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Mind-games

claire02 said Apr 8, 2008, 11:00 AM:

After spending a couple of hours googling Holosync and finding nothing but rah rah advertising, I was pleased to find a comment board where people were expressing what I have been experiencing, and so my first ever blog.
After three months of I listening every day and feeling the higher threshold benefit, I hit the pavement when a series of (did I really ask for this?) set backs, financial, ect., which sent me spiraling into a deep depression. Ive had boughts of depression my whole life so I can deal, but this was intense. I stopped using the program every day for a couple of months and now get back to it about 4-5 times a week because I love the meditation time. What really frightens me is the feeling in my head of a blank stare, as if Ive had a minor lobotmy and the mind is blank and not thinking clearly. I feel dull witted and slow and somewhat dazed with a slight vibration in my head. Is this progress?
I read somewhere in this site of a woman who was unable to preform her work tasks while using regularly and this is how I feel. Is this the cool aid or the benefit?
Thanks for allowing a negative response.

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Re: Mind-games

Gemstar [no longer around] said Apr 8, 2008, 5:51 PM:

Greetings Claire - and Welcome to the group…

Holosync affects everyone differently, although the continued use of it will produce results if the program is followed pretty much as described in the Centerpointe literature.

Have you contacted the Centerpointe Support Line with your situation? They are very good at assisting people with some of the things you have described happening to you. Certainly, if you are experiencing more “overwhelm” than you can handle, you are wise to cut back for a while, perhaps increasing the time incrementally as you become more comfortable with some of the physical effects you are feeling.

The “spaced out” or “blanked out” feeling is similar to what some people (not all though) experience with hypnosis. This is because the binaural beats are pulling you into a level of mind where you would normally be asleep, but instead you are there, but still awake, or at least partially awake. That you are feeling a vibration in your head actually tells me that you are beginning to experience the changes in your neurology as per what the program is supposed to do. It may all feel a little weird, but the best advice I know is still the (somewhat worn out) phrase “Let it be OK”.

Regarding your dazed feeling, after each session you should sit quietly for about five minutes or so, just allowing the body to return to normal. If you find it difficult to return to normal, after sitting for a while, you may want to consider putting on some upbeat music and pushing yourself to move a bit with it to get the blood flowing again, and this should also normalize the activity going on in your brain. Having a small piece of fruit to help normalize blood-sugar might also be helpful, as some people occasionally have a drop in blood-sugar simply because of sitting still for an hour.

Also, please do not consider your remarks as “negative”. You are experiencing something that is different in your realm of experience - and that experience in itself is neither negative or positive - it just is. So please do ask more questions if you need further help - this is a support group of sorts, and we are all (I think) doing the same thing. Some of us have been at it a bit longer, and we're happy to help you adjust as you progress.

Cheers!

Gem ~~^v^~~

Thanks

claire02 said Apr 10, 2008, 7:53 PM:

Wow, its impressive the responce. So nice to get feed back. There are positives, but also concerns. I seem to be leaving old habits behind encluding long time friendships, hopefully temporarily. The giving up of stream of conciousness ideas, an ongoing creative flow including positive and unproductive thinking, replaced with this blank. Maybe this will pass.

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Pelle said Apr 9, 2008, 6:38 AM:

Hi Claire,

Welcome to the pod!

Your comments are not negative at all, they're honest, and that's all we can ask for.

I second all of Gem's suggestions, especially contacting the Holosync support so that you can get help on the phone.

You should probably also try to find the right weekly “dosage” of Holosync, i.e. the amount of weekly time you spend with Holosync that still allows you to function in daily life. Some people can meditate an hour daily, or even two hours daily, without any problems. Others can only do an hour every second day. It is all good, as long as you are pushed to grow, but not pushed to the extent so that you cannot function.

I myself have been off Holosync for a few months now, simply because I felt that my nervous system needed time to catch up with the changes induced by 5-6 years of regular Holosync'ing. Listen to your body and your mind, and then make your decisions.

Cheers,

Pelle

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Rai said Apr 9, 2008, 11:07 AM:

Pelle, what has you experience with Holosync been like?

I listened for 3 months and am taking a break because my left ear is plugged, it seems like I am having some sort of withdrawal. I expereinced higher stress thresholds (which I loved) with Holosync but now I feel that stress threshold is almost back to what is used to be without Holosync. Just wondering if the changes are lasting changes.

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Pelle said Apr 9, 2008, 2:31 PM:

Rai, my experience with Holosync has been one of tremendous growth, and the results are lasting. I've also done regular Gestalt therapy for the last year, and I feel that that has helped me inhabit the new structures that Holosync has created in my nervous system. Holosync is an external tool so a more internal therapy is a great complement.

Pelle

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polly said Apr 9, 2008, 11:08 AM:

Hi Claire,

Welcome.

In reading your post, I saw you made mention of feeling blank, etc. In my wanderings and reading on technologies similar to holosync, I came apon what I thought was an interesting fact that Holosync does not actually tell you, although their information is impressive. After using the technology for a period, your beliefs are challenged (internally), and in a sense you give a lot of the unproductive ones up. In doing this, if you don't use the affirmations that they allow you to record, you end up 'empty', until you have had time to formulate new beliefs. I found this very helpful, as I, and a friend of mine using Holosync both commented that we were feeling 'empty', and I found this to be a realistic explanation. I have never used the recordings, but have now established new beliefs.

Hope this helps you and anyone else experiencing this.

Keep going,
Polly

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Gemstar [no longer around] said Apr 9, 2008, 12:03 PM:

Pollyanna said: “In doing this, if you don't use the affirmations that they allow you to record, you end up 'empty', until you have had time to formulate new beliefs.”

However, if a person is just starting out, only using Awakening Prologue, then there are no affirmations anyways - they are only put on levels above Awakening Prologue. Just thought that should be clarified, so no one thought they were missing out on something that hadn't come up yet. So any “empty” feeling is more likely caused by what the binaurals are doing, than anything else in the case of someone still on Awakening Prologue.

As for the affirmations, although I have put them on continually - changed them up a bit from Awakening Level 3, I haven't really found them being helpful OR hindering. I used a combination of my own, and some of those supplied by Centerpointe as suggestions. I have made gains in some areas of my life, but surprisingly, the areas that I covered in the affirmations have remained fairly static. I have considered that possibly the affirmations may be what are holding me back in some areas (probably resistance involved here), and I will more than likely have them removed altogether after I finished the levels I have already in my possession. Unless of course, those areas perk up considerably in the interim two years.

Gem :)

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Rai said Apr 9, 2008, 1:01 PM:

I find the affirmations as being a marketing technique by Centerpointe and totally unnecessary. Also this causes people not wanting to buy CDs used by others out of fear that they will get others beliefs implanted into their brains.

Very clever :)

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Rai said Apr 9, 2008, 1:03 PM:

In my opinion feeling empty and dry is a part of the process of awakening, it cannot all be mind related. In order to feel in love with life again we have to open our heart, so find processes that allow you to do this and take joy in the process, that is the most important thing.

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polly said Apr 10, 2008, 9:57 PM:

I have personally never used the recorded affirmations as I agree with the marketing ploy opinion. I think that we must just be aware of the falling away of old beliefs/behaviors and the need to create new ones.

Thanks

claire02 said Apr 10, 2008, 7:58 PM:

Thanks for responding. The giving up of the good with the bad is what scares me. I am going to be a very productive funtionary, but I miss the creative disfunction.

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dimitri said Apr 16, 2008, 3:12 AM:

Hi everybody!
I would like to add a suggestion stemming from my studies & experience with Brain machines…
In my early twenties I experimented with the Ultra Meditation tapes and once while I was in a small dance studio doing a session, I felt the dissolution of my contours, weightlessnes and expansion to the edges of the studio!!! it felt extraordinary! The problem is, after that, and for about a week I felt dizzy and “sick”…In a way desincarnated or disembodied…I know it's not what you experience but I used an extreme example.
In my studies on sensorial perception I found out that doing mediatations in a non-integral way by concentrating on what we perceive as mind, or brain, or light and leaving the body…behind, may give us a feeling of disembodiment.
In the meditation sessions we have practised, we gave special attention to meditate as a whole : if I focus on my frontal cortex lobe, I should focalise simultaneously on my knee for example.
Even further : the knee is meditating at the same time as the…rest of you.
Studying some anatomy on top of that, can boost these “integral meditations” into unknown paths…
What if we Holosync with an active-passive body?
Warmest greetings from cyberspace!
dimitri

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Pelle said Apr 16, 2008, 7:22 AM:

Dimitri,

Thanks for sharing that experience, very interesting stuff.

I've sometimes felt, and heard others say, that it would be cool to try Holosyncing while moving (eg doing yoga). Somehow it doesn't always feel right to sit still when doing Holosync, sometimes my body wants to stretch and circulate the energy.

Does anyone else have thoughts or experiences about this?

Pelle

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Rai said Apr 16, 2008, 4:19 PM:

Nowadays I just lie down while HSing, staying conscious throughout the whole session will also lead to being more lucid during dreams.

I used to sit through the whole session but stretch my body whenever I felt like it, this is truly listening to yourself. Then I bought into the theory that you take yourself out of delta state when you stretch and move around (I think I have to re-evaluate this).

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Gemstar [no longer around] said Apr 16, 2008, 5:52 PM:

Minor amounts of movement to re-adjust for comfort are probably not going to pull you too far out of delta. If you've become aware that you are uncomfortable, for the most part you probably aren't experiencing a full delta state anyways.

If my understanding of the way Holosync is set up is anywhere near correct, I believe it has been mentioned somewhere that a certain amount of alpha and theta are mixed in with the delta anyways, so you don't completely fall asleep (unless of course you are planning to do that anyways). If you are momentarily pulled out of delta, as long as you haven't disturbed yourself too badly, you will probably re-train back into it within a few seconds, once you are again comfortable. This is why we are asked to sit quietly for about five minutes after each entrainment session, because it does take a while for the brain to re-adjust back to even the alpha state. So it's not a matter that if you move, you will totally lose the momentum.

Seems to me I also read (or heard somewhere on one of the “retreat” CD's) that other than shifting body for comfort, though, you are defeating the purpose of the CD if you are not sitting still.

Cheers!

Gem ~~^v^~~

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claire02 said Apr 23, 2008, 7:11 AM:

Hi,
I have been using Mantak Chia's Taoist The Inner Smile down through my inner organ's while doing the holosync mediation to get out of my head. I understand this does not interrupt the effect. I agree that my liver needs to be defraged too.
I'm beginning my affirmation practice which I include while doing the Inner Smile and came up with an affirmation experience I'd like feedback on, this is new to me in practice. For about a week I was repeating “I magnitize goodness, positive energy, and wealth”. I went into my retail weekend job and things are rather slow when a customer came in with a baggie of samples labeled and numbered. I organized them relabeled gave her a directions page underlined and circled, added samples and sent her on her way when about an hour later I realized that she had picked up the product that I had set down to help her and had put it in her bag. The sales girl and I thought it was something she had brought in and didnt realize she had lifted it. I have observed that by magnitizing goodness, positive energy and wealth I actually got the first outright theft right under my nose in twenty years of retail.
One week later I magnitized hail damage on my house breaking 3 out of 4 skylights, water raining down on my bed, flooding and the destruction of 200 irises and my baby wildflower field with bluebonnets popies daisies,ect., nothing left but sticks. I concider this to be a physical manifistaion of my anger issues.
Any comments or suggestions? I'm a little gunshy.
neophite

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Rai said Apr 25, 2008, 4:17 PM:

claire,

I personally don't like using affirmations, they don't work and cause opposing energy to arise if you don't genuinely believe them.

Here is one of my fav transcripts “Energy is a magnet”:
http://www.eliasforum.org/transcripts/E2227_031707.html

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claire02 said Apr 29, 2008, 1:01 PM:

Rai,
Thanks for this post. Do you just not put affirmations on the levels when you get to them with the holosync?
Ive spend some time at this site and am enjoying it.
Thanks again,
Claire

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claire02 said May 14, 2008, 7:16 AM:

Hi Rai,
Well a new discussion has come up regarding affirmations which your post addressed with me a while back and interestingly enough that is why I came on the blog today. I am getting ready to move to the next level and need to make this discussion. How do you respond to the latest comments? Could the affirmations be more effective with the type of delivery system being used? I wanted to share the program with my son so I would like to do without, but Im also interested the quickest path to self delivery. I have never used affirmations so I dont have any experience with them, but do feel that they may be more efective on these deeper levels than the conscious mind.
Appreciate your views,
Claire02

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Rai said May 15, 2008, 10:55 AM:

Hi claire,

Like I said, to me the subliminal affirmations are a marketing gimmick and a defense so people think twice about purchasing other folk's CDs.

Personally, I would not put affirmations on any CDs. When the mind becomes clearer, you will just naturally gravitate towards being your best version of you, its a continuous flow.

That being said, the choice is entirely yours.

There is alot of good info on this forum as well: http://powerfulintentions.com//forum/holosync/

peace

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claire02 said May 15, 2008, 8:24 PM:

Rai,
Thanks for your info .Ill keep looking.
Deeper & deeper,
Claire

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Roobarb said Jul 23, 2008, 5:11 PM:

Many people have experienced great benefits from using affirmations in this way (and I am not talking exclusively about Holosync), so there is no case for making absolute statements such as they don't work.

It seems they may work for some and not others, or they may work in ways that are not obvious, but yes if you have doubts then do not use them.

I often see people saying I tried X but got Z, why? One of the problems when trying to de-program our stressed minds is that what we think we want in our present dysfuntional mind-states may not actually be what we really need or is best for us. Sometimes we need to be shown the opposite before we realise what we had all along …

There is a 2nd benefit to using the affirmations no-one has yet mentioned. They are recorded using a ramping frequency that is designed to exercise the inner-ear (and there is research to support the benefits of this). This was one of the principal reasons I chose to have the affirmations recorded.

I can certainly accept it is an advantage, from a marketing perspective, to produce uniquely-tailored CDs but I really liked the idea of exercsiing my ears to maintain/improve my hearing. While some may say it is a marketing gimmick, it could also be seen as something people call a personal touch …

P

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seagull said Aug 22, 2008, 6:46 AM:

Hello Paul,

Thanks for your explanation. I have been trying to use affirmations, but always feel anxiety, and even resistance coming up while using them. Like you said, this is probably a case of not knowing what I REALLY want.

Do you have any suggestion on how to structure my affirmations? Also, can you explain how the silent affirmations with holosync help improve the hearing?

Thanks.