wonder why he makes each level so expensive. If I had more money than I could ever spend, as he claims, I’d want to help as many people as possible and if I were selling a meditation course that could do that I’d do it as a non-profit to keep it affordable and also give discounts for students and senior citizens.

I’ve noticed he never responds to e-mail. The messages I get from him come from bill@centerpointe but I’ve replied a few times with some suggestions and none has ever received an answer.

Is it really worth continuing on, at least through the four Purification Levels, to see if it works for me?

Re: No change yet and on Purification Level 1

Hello, and welcome to the Holosync Group!

First off, if you wouldn’t mind, please check the packaging on the CD’s you have, because the level following Awakening Prologue is supposed to be Awakening Level I, NOT Purification.

Some people do not NOTICE changes immediately, because sometimes they can be very subtle and not show up for months or even years down the road, and all of a sudden you NOTICE things have changed.  You would normally know if something subtle changed in your brain.  So what, exactly were you expecting should change?  I’d also like to speculate here that the longer we’ve been alive, the more set things become in our brains, as well as the more damage there is to repair, so immediate results may not be felt - we don’t normally feel our brains working.

Secondly, IF you went directly from Awakening Prologue to the Purification Levels, the changes that occur in the interim Awakening Levels would NOT have occured, so other than perhaps giving you some major overwhelm, moving into the Purification levels without proper preparation won’t work, anyways.  Jumping ahead in the program will not make things go any faster for you.

As to how Bill arranges his finances, that is HIS business.  If you buy a wide-screen TV, you probably don’t make any judgement on the TV manufacturer, do you?  So why does it matter to you if Bill does or doesn’t make a lot of money?  It is wonderful that IF you were in his position, you would be so generous, but that doesn’t mean that everyone should live, or will live, by your code of excellence.  As to him not answering his own email, regardless of whether or not he’s the one sending it out, that is corporate privilege of rank, and MOST large organizations do the same thing.

Cheers!
Gem

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Sorry, but the edit function isn’t working properly:  In the above reply it should say, in the second sentence of the second paragraph:  “You wouldn’t normally know if something subtle changed in your brain.”
 
That’s a very important thing to note!
 
Gem

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You’re correct, it is Awakening Level 1 but somehow I thought that was also Purification Level 1, I’ve read so much of the printed and e-mail material he’s sent that I mixed them up.  At the time I planned to do all 12 levels above Awakening Prologue. I know Purification comes next and Flowering after that. My mistake, I write these late at night after taking my sleeping pill when I’m half asleep. I’ve mixed up things worse than that, believe me!

But I stick with my opinion that if a man has “more money than I could ever spend” that if he truly believed in his meditation (or self-help) program he would make it affordable to as many people as possible, a wonderful way to help raise the consciousness of the planet.

To whomever asked if Bill Gates or other wealthy people should give a discount I say if they have more money than they can ever spend why not? But Bill Gates is not in the business of enlightment or meditation, he’s selling a product which often fails to meet expectations.

The man who founded the company I work for is worth $3.6 Billion and I don’t see him helping people, in fact he doesn’t even give back to the company that made him a multi-billionaire so we had hundreds of layoffs a few days ago. I hoped Bill Harris, whom I liked a lot at first, would present a different business model.

While he may not answer his own e-mail I”m sure he has an assistant who could send a simple reply such as “Thank you for your suggestions, I will pass those along to the appropriate people”.

I can’t afford to buy a wide-screen TV so I can’t answer that question.

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I am with you Gem on Bill’s finances. Who gives a flip how much Bill makes or what he does with his money. I do know that there are a few organizations that he supports heavily but that is beside the point.

And for reaching him personally. See if you can get Bill Gates to answer your emails suggesting changes in MicroSoft. LOL

When you by a book from Jack Canfield, or Wayne Dyer, do you complain of the cost because these guys are multi-millionaires? Heck, they should be selling their books for a dollar now since they have so much money, right?


Holosync has worked miracles in my life but it is no easy road. It is a short cut in a sense but not without a price and dues to pay. Most change is evolutionary. Rarely does change take place over night that sticks. Personal growth from my experience happens in an upward spiral where I re-visit my old self over and over but from a higher and higher perspective until gradually a new self is born so to speak.

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I found this forum by accident while doing a Google search to find other peoples’ experiences with Holosync and posted (somewhat incorrectly it turns out) asking for help and advice.

Most of the comments seem to be more of an attack on me than offering help or telling me when Holosync began making changes in their lives.  That isn’t what I expected from a community of people meditating.

I’m new to meditation and, as I explained, I’m 65 years old. My brother dropped dead suddenly while visiting his best friend one Saturday afternoon at age 52. That made me think, and in part prompted my question here about should I notice any changes after almost eight months with Holosync.

What I got was people saying I’m too impatient, that I’m looking for a quick fix, that I should see a hypnotist.

I’m simply saying that my life span is short compared to many of you and I wanted to find out if I was on the correct track with Holosync after spending eight months listening two or three times a day faithfully – you see, I can’t afford to waste four years waiting for changes if I want to make significant progress while I’m still alive and healthy.

It was a simple request for help. If all you want to do is attack me for what I wrote feel free, but it’s not likely I’d stick around this forum and absorb that negative energy when I’m looking for positive energy and change in what time I have left.

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I am baffled. I see no attacks on you Greywolf.

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Greywolf,

I am going to ignore the bill/centerpointe side of things and concentrate on changes that may have occurred.

Firstly you like me are new to meditation, one of my aims in purchasing Holosync was to help establish a regular practice and I have broadly speaking achieved this change in behaviour. You talk about using HS up to 3 times a day, a behavioural change. You also talk about relaxation and given your reasons mentioned for starting HS this sounds like a change in your emotional state, you mention the need for sleeping pils and I wonder if you have changed your use of these over this period of time. The support material has been very useful to me enabling me to identify negative thought patterns I had developed and through the act of recognition to change my attitude and world view to a manner that supports positive change, have you considered how your attitude to life might have changed since you started HS.

Awakening level 1 is still early in the program and it is difficult to assess the effectiveness of the program from personal experience, or as an outsider without knowledge of your expectations. Also HS is one tool and to address the kind of issues you talk about a more rounded (dare I say Integral) approach is needed.

Regards,

Davybuoy

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Greywolf,

Here is another forum that may be useful for you in your search for information.

http://www.centerpointe.yuku.com/topic/4103
http://centerpointe.yuku.com/topic/5670/master/1/?page=1
http://centerpointe.yuku.com/forums/12

I also want to ask you if you have thoroughly read everything on the Centerpointe webpage, the articles, etc. There is such a wealth of information there. There is also The Blog that ate Mindchatter:

http://www.centerpointe.com/blog/

There is so much discussion and information there that you’ll be reading for a year and you should get most any question you have answered.

As far as your age is concerned, I don’t know how to deal with that. I am 50. I could die today or tomorrow. And I still have  quite a few years to go with Holosync. So my focus has to be on living today to the fullest and appreciating that I am exactly where I am supposed to be today. I have to live today for that is the only time I have really. I don’t know what time I have left.

Holosync is a tool for providing positive change in my life as long as I am alive. But if I postpone my happiness in the hopes of some promised future via Holosync or any other growth tool, then I have surely missed the boat. That’s what I am hearing in your “impatience” due to my perception of your statement about not having as many years left to change as others on the forum might have. AND….I have felt a similar feeling at times and I am 15 years younger. If I’d only been able to start listening at 20 instead of in my 40s I thought. Now, I just accept that what is is what is and I started when I started.

Now I have to get ready for work or I don’t eat. LOL

Re: No change yet and on Purification Level 1

I started holosync at age 17, now I'm 20 doing or/ending awakening levels. Yes, I know I'm very lucky to have found it so early in my life.

To those who don't see results: keep listening! The results are not going to come over nigh, be patient – I know that it's difficult but somewhere near purification levels you'll find that it is OK – somehow the desire for the results faints. You just begin to be more and more interested in what happens NOW – you realize that it is always NOW and there will be nothing else than that. You have to satisfy yourself with what there is …

Be persistent and good luck

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Just to comment on greywolf3's concerns about the pricing and marketing of Holosync, this is something that has been discussed extensively on all the Holosync forums.  I think it's a fair comment, and there are many people who agree that the price is far too high for what is essentially a simple audio CD.  And the marketing style is certainly not to everyone's tastes.  But in the end, the choice is ours.  Many people report great results with Holosync, and are happy to pay what it costs.  Centerpointe has created a real perception of value, which I think is helpful for getting people to stick with the program.  It might sound like an odd argument, but having people pay hundreds of dollars for each level might ultimately HELP them, as they will value the soundtracks more highly and are more likely to continue listening if nothing seems to be happening for a while (assuming that the program DOES work in the long run).  On top of that there's the bonus materials and support, of course.

But for those who aren't willing to pay that much, there are a number of cheaper alternatives.  Some follow the Holosync modality of gradually lowering carrier frequencies closely.  And those who are self-disciplined and tech-savvy can create their own soundtracks with the Transparent products.

In the end it's really up to us where we spend our money.   One thing I do think can be misleading, is the idea that delta entrainment will work for everybody.  There is a fair amount of anecdotal evidence that it does work for many people, but others seem to report little to no benefit at all.  Some people are simply not able to entrain to certain frequencies, and others (who might have slow-wave disorders) might find delta and low-theta entrainment to do more harm than good (they might benefit enormously from beta entrainment, however).  There's virtually no scientific evidence of the long term effects of these soundtracks, so we really have to make up our own minds.  If you found the delta entrainment of Holosync to not work for you, you might try something like LifeFlow instead, which starts out with several levels of Alpha entrainment and goes progressively deeper from there.  

Good luck to you, whatever you decide.

Ken

Re: No change yet and on Purification Level 1

A few things…

Are you using stereo headphones?
Is it possible you simply are not recognizing the effects of holosync?

Holosync, for many of us, brings up layers of resistance, which after we let them go or fall away, brings a new sense of joy and freedom. Is it coincidence you bring up things “unrelated” to the effects of holosync which could very well be the effects of holosync?

-Bill's pricing of Holosync
-People “attacking” you here on the forum

Through my use of Holosync, I've lost my job, nearly lost my marriage, have had the IRS breathing down my neck threatening me, and a host of other things. This has brought up emotions that have terrified me. I feel like I am being put through the fire of life and being purified like gold is of its impurities. I am a stronger person now. 

If I was a spiritual teacher of yours and wanted to tell you something to help get you unstuck, it would be to let your mental opinions of Bill Harris' pricing and how people treat you go. If you can't do that, question your beliefs which holds those opinions in place. What feelings are you avoiding when you feel attacked? Why is that there? We did not put that there. Let it out and be free! :)

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Whoa. Holosync made the IRS threaten you?  Did you try to write it off as a business expense?