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relative strengths of different Holosync CDs?

Kachina said Aug 29, 2008, 1:01 AM:

It is nobodys fault I am sure but I am beginning to feel as though perhaps I am banging my head against a brick wall now.

Thank you for helping Gemma I am extremely grateful just becoming frustrated because even in 2008 with all the recent research findings proving the physical nature of the illness, most people seem to be very confused about M.E./CFS which is a purely organic physical Neurological condition, not only according to my brilliant specialist but also according to The World Health Organisation..

1. there is no question about it, I definitely do not suffer from any type of mental or emotional illness, and this includes depression- depression is an emotional illness and I do not have it.

2. Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, according to my specialist who is quite brilliant in his field, is an organic physical Neurological (brain and nervous system) condition with no emotional or mental components whatsoever.
However, mental or physical exertion DO cause brain damage in sufferers of this illness so mental activities as well as physical activities have to be carefully managed to avoid this.

3. it is not relevant at this juncture, but as a relatively enlightened third degree Reiki Master I am abundantly educated on the subject of the existence of the probable energy/emotional underlying causes of ALL PHYSICAL illnesses so I am aware that on a certain level physical illness often arises from emotional causes in a purely metaphysical way.

2. My choice to undergo years of extensive private therapy 16 years ago was for personal growth reasons only and my mention of it here was to demonstrate that I have already spent a great deal of time and trouble dealing with any old issues I may have had in the past, therefore any possible problems I may have with Holosync are far more likely to do with the exertion involved in using it.

3. My problem with using Holosync is because I have a physical organic neurological condition which is made worse by mental or physical exertion. I am well versed however in the methods of activity management and pacing both mental and physical activities to avoid further brain damage.

4. therefore the knowledge I require is that I will need to know the comparitive amount of mental exertion involved in listening to each of the different CDs I have been sent, this is all the information I will require in order to assist me in scheduling my own activity management programme; which I am expert in doing.

Dive
Immersion
change made easy
Quietude
Oasis
Super longevity.

can anyone possibly provide this information please since it seems that Holosync will not or cannot?

once I have this information I can then make up my own mind and organise my own schedule which I am highly willing and abundantly capable of doing.

can anyone provide this information here?

thank you for helping I am extremely grateful

In lak'ech
kachina

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Re: relative strengths of different Holosync CDs?

davybuoy said Aug 29, 2008, 1:40 AM:

Kachina,

I am in work now so I cannot check, but I received the making change easy CD yesterday and while examining the packaging I noticed there were more detailed instructions regarding how much to listen to the various tracks than I have seen elsewhere.

Regards,

Davybuoy

Re: relative strengths of different Holosync CDs?

Nomaders said Aug 29, 2008, 4:37 AM:

Hi Kachina,

This may sound like a cop-out but I don't think anybody here will be able to say what mental exertion HS will be relative to you. After using the program for over 5-6 years, I still can't say how I'm going to feel after I put the CD in and listen for an hour. I can make a guess because of the history and years of using HS and I've been lucky enough to have very little overwhelm. I still get bits and pieces now and then, but usually when I start a new level.
My only thought is for you to go very slowly, and as you are so aware of the M.E./CFS, peel the onion one tiny thin slice at a time. Be a good slow systematic witness, log what's happening, build a history and then you'll have at least a rough idea of what might happen as you move through the program.

Sorry this may not help much, but hopefully a little.

I wish you a great journey,

Larry

Re: relative strengths of different Holosync CDs?

Kachina said Aug 29, 2008, 5:43 AM:

Thanks for answering folks you are all great.

as usual I think I have not made myself at all clear.

I do understand that people have different subjective experiences of how the cds affect them but this is not what I am getting at here so please let me try to explain a bit better if I can

The CDS are all different so that you can progress as you go up the different levels yes, each level is stronger than the other,
and apparently it is purposely designed that way in that the binaural beats are of a different tone, yes?

It is important because I am told that there are side effects for everybody who uses Holosync and that it would be unpleasant and harmful to rush into the stronger beats too soon.

therefore somebody at Holosync knows the exact relative strengths of the different tones of the binaural beats used on each CD

and someone at Holosync has done the research on this and has has decided that this beat has a stronger effect than that one, and then carefully aligned them so that users can go up gradually from the weakest to the strongest levels.

this is apparently purely objective and carefully decided according to scientific research,

Therfore in the plannint this is not at all subjective to the individual listener, whos subjective experiences I am told is not in the least bit important, and certainly would not be the same for me.

Plus I think that these incidental cds are probably of different strengths also, and somewhere, somebody knows what their designed strengths are, both in relation to each other and in relation to the dive and immersion.

However, if for istance the “change made easy” CD were of a stronger level of binaural beat than “Immersion”, then whyever would there be such a big fuss that you can only use immersion after 14 days of the dive and also only after the dive, and you should only use it a maximum of once a day-
when there are apparently no such restrictions on “change made easy” or “super longevity” or “oasis” or “Quietude” which I understand you can use as often as you fancy using.

so what I am trying to find out, is what the scientific and factual information is about the different strengths of the binaural beats in all of these different CDs

this so I can plan a programme for myself and use the stronger ones less and the weaker ones more, and thus build up far more gradually,

sorry to be so persistent but I am struggling to communicate here and to try and find out where I could get such information since Holosync are so far still not forthcoming;
I cant afford to do this purely by trial and error it could cause brain damage if I get it wrong.

thanks for reading and for bearing with me

In Lak'ech (I am another yourself)
kachina

Re: relative strengths of different Holosync CDs?

polly said Aug 29, 2008, 10:38 AM:

Hi Kachina, and welcome.

I think I hear what you are asking, and although I really am not clued up in this regard, I think you may get some answers over at Transparent.Corp. There are some very clued-up people over there as far as sound waves go, and I am sure someone can answer the question for you. hopefully you can go to their discussion group as I don't think there are any requirements for posting.

Keep at it!
Polly

Re: relative strengths of different Holosync CDs?

Kachina said Aug 30, 2008, 7:33 AM:

I have now got a response from Holosync that I feel I can work with, this has restored my faith in Centerpointe a little at any rate,
Meanwhile I have dowsed to ask what I should do and the answer I got was, I can listen to “the dive” plus any one of the other CDs once per day , all except “immersion” which I should only listen to once every 3rd day, this seems sensible to me. in other words 1 cd plus 'the dive ' per day except every third day when I can listen to “immersion” as well.
ok Cetnerpointes answer was:
“There isn't a specific qualitative number or value I can assign that would tell you how much “mental exertion” you would experience listening to the CDs. The overall potency of the CDs is determined by a number of factors, the chief of which is the depth of the carrier frequency used on a given soundtrack (which determines the strength of the fluctuation produced in the brain). I can assign a rather arbitrary number to each of the soundtracks you listed below based on the carrier sets used, but again - and this is important - that is not a particularly accurate way to describe any kind of “exertion” one might experience when listening anymore because the overall outcome of neural saturation depends on longer-term exposure. In short, you might listen to an extremely potent soundtrack in terms of the carrier set but not notice anything specifically in terms of “exertion.” Working with Holosync is a conditioning process dependent on the act of saturating the brain with enough stimulus over time to cause the system to change and grow - not simply sitting down with a given CD and experiencing some kind of mental exertion. You certainly would not want to arrange your listening schedule according to what carrier set you are listening to. Or more precisely, it wouldn't make much sense to do so, no matter how sensitive your nervous system happens to be. If this is unclear to you, do let me know.

In terms of overall “potency” so-to-speak, you can refer to the following values I've chosen (higher number = more potency)”

Dive = 10
Immersion = 10
change made easy = 7
Quietude = 3
Oasis = 7
Super longevity - 7