get rid of holosync

oh Everyone I want to get rid of holosync effect im on level 3 in the end and ive stopped using it 6 months ago becauese off enormous pain and it hasnt got better with all that affirmations so help me anyone on how i can get rid of holosync effect. thank you soooo much.

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Hi Laworder, and welcome to the group….

It is unlikely that after six months of NOT using the program that you would still be feeling effects from it.  Especially if you are still on the lower levels in the program.  So exactly which level did you stop at?

It is unclear what you mean by “affirmations”, but if it refers to the ones that you would have personally put on your Holosync levels, there is much speculation if they even work at all, so it is also unlikely that if you put something in there that would cause you pain, that you'd have any response this early in the process for sure, as the effects would be (if they exist at all) cumulative over a long period of time.

Also, when you say “pain” - is this physical, mental or emotional pain?

Perhaps if you would take each of the above issues separately and explain what you mean, someone here may be able to guide you as to what to do.

Be Well!
Gem

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Hi Gemstar,
 Thanks for taking the time to respond. I am trying to comprehend your sentence so please assist me on this one.  “It is unlikely that after six months of NOT using the program that you would still be feeling effects from it.” Are you saying that it is unlikely the holosync effect is supposed to be affecting me after stopping for 6 months?

I am on Awakening Level 3. I had put lots of affirmations in my holosync program from Level 1 Onwards. I have stopped on Level 3 about 6 months ago. Whilst using holosync and after stopping I have a lot of twitching in my body (Ive taken magnesium supplements and it hasnt helped), bad and strange dreams and halucinations, feeling body cramps during office hours and after, difficulty waking up in morning, coming home from work and having to lie on bed and fall into a another dream for about 2 hours before waking up and feeling dazed again, my leg suddenly jerking while asleep and images of past experience and anger coming to present. I think I was better before than I was using holosync. Its as though the good days are lesser and bad days are even more present than ever. I was yawning soo much that I started doing Kundalini yoga about 3 months after I stopped Holosync to offset the effect of holosync but no matter how much Yoga I do the balance Holosync effect is still there.
Will this discomfort from Holosync finally wither away with time and how long more? I hope this answers your queries. Thanks.
LawOrder

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You wrote:  “Are you saying that it is unlikely the holosync effect is supposed to be affecting me after stopping for 6 months?”

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.  Just because something started while you were listening to Holosync doesn't necessarily mean that it is related to Holosync, and I think the proof that it isn't related is in the fact that after six months of NOT using Holosync, it's continuing.  So perhaps you need to explore other causes.

Realizing that you live in Australia, do you have any support from the Australian Re-Seller? If not, please consider using Centerpointes email support to get some answers, if you haven't already done so.  But were I you, I'd also be looking to medical advice, as this does not sound healthy.  Self-medicating, even with supplements, is contra-indicated. Some of what you describe sounds like a pinched nerve to me - so maybe you'd get some relief by visiting a Chiropractor.

You might also consider that doing Kundalini Yoga is going to do some of the same things that Holosync was possibly doing to originally make you uncomfortable (raising Kundalini), which might NOT be the best thing for you to be doing presently, under the circumstances.
Anyways, please feel free to continue this conversation.  Regardless that it's caused by Holosync or not, there are a lot of good minds here who might be able to suggest how you can be helped.

Gem

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Hi everyone. I just wanted to join in to let gem know that the effects of holosync can be felt for a very long time. The physical and emotional overwhelm that holosync brings about, stay with you until they just disappear after a while (could be a long while though) irrespective of whether one has been doing holosync or not. I say this from experience caus I have stopped using holosync for over 7 months and I still feel energy rushes (are they called kriyas) in my head and it also seems like my IQ has dropped like 40 points. Of course over the 7 months I have been constantly getting better and better without being involved in any other modality. So I know that holosync has brought about these effects. I also do know that these effects will pass away with time but it is just frustrating to have these negative effects be a part of you for such a long time inspite of not using holosync. But slowly and steadily as these effects have begun lessening I feel better and better.  I am not sure if I want to continue to use holosync although i personally believe it be a very powerful tool but just not sure if I am willing to go through the overwhelm and I have seen very severe ones. Anyway thats my 2 cents. I have followed this forum from the yuku board where gem was at and I have really admired her insights and how strongly she supports the use of holosync, although it is a very powerful tool and one should treat it with respect. I have taken 4+ years to reach al 3.3 and boy it has been truly difficult.  Lets hope I do not give it up.

Take care,
rewired

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Hi Rewired,
 I realy really hope you are right as I cant wait for the holosync effect to decrease. Its actually been 8 months since I stopped. I still twitch, have blackouts and dreams. I wonder if its my kundalini yoga for the last 7 months Ive replace the holosync with thats causing this or not but I really hope the holosync is gone. I saw a counsellor who did hypnothereapy and nlp and me and told me to let go of my past angers. I know I cannot expect miracles in the first session but I felt a bit liberated after that. Now I feel Im back into my hole again. Im wondering if I should continue the therapy as my counsellor told me im not an overnight product so I will take a few more sessions to let go.
Thanks for yours and everyones insight.
Laworder

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Laworder,

Have you called Centerpointe Support?

Larry

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Yes I have. They told me to do some art and some exercises which I did and have not much helped.

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I'd suggest forging forward and continue with holosync. Holosync has a way of bringing things to the surface things which will fall away as you continue. Another thing I would suggest is trying to listen to your body through all of this. It might be trying to tell  you to do something which will help alliviage its blockage!

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It's very hard to offer advice about something like this over the internet.  All the 'symptoms' you describe are not uncommon to people who are practicing meditation seriously.  When you're engaged in any kind of serious practice, at some point you will probably 'open pandora's box'.  How and when this happens is completely unpredictable, but almost everyone who practices seriously will face some difficult hurdles.  My experience with Holosync is fairly limited, but I'm assuming that a similar process is possible.  When something very difficult comes up, the question is whether it's good to push through it, or back off.  This is something nobody else can decide for you, but the advice of a good teacher would be invaluable.  A lot of us get into spiritual practice with the desire to simply feel better, not knowing what an ordeal it can be.  About six years ago I was doing an intensive three month meditation retreat, where towards the end I had a period of great insight and clarity.  Followed by a headache, which simply did not go away.  It's taken several years to pinpoint a muscular/emotional/energetic tightness in my diaphragm, which is causing my neck and jaw muscles to contract.  Working through this has been, and continues to be, a long and hard process.

I think Kundalini Yoga is a good idea.  There are a lot of misconceptions about Kundalini Yoga about it being dangerous - in truth all the dramatic stories and books many of us have heard about of dangerous kundalini openings were written by people who weren't actually practicing Kundalini Yoga.  There are some techniques that can be dangerous if practiced exclusively and intensively, but that wouldn't be practicing correctly.  Have you discussed this with your teacher?  He/she should be able to give you some good advice.  You might consider investing in some one to one sessions to focus your yoga practice on what you're going through.  I'm not an expert on Kundalini Yoga btw, I'm just speaking from some experience I had last year of doing 10 weeks of one to one sessions (I haven't kept up the practice since then).

Any physical exercise is probably good.  It is possible, however, that this is something you need to go through, rather than back away from.  You might consider getting in touch a local meditation group, if there is one - a good Zen, Vipassana or Tibetan Buddhist teacher may be able to offer advice.

I wish you the best of luck with it.

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I think you should also visit your health care practitioner to check other aspects.  I realize that physical symptoms can be triggered by holosync, but it could be something that needs treatment while you look for the root and deal with that.

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Laworder, why do you assume that your problems are related to Holosync?

I think it's highly unlikely that Holosync is causing these problems, seeing as how you're not even using the product anymore.

I'm an M.D. myself, and I strongly advice to you go see a doctor. It's dangerous to try and diagnose yourself…

Pelle

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Thanks Pelle,

Been waiting for you… You have more clout than me, Laworders symptoms have been worrying me.

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Hi Pelle,
 I think holosync is the cause because in my affirmations i put 'Im in control of my feelings, thoughts and actions” although I am not. Ive listened to this affirmations for almost 2 years and then Ive realised that this has caused me enormous guilt when Im not able to control any of these feelings any time. Thats why Im dying to get rid of this affirmations or holosync effect on me. I have realised this now. I hope at least the awareness should set me free slowly. 

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Hi Laworder:

As an Certified Instructor for both Hypnosis and NLP (and longtime student of Psychology), what I can say here is that it appears as though you've set yourself up in a double bind with regard to how you view your response to the affirmations and your perceptions of how you create your reality.  Even if this were the ONLY affirmation you put on your CD's, the effect would unlikely be as you've described.  IF the affirmations were effective, then you'd certainly be in control.  So that, in and of itself, releases the idea that the affirmations and/or the Holosync are the cause of your “problems” at this time.

The other thing that suggests to me you are barking up the wrong tree is your insistence that you are not in control of your feelings, thoughts and actions;  that is adopting a victim mentality that is perhaps self-perpetuating for a while, but eventually, when you've caused yourself enough pain with it, you will drop.  You need to explore (hopefully with a professional) why you feel guilty about not being in control.  If you are blaming yourself for putting that affirmation on the CD, and in the same breathe denying that you have that power, that would set up a conflict in your subconscious mind between the two - BUT that has NOTHING to do with the Holosync program itself.  If you simply allowed yourself the freedom to believe that you were in control of your feelings thoughts, and actions, I wonder what that would do for you.  If you simply allowed yourself to release the guilt you've been punishing yourself with, I'm wondering what that would do for you.  Simply allowing yourself to do either of these things will bring you a fair degree of freedom.

A simple example of just how much you are in control which most people have experienced is when someone calls you on the phone - perhaps you've just had a tearful event, but you wouldn't want them to know you've been crying - so you suck it up and plaster a smile on your face, and cheerfully answer “Hello”.  You can probably think of similar instances in your life, as well, where you were in a lousy mood, but you had to suck it up to do something else.  That's JUST how in control you are - and if you can be in control in such an instance, any other time you decide you want to feel better, be more in control, think clearer, etc., YOU are the one making those decisions and telling yourself that you can or cannot do these things.

You've been given a number of good suggestions by others and myself to seek medical/psychological care.  Perhaps this is one place you can start taking control.  Continuing to blame some outside agency for this is like pulling the scab off a wound - you cannot expect it heal properly unless you take appropriate action, of which you've been given several good choices.

Sincerely,
Gem

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Hi Gem,
 Thanks for yours and many other participants response. Im still trying to digest all these information you put out there. I am seing a counsellor tomorrow. That itself is a big step for me. The pain of expressing my thoughts, emotions and going through that in my head is itself making me feel uncomfortable to go tomorrow.  I hope the councellor would be able to help me express myself and face my challenges. I havnt really experienced counselling before. The councellor told me she would asses my problems and work on a number of modalities eg. hypnosis,nlp or whatever is out there to work on my issues.
Regarding your reply, if I can summarize what you are saying is; holosync is not really my problem, neither are the affirmations, i assume that its causing me problems but whats best is to get professional help to deal with it.
Sorry with the summarisation as I sometimes get confused.
Thanks again Gemstar.

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Hi all,
My question is why would you want to get rid of ? What is it that you are trying to avoid with this behaviour ?

Whatever you resist will persist. Period. You have been through some growth spurts.. try too see what's going on on those higher levels.. hehe, more pain more gain.

My guess would be that the anger/uncomfort/sad..etc. is just a manifestation of resistance and the old mind pattern that's fighting for survival is perfectly happy to stay stuck in that state. Once you push through it the pattern will change and it will be hard to remember what it felt like, or at least what it was about.

It's easy to say, hard to do, but the key when you're losing control is just to Let Go.  :)))

Keep up the good work though, it will help your mind feel safe if it thinks it can understand what is going on. Just beware of identifying with all the information as part of who you are.
Take Care
El Nino

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Laworder, you must continue with holosync! Pain you're feeling sounds like your resisting the changes to your internal map of reality. Don't resist it. Let your belief system tumble down and allow your subconscious to re-organise your internal map structure so that you come back stronger in Body/Mind.

Centrepointe research will teach you how to do this as well as countless other web sites. If you knew me 4 years ago, and know me now, I guess I could call myself living proof that this technology works. But please, don't take my word for it, continue the holosync experience even if you beleive it's causing you pain. Because it's not. Your causing your own pain without even realizing it! Tis' the season for enlightenment. So read, learn, and grow. Your subconcious will follow suit.

Btw, yes I also felt quite strong pains while using holosyc near the 3rd awaking stage aswell, funnily enough. I stopped for about 2 months. Particularly back and neck pain even though I usually lay down to meditate. Guess what? As soon as I learn't it was me that was causing this pain due to resistance I read up on how to 'let go' and “let whatever happen be ok”-Bill Harris, my pain stopped and even experienced a europhic sensation through my whole body as I discovered this realisation. I've now been doing holosync for 5 years now and because of it, I am starting to develop a strong sense of self awarness and have progressed quite dramatically in discovering what my purpose in life is.

The only real time I feel mental/physical pain now is when I want those feelings to affect me. And matey, I can guarantee you, that is not often!

I've got Holosync and Bill Harris to thank for that.