Re: Conversations with myself

Elizabeth,

So do you think it's the Holosync program which is causing these conversations with yourself or do you think it's just something you're allowing yourself to do after the fact. I'm starting to wonder if Holosync is just a placebo that people use to explain all the things that happen after starting the program.

I could just as easily say that all of my new insights in life are due to starting the Holosync program, when in reality it's just the usual day to day insights i normally have. How do we measure the results of Holosync?

From what I understand Holosync takes years to complete. I'm pretty sure that each year we will grow in some aspect, especially if we desire it strongly enough to spend thousands of dollars on a program that promises it. I would just like to see more scientific proof or research that validates the claims / results. What do you think? Let me know.

Haelan

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Hi, Haelan!

Yeah, I've had the placebo thought as well… in fact, before I purchased the Awakening Prologue, I spent at least a week looking up everything I could on Holosync.  I found that there were some pockets of negativity, but mostly the responses were positive.  To be honest, I've never been able to really ingest all of the scientific data people present when analyzing a product, so I've mostly gone by recommendations.  And I can subjectively look at my own experience.  If I think it's a bunch of bunk, I can still return it. =)

Actually, that's mostly why I posted the question.  I was trying to determine if anyone else had noticed something similar after starting Holosync.  Is this something others have gone through, or is it my unique manifestation of the “upheaval” people talk about?  Or is it just something that I'm allowing now, and the timing is coincidence?

This is the flip side of my other question, about meditation being the result of a brainwave.  If Holosync is just a really expensive incentive to meditate, and I meditate consistently for an hour every day, how do I know it's different than just meditating an hour without Holosync?  And therefore, do our brainwaves make any difference in the quality of our meditation?

I think Pelle has mentioned something about the scientific data to back it up.  But I can't find it on here right now.

Blessings,

Elizabeth

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Hi Elizabeth:

I cannot speak to your situation of having the conversation with yourself, except to say that it is something I tend to also do often - and I've done it for most of my life, too.  Usually not out in public, although I have occasionally caught myself when someone would just sort of give me a blank stare (deer-in-the-head-light look), and I'd realize I had muttered something not quite under my breath.  If people are honest with themselves, I'm betting most people do this occasionally.  So I don't think you can ascribe it to Holosync.  You might consider that because you noticed it, though, that perhaps it is an awareness (the Witness) that Holosync has allowed to surface.

As to your question regarding meditation:  Having taught meditation for many years before I started using Holosync, and also doing Deep Trance Channeling, I can state with a fair degree of certainty that unless you've meditated for hours a day for many years, you would probably never reach the depth of meditation produced by Holosync, once you've moved a bit further into the program.

With normal meditation, unless you are very seasoned at it, attention slips away quite often from the true meditative state where the brain hemispheres are synchronizing.  With Holosync, that synchronization is forced by the binaural beats - so regardless that your mind may wander a bit, even if you are using meditative techniques with it, the brain synchronization that forces the re-organization and growth of new neural networks is still occuring.

So, if you were to take two meditators of fairly equal status, one just doing normal meditation, and one using Holosync, at the end of six months, the one using Holosync will have gained quite a bit of ground over the one just doing normal meditation.  Unless there is a tremendous amount of “stuff and issues” one needs to clear, most people don't experience undue overwhelm while using it.  Of the over three-quarters of a million people who have used Holosync, it is only a very small percentage that tend to experience problems, and even those can generally be addressed easily with the CRI support people.

In the course of 13 years, Holosync takes the person who may have meditated off and on (admittedly many of us did that, and wanted something more structured, without going to live in some Tibetan Ashram) to a level approximating someone who meditated six or more hours per day over a span of 40 years.  So I'd say there is a huge difference in meditating with Holosync as opposed to just meditating for one hour per day without it.

Hope that helps you a bit to understand what is happening.

Blessings,
Gem

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Hi Gemstar,

You might consider that because you noticed it, though, that perhaps it is an awareness (the Witness) that Holosync has allowed to surface.

Yes!  This rang true for me immediately.  The awareness of the action, not the action itself.

Also, thank you for sharing your insight into the benefits of Holosync, especially as a seasoned meditation teacher.  This is the sort of stuff I'd found earlier that convinced me to order the Awakening Prologue, but I couldn't for the life of me find it today.  (Google has failed me!)

With much appreciaton,

Elizabeth

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Hi Elizabeth,
Gemstar has good information from experience. Bill Harris used to send a copy of his book, Thresholds of the Mind,  with the first set of CD's. If he no longer does, a summary is available at http://www.mindbridge-loa.com/bill-harris.html.

He describes the evidence from which he developed Holosync. He has also been doing this for longer than any of the other entrepreneurs now providing similar products. And, he and his staff tested this on themselves first. In the material that I received in my first package, he explained how they suffered when they attempted to listen for too long or when they increased the strength too rapidly. This is now a system for increasing the ability of the mind to tolerate stress.

My partner and I have noticed tremendous change in our abilities to roll past stressors without being stressed, to creatively problem solve, to remember independent and unrelated tasks, and to recall learned experience when it is needed. I have never been good at noticing intuitive warnings until after I ignored them and suffered the consequences. However, recently, I am hearing and attending to them all. Just yesterday, I had an idea that would have been disasterous if I had followed it, and something told me not to do it, at least not right then. My boss showed up unexpectedly and it would have been horrible if I had been doing anything other than what I was doing!

I am grateful every day for Holosync.

Good fortune with it!

- Nancy

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Elizabeth and Gemstar,

I've only just begun to use Awakening Prologue so it's much to early to say if I notice any kinds of changes. 4 more days until I can use Immersion. I'll keep you posted!!! Btw, do either of you have any links to any scientific research done on binaural beats or holosync? Please let me know. Have a beautiful day…

Hugs,
Haelan

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Hi Hae,

Here's a link to a Wikipedia article on binaural beats,  I think the Centerpointe website has links to scientific articles as well.  Plus, you can google both “binaural beats” and “Holosync”, and surf the less scientific opinions to your heart's contecnt. =)

Definitely keep us posted on how it's going with Immersion!

Blessings,
Elizabeth

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Hi Elizabeth,

Thanks for the links, i'll check them out. Yeah, I'm pretty excited that I get to start Immersion in a couple of days. Did you notice any differences in the session when you went from just listening to the Dive to the Dive and Immersion? Also, have you ever called Customer Support for anything?

Hope you're having a great day.

;p
Hae

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Hi Hae!

When I started Immersion, I did notice that I have a harder time sitting still for the whole session.  But that could be largely in part because it's now an hour, instead of a half hour.  There have been times when I've fallen asleep, and I haven't made it through the whole Immersion.  When I have made it all the way through, however, I've noticed that I have more energy and need less sleep, which is great. =)

I did call customer service when I first got the Prologue, because I had an insistent ringing in my ears.  I talked to a very friendly lady (named Debbie) who said that it wasn't common, but she'd known other people having ringing in their ears.  She said it was most likely my ears adjusting to the binaural beats, and it should die down.  She advised me to go to an audiologist if it didn't die down.  It did die down, though.

Good luck with everything!

Blessings,

Elizabeth

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Regarding the sleep problem. I usually do it at night, after a 2.5 hour commute home. I get up at 4:30am every morning, so, as you can imagine, I often fall asleep. Bill Harris says that this is not ideal, but much of the positive brain changes will still occur.

I find that to be true. I probably miss out on an awareness of most of the exciting stuff that is occuring during Theta and Delta brain wave patterns, but as long as I continue to experience positive change, I'm happy.

I should add that I started ho'oponopono before I started Holosync, so some of the change that I am crediting Holosync with, might be due to the clearing provided by ho'oponopono. This is not an ideal experiment, but as long as I'm growing, I'm happy.

Thanks to you all,

Nancy