Please Help!

Hi Everyone

This is my first post, nice to meet you all! I started using holosync a few weeks ago, the reason I purchased it is because I have anxiey disorder and I think Holosync is my only hope!!

The thing is, the overwhelm is really, really bad, it comes as severe anxiety, that really wired feeling, its pretty scary, I have done a good job of not resisting it but when I am in work its too difficult, so for the last two weeks, Ive just listened on the weekends, and only the dive.

I wasnt expecting to feel blissfull straight away, in fact, I was expecting a period of upheaval for sure, just not as bad as it is now, and I am a little disheartened.

Do you think it will get easier in time? Or perhaps I am not cut out for holosync??

What do you guys think??

Many thanks to anyone who replies.

Re: Please Help!

Hello Jimmy,

I am new to Holosync just as you are, but as a Reiki practitioner I am definitely not knew to the integration process, which is what you are now experiencing.

the short answer is, see it as a good thing because it means that your programme is working and dont worry it will pass.

basically, the problem stems from our being so accustomed to allopathic medicine in my opinion, this is what your doctor practices, where you take a pill and it makes you feel better because it deals with the symptom but not the cause.

with any form of natural therapy, from homeopathy to Reiki, to Holosync, you are experienceing a process which has the potential to deal with the cause, which is good news, right?

But with any natural therapy the only way to do this is to bring out the problems so that they can be integrated, which can be unpleasant for a while but it will pass and you will begin to feel better, as each issue comes up you will feel discomfort of some sort and as you begin to deal with it  you will feel better.

This means that your symptoms will get worse to begin with. The answer is to be very, very kind to yourself. Get lots of rest, drink lots of water, and remind yourself that you are going to be all right and it will pass, eventually you will begin to feel better.

Has Bill Harris sent you a copy of his book yet? If not I think you should get it any day now, it has the answers to this question and more in it.

another thing that will happen I am told, is that we will begin to start “witnessing”, this means that part of us will be able to stand back and objectively see ourselves experiencing whatever issue it is that has come up. It doesnt sound like much, but I understand that it will produce huge changes over time.

If you are only on the “dive' at the moment, and you are already feeling overwhelmed emotionally, perhaps a day off would be helpful? but I am not sure about that, have you considered contacting the Centerpointe support team because thats exactly what they are there for, and I think that they will be able to give you some good advice.

For instance, in your situation I would have thought that it might be a good idea to try some homeopathic remedy for anxiety,  such as bach flower remedies, because this is not a drug but something that will assist the integration process, and something mild like chamomile tea, but  I am also aware that Centerpointe may not think this is a good idea, (perhaps the same goes for any medication you may currently be taking for your anxiety).
I would not like to hazard a guess as to what is the best thing to do though.

If you ask Centerpointe about the homeopathy, chamomile, medication question, I would be very interested to hear the answer.

In Lak'ech (I am another yourself)
kachina

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Kachina

Thanks so much for taking the time for your reply, that was awsome! Such a cool name - Kachina, where is it from? I am one of those people who is desperate to feel happy and contented and would do anything to get there. I have contacted the support centre and they told me to just to the dive for the moment. I actually had a decent experience with it last night. I felt the bad energy this morning when I woke up, as I knew I would, it was very heavy and didnt feel nice, I have managed to not resist / welcome it as much as possible and it has made a difference, I feel a little shift, I will continue doing the dive every night this week and see how it goes, I have a diary where I record my experience, rate the overwhelm etc, I am at the very start of this journey, I really wish I found holosync years ago, then I wouldnt be in the mess I am in, but I suppose I am still young and hopefully it wont matter in time.

Thanks again and talk to you soon.

Jimmy

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Hi Jimmy:

And welcome to our Holosync Group!

We become anxious as a result of part of our brain wanting to avoid the physical or emotional discomforts of possible negative future situations.  It stems from the subconscious mind, using past situations you have faced in life that have been unpleasant. Like an old record album, it has got stuck in that negative groove, so that any future time you are faced with a similarly perceived situation, it hauls out the old programming. Until your brain knows you will be safe, it will operate to either fight with the source of that discomfort or flee from it.  That is why you feel “wired”.

Because the situations in which you are feeling anxious may have nothing to do with the original reasons you sensed anxiety, this can show you where you can have some leverage over the anxiety, to either tone it down a few notches, or eliminate it completely.

A little bit of anxiety can be good, if you use it properly to propel you forward.  A quick technique to assist you in this the next time you feel anxiety follows:

Find the place in your body that you feel the anxiety the most.  Imagine there is a large dial with numbers one thru ten on it at that location.  The “one” represents the least amount of anxiety that you would feel about the situation, and “ten” represents the most.  Decide upon a range of anxiety that you could cope with, for the time being, and deliberately see yourself moving the dial to the lowest number in that range.  That is your set-point.  Then picture yourself performing your work (in this instance) with the dial set at the most anxiety you could cope with, and begin breathing slowly and easily, in and out, using the energy of your breathing to release the built up tension, and watch the dial move back to the acceptable low amount of anxiety you could tolerate to do your work.

If you practice this technique for a few days when you are not directly in the anxiety-producing situation, you will gain the ability to do it quickly, almost automatically when faced with the situation.  Soon, you will find that the amount of anxiety you were feeling for the situation initially beginning to decrease.  You are installing a new program, and gradually moving the stuck needle out of the old groove, and creating a more acceptable level of performance for yourself.

Most people find they can cope with an anxiety level between three and seven, without it severely affecting their performance.  Good athletes use the energy of their performance anxiety to give them energy to propel them thru to excellence.  If they didn't have some form of anxiety, their energy would probably be rather flat.  It isn't necessary, or even advisable, to eliminate it entirely.

So how does all of this work with Holosync?  When you begin using Holosync, it is like peeling an onion.  Those issues that are top-most in your life (anxiety in this instance) tend to be the issues that your subconscious mind will release first.  In the process of doing so, the program sometimes pushes the old programming out where it can be “witnessed” - but until you develop your skills at being the “Witness”, much of this appears as overwhelm and/or resistance.  This is when we feel the program pushing us, and developing tools (as I've shown above) to cope with this change will then allow you to continue to peel the onion with the help of Holosync.

Knowing why you have the anxiety is half the battle to getting it to work for you, rather than against you.  So when you are listening to the Holosync Dive, as you enter into the initial stages of it, bring to mind an instance where you feel the anxiety rise within you, and plant the question of asking the subconscious mind to show you the underlying element(s) of it.  It may take a few times doing this, and you may not be consciously aware of the process, so don't become flustered if you don't seem to be getting any answers.  You will probably get your answer in the form of finding yourself feeling less anxious over a period of time.  That period of time will probably be relative to the amount of time you've done the exercise, so if you are only listening to Holosync on weekends, then it could take a while longer.

Centerpointe recommends a number of different programs to assist you while you are using Holosync, as part of an overall program of self-improvement.  The one I found helped me the most was The Sedona Method .  Another was using the Learning Strategies Corporation paraliminals, which incidentally use Holosync to put you in a more receptive mind level while delivering re-learning messages to the subconscious mind.  The one you would probably want is entitled ”Anxiety Free”.  It isn't necessary to use these additional programs to receive benefits from Holosync - just helpful in accelerating the benefits, in my opinion.

My suggestion would be to use the above technique for about a week a couple times per day, and then gradually start increasing your Holsync listening of the Dive only until you are at a point where you can stay within your acceptable range of anxiety.  You will get about 10 minutes of Delta entrainment each time you listen to it.  Delta is the part that peels the layers back.  When you are finally able to manage the Dive part without feeling unacceptable amounts of anxiety, then proceed with the Immersion part of the CD, perhaps working gradually into it, in ten minute chunks.

There is no race, and if you push yourself beyond certain tolerances, you will possibly do more harm than good to yourself.  Slow and steady.  And certainly keep asking for help - that is, in part at least, what this group is all about.

Cheers!
Gem

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Gem - that was an awesome post, thanks so much for that, great advise! I am very familiar with the sedona method and use it where I can, I actually have that paraliminal cd aswell, when do you think would be a good time to listen to that? Before the dive?

thanks again

Jimmy

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Hi Jimmy:

So glad you are familiar with, and use these other programs! 

First off, since you have the Anxiety Free CD, I'd suggest you go through the instructions in the booklet, because there is a lot of good advice there on how to use it - probably better than I can give you.  Remember, there are two parts - A and B - and they should be used in tandem, but not listened to in the same listening session. From the LSC forums I learned that it is probably best to listen to the CD earlier in the day, rather than at night, as it may tend to keep you awake longer at night while your subconscious mind works with the input.

The other thing to keep in mind is that these CD's do have Holosync on them, so they will contribute, overall, to the total amount of Holosync time (and therefore entrainment time) your brain is receiving on any one day.  Both Bill and Paul Scheele have suggested keeping at least twenty minutes to half an hour separation between any CD using entrainment, to give the brain time to reset between sessions, and thus avoid any nasty headaches or other symptoms of over-stimulation.

Since you are familiar with the Sedona Method, you are then aware that you do have the ability to release the unpleasant emotion or feeling you are having.  We can usually do this to a certain extent, but as long as the subconscious mind feels there's a need to retain a certain amount of the emotion to keep you safe (which is the primary directive, it appears, of the subconscious mind), then using the technique I provided should help you cope with whatever cannot be initially released.  The two techniques are complimentary, so you could use them in tandem, working through the issue that way.  Use Sedona first, and then the dial.

Cheers!
Gem

Re: Please Help!

Hi Jimmy,

Welcome to the pod and enjoy the journey!

Regards,

  Larry

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thanks guys, I think I spoke to soon on my earlier post though, after a 30 minute dive session last night, today I got hit with a wall of depression that has left me absolutely shattered, its mindblowingly bad, it feels to me like I have actually supressed my entire childhood and have been living in a fantasy world for the last 20 years, I dont know guys, we will see what happens when the dust settles on this one, do you think I will feel better when the overwhelm lifts or the same as I was before? Im not kidding when I tell you how bad it is!!

thanks everyone!

Re: Please Help!

Hi Jimmy, and welcome to the pod!

I've just read these posts, and I'm have to say I'm really impressed with your candor and your ability to communicate, even when you are dealing with all of this emotional material.  I think that in itself is a good sign!

My experience with Holosync has been largely positive.  My own anxiety is much milder than yours sounds, but I think I can relate to what you're talking about.  Since I started the program, my core has felt more centered, but my surface reactions have seemed exaggerated to me.  I've interpreted this as me being able to allow my “native” emotional states to come to the surface more easily, instead of me trying to micromanage them.  I don't know if this is all in part due to Holosync, but it is definitely more pronounced since I started the program.  This week at work, I had a little mini-meltdown because I found myself surrounded by too many people, and I had to go to the restroom for a half hour and cry it out.  That hasn't happened to me in years.  However, I really felt good about the experience afterwards, and I didn't spend time getting upset with myself all over again for being “emotional”.  I'm intuiting that I'm ready to release some of my suppression techniques, and perhaps Holosync is helping foster this process.

I'm wondering if you could be using some other forms of therapy, like Kachina suggested.  Have you heard of the Big Mind Process?  It was created by Genpo Roshi, a Zen Master, and it helps people dialogue with different parts of themselves, particularly the parts that have been split off and repressed.  Perhaps you could do a modified version of this with a certified professional, or in your own journaling.  It really sounds to me like the “Anxious Self” is seriously trying to get your attention, and has a lot of stuff to say.  You've already mentioned working on not resisting; that's great!  In my opinion, that's half the work right there.

Personally, I work with a wonderful therapist who helps me reframe my experiences, so I can observe them and communicate with them, instead of enduring them, or acting them out.

Thanks again for sharing your story with us so honestly!  Keep letting us know how you're doing!

Bright Blessings,
Elizabeth

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Hi Elizabeth

Thanks so much for your message and kind words, you guys are very knowledgable, I'll be honest with you all, I am at the lowest point of my life, on one hand I am so desperate to get better, on the other, I barely have the will to live right now. My anxiety disorder is ruining my life, and stealing away all my hopes and dreams, but it gets worse, my doctor took me off paxil, the drug I was on for my anxiety, way too fast and I had horrific withdrawal symptoms, I went back on and have been back on it for nearly 5 weeks and I am still not right, Ive had tremendous support from another website for people coming off paxil and they tell me it should even out between 6 - 8 weeks, it doesnt appear to work aswell now, my anxiety is pretty bad,and I have been on sick leave from a job I love for the last 3 months, I am in such despair, maybe it was a bad time to try holosync with everything else going, I was really hoping it would help me, I sit in my living room wishing I started holosync 5 years when my anxiety was mild, imagine where I would be today, I pray to God to get me out of this, so I can be the man I've always wanted to be, I just cant see any light at the moment. I am doing my best to use the sedona method also and especially to 'let go' of the intense desire I have to overcome my anxiety, its just so difficult at the moment, I wish I was like you guys, happy and contented, thats all I ever dream about!

Elizabeth - is your therapist an actual counsellor or a cognitive therapist?? You are so right about 'my anxious mind', it never leaves me alone, I will have a look at the big mind process.

Thanks everyone for being so helpful and kind to me.

Jimmy

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Hey Jimmy,

I can't speak for the rest of the pod members, but I'm here to tell you that I'm certainly not happy and contented all of the time, and sometimes, not even half the time!  If I may be so bold, it sounds like from your post that you see yourself in one place, and the rest of us in another place, and you want to get from one place to the other.  I spent a great chunk of my life wanting to be happy and contented, and it felt like something I had no access to, and everyone else seemed to be there with no problems.  One of the greatest gifts I've received recently has been to realize that they're not separate places, they're passing states!  There are times I'm going to to feel like crap, and I do, and it sucks.  But there's a relief inherent in the crappiness, because I know it does pass.  Of course, that means there's a certain sadness inherent in my happy times, because I know those will pass too, but they're almost more beautiful because I don't cling to them as much.  Holosync wasn't the catalyst for this realization, but I believe it's been helping me stabilize it and expand it.  I was just so relieved to be free of the faulty perception I was carrying around!

This doesn't speak to the effects of coming off Paxil, or any other prescribed chemical aid.  I'm so glad you've got an online support group for that issue!  But do you have someone you can talk to in person?  Are you working with your doctor closely during this process, and do you trust him/her?  I think it's so important to have someone you can work with in person about all this.  To answer your other question, my therapist is an interfaith minister, and so she can use cognitive behavioral techniques, but that's only one tool in her arsenal.  She teaches meditation, uses Flower Bach Remidies, etc.

Please take care of yourself, and know you've got people thinking supportive thoughts for you! =)

Bright Blessings,
Elizabeth

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thanks again for your reply Elizabeth, I suppose what I mean is I want to be able to cope better with the good times and the bad and not fall apart like I do, when I was younger I had all these dreams about being happy and contented and enjoying life, but I wasnt being terribly realistic I guess! The doctor who took me off the paxil refused to acknowledge that I was having withdrawals, even though I tried to have myself committed and threatened suicide, it was so awful I cant even describe it, its improving slowly but still pretty bad, Its going to take an extraordinary effort to get over this, Im not sure if I have the strength!!

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Dear Jimmy,

I can relate to what you write, because I have also been through some really bad depression last year myself. I also had a lot of suicidal thoughts, but what carried me through it was the knowledge that dying will not solve anything!

It probably sounds strange, but reading a bit about the after life journey and knowing that this (the earth and our physical world) is where we can do the real work helped me to stay determined.

Something else that also helped was getting in touch with the earth. I mean it quite literally. Lie down on grass with palms flat on the ground and send all the negative thoughts into the soil. Do it as long as you need to. It also works great for anger.

Hope this helps.

D.

p.s. Just so you know, this was before I started Holosync (today is my 8th day of Holosync).

Re: Please Help! (pain body)

Jim,
Im not sure about the holosync either in times of crisis.  Since I started one year ago I have broken with all of my life long friends with a looking at myself for the first time pose and it has been ruff.  I have taken weeks off but always come back.  I cant go back again so I go forward.  Things that I did unconsciously I can no longer do, I have stopped drinking.  I feel a bit judgmental and hope this will pass, and very isolated.
As far as your feeling helpless, Im sure this is not the first time for you, but like you, it seemed for me more intense.  My depression was very violent. 
Besides the isolation, the worst has past.  Ive loved what Tolle has to say about the pain body.  I know I came in with a really big one. Tai chi helps get out of yourself.
I would say take a break but keep trying.  Someting will work only if you stick around for it to.  Im waiting out the bad times too.
Good luck,
claire02

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Hi Jim,

It sounds like you are not recieving the medical care that you need. If I were you I would search for another doctor who will give you the kind of help you need and deserve. Putting all of your hope into a technological product to “cure” your anxiety and depression (which you did say is severe), is very dangerous. First off, there is no one there to monitor the results for you and to see if your symptoms are improving or worsening. Second, there is no proof anywhere that Holosync is a cure for anxiety or depression (if there is please post that research here).

Don't give up on the power of conventional medicine. I think the best possible healing is a balanced one - a holistic approach that blends the best of both worlds. Psychotherapy and medication combined with other practices - such as bodywork, energywork, meditation, etc.

Many prayers to you - I understand how hard it is. I overcame my own personal times of darkness through the power of acceptance and being gentle with myself. I know its so cliche but you must love yourself every chance you get. You deserve to be happy and free, for no other reason than that you are a part of God.

Blessings,
Haelan

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Guys, thanks to everyone for your comments and support, was a big help to me, I am a bit more hopeful the last few days, will post here again soon.

Bless You All!

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A Belated welcome to the pod!
All of the above suggestions are great ways to try to reduce anxiety disorder. It's such a catch 22 to try to relieve your anxiety, because just in trying you create more anxiety for yourself. Remember that your brain generates specific frequencies for each mental state you are experiencing. The highest frequency is associated with anxiety. Your goal is to slow down your brainwaves.

This can be done in a myriad of ways. From the list above, I really like the suggestions of (using Holosync, of course), drinking more water, grounding yourself, using the Sedona method, and getting a better medical provider. (also try THE WORK from Byron Katie as another method similar to Sedona)

But no one has suggested dietary supplements. Yes, what you eat does affect how you feel. If you've been trying many different methods to feel better and nothing works, then pay attention to what you're eating. Read “The Mood Cure” by Julia Ross. She explains in depth how to determine which amino acids you have a deficiency of and then shows you how to supplement your diet with the right amino acid for you.
There's a link to it and other helpful books on my recommended reading page: http://www.liveonpurpose.info/booksuggest.shtml