Social Anarchy

It’s a new idea I have. I think it’s what the original intent of the American form of government is supposed to be.

We have the total freedom to do whatever is best for ourselves, whatever pleases us, do whatever we want = Anarchy

While having this freedom, we respect every one else’s well-being and ideas, taking care of each other in peace and harmony. Everyone has enough, what they need, and is provided with acceptance = Sociality

SOCIAL ANARCHY. You can live this in your life right now! It doesn’t have to be a government. In fact, it’s really a state of mind.

Respect others, respect yourself. You can live this by doing the following:

Support A Musical World, Make World Peace within ourselves, Be A Real Patriot and love your country without accepting everything the government wants you to do and says you have to do. It is your job to have a voice if it isn’t doing what you, the people want. Oh yeah, and Stop Global Warming: Use Condoms! :-D

Tell me what you think of this new idea! I am making T-shirts…. ;-)

Love and Aloha,
Jasmine Miranda Crowe

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I want a t shirt…..I think that people that think outside of the box and live their life according to values outside of the mainstream make this happen…..I do this, and I think it unsettles the people that are around me that don't do it a little bit ( I don't mean for it to happen it just does)…..but that is okay, everyone needs there cage rattled a bit….. I do it by not subscribing to a materialistic life style and living with intergity.

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Great idea, So how are going to make sure, everybody does his job 50 hours in the week, and doesn't want more money then someone else?

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Archy means authority and anarchy means absense of (external) authority because we are all authors of our own lives! When we truely realize that, awaken from the dream that the outside world is not independent of our inner world of thoughts, dreams, attitude, beliefs, confusion and chaos….and take total creative responsibility and authority for that then ….

Anarchy brings Heaven on Earth.

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It's not at all that we make sure people do their jobs. We'd do the things we do because we like it and enjoy it. So, if there was a Social Anarchy, we would basically develop our talents in what we love to do, and then contribute that gift we have, sharing it with everyone else. For instance, if you loved to heal people, you could become a doctor. Or, if you loved to play music, you could be a performer and uplift people that way. No one would be forced to do what they didn't feel was best for themselves. Maybe this is idealistic, but the whole point of this zPod is to think GRAND! The best ideal you could come up with! :-)

As for the T-shirts, I'll be sure to let you know when we come out with them! :-D

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” We'd do the things we do because we like it and enjoy it. So, if there was a Social Anarchy, we would basically develop our talents in what we love to do, and then contribute that gift we have, sharing it with everyone else.” ….

absolutely agree with this intent / statement  -  particularly in the context of  - post no taxation without representation style US - democracy  - and the fact that it may be the case that only the US can show the way  through an initiative such as zaadz.

On the other side of the coin, however, the Chinese have planted more trees in the last few decades than every other country on earth put together - as a result of being told that every citizen MUST plant at least 3 trees every year !


Perhaps we should come up with an idea for planting trees which would involve everybody from the point of view of utilising  the skills which we enjoy most using ? 

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I think the next step might be a type of collective consensus. 

Some group might temporarily form itself with the sole mission to plant as many trees as possible in North America.  Once the trees were planted, the group would dissolve so that each member could move on to the next thing they are called to do from within.

A new group might then form to provide stewardship for the trees.  And so on…

The shift here, I think, is away from a collective control model (whether as communism, fascism, or representative republicanism) and towards a self-initiating social fabric that operates on consensus.  The fear of a loss of control is, to my mind, at the root of our current situation.  And this fear has taken on an extreme posture in our case – invasion of a country on the other side of the planet in order to provide protection.

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What I mean by everyone would do what they love to do, if something was needed to be done, we would do it because it benefitted the whole, not just people, but the rest of our environment as well. It would be an intuitive thing, a joyous thing because to help others is to help yourself.

The U.S. is sort of screwed up right now because the policy teaches people that they are separate from everything, that they can do whatever they want at the expense of other people i.e., Corporations, ultimate Capitalism, survival of the fittest, etc. A Social Anarchy combines the individual’s freedom with the overall unity and benefit of the collective. Because We are all One.

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I agree with this concept. I also agree that our control issues are a major component of the imbalance.. and destructive tendencies of larger institutions. We say we are a free country but i think that when you combine the kind of freedom we have here with control issues you get a bad combination of a sort of liscence. Without control issues we, and our systems could be tempered and the kind of freedom we have could be more healthful. I think getting to this kind of social anarchy requires parents coming to a free empassionaed foundation in themselves and then raising their kids so that their kids don't experience that “original fall:, that “original control issue” that then plays out and attracts more experiences like it. If we could plant seeds in kids so that they experience the group as totally empowering to individuality than all these later manifestations of degrading or downer forces would never be later attracted…the type of world these kids manifest could be different..they could experience the group as empowering autonomy naturally wherever they are as an outgrowth of their expectations.. in schools, in work, in group dynamics, etc.

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You are right on dot Jasmine. Most adults are just following the social images, prescriptions or meeting parental or social expectations for what a decent respectable, orderly life is. Making a living than creating a conscious life of your own choosing leads to frustration, stress, discord and disease. It is not the way to be fully alive and live a life of joy.

Many people quit believing in their creative gift or what they love to do, believing they cannot support themselves doing that, or told so by other adults/institutions who have their own images/agenda to push. Social anarchy can bring peace because if people really are engaged in their creative pursuits and loving it they will not have any reason to fight or make war.

Social anarchy does require development of self-trust, self-love, and self esteem and ultimately develop a true sense of Self, Spiritual power and inner authority. Unless we do that we can be forced or coerced into something we really do not like to do.

BTW have you seen this movie?

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How refreshing it will be when we are each contributing from our heart, because we want to, because we are moved to.

How healing it will be when we no longer have concepts of “work” and “hobby,” but when all of our activities are integrated into a balanced whole.

How harmonious it will be when we no longer measure our activites against those of people around us, but have absolute Trust that everyone is following her own highest calling from moment to moment.

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One time i was reading a book about Homeschooling from the “unschooling” perspective, which is a very child-centered, child-directed form of homeschooling.  They talked about the process of transitioning from a convential school to unschooling.  They said that it can take months, up to an entire year, before a conventionally schooled child will be ready to direct his own learning.  The authors encouraged the parents to stick with it and have faith, because the child eventually will become interested in learning, but that it can take a long time at first.  This is just because they have become used to only learning when someone tells them to, and stopping when they don't have to learn.

I think work is the same way.  If we all suddenly stopped “having” to work, I think there would be a huge but unltimately temporary work-stoppage!  When i say temporary, i mean in the grand sense.  Many people who have “had to” work their whole lives, who are deeply trained to dislike the very idea of “work,” will never go back and will sit around until they die.   But, given time, most people would begin to contribute in meaningful ways to society, because it is human nature to do so. 

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Whenever I get asked the question of “What do you think the best form of government is?” I always answer “Anarchy”.  Most people don't understand this, because they associate violence and destruction with anarchy.  I explain that anarchy is simply the lack of government, and the reason that it's the best form, and ideal form, is because: for anarchy to work, that means everyone needs to get along with everyone else and not do things that would hurt or harm others.  If everyone worked together and never did anything bad, there'd be no need for rules and restrictions.  Unfortunately, government and the rules it creates exist because people don't do the right thing, and need to be kept in line and punished when they step out of line.

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Yea I agree With Avychan. There's no way that This Idea of Social Anarchy would be able to exist under any government, Especially not a democratic one. Democracy is about a society where people are doing what they do, wthout even thinking of the people they maybe helping or not helping, all they care about is the Paycheck. I'm not saying that Democracy is bad, but It allows people to become lazy and fall under the wings of society, a rather corrupt society. Social Anarchy would only be able to thrive under a folk society whihc is, A small group of people all working for the betterment of the people around them, no currency, all food is shared, and if someone needs a house, they give them a house. It's like Omish, but without religon. What I mean to Say from all this is that For anarchy to be present, any anarchy, Social or other wise, Society must be brought down, or a new society must be created. And I'm all for starting a new society, but it would be terribly difficult to do this anywhere that has as closeful an eye as the US and Canadian Governments. A place like Brazil would be more appropriate.

So keep on fighting for your Cause, If anyone's up for starting a new Socialized Anarchal Based Society, Count Me  In :D

Peace and Love,

Court

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Hi Jasmine,

Respect yourself & respect others is fine. And usage of condoms also. ; - )

But why love your country? Why limit yourself to the political boundary created by human beings? Why not love your planet? Why not do this in 21st century? Why should we keep these stupid idea of nationality when the world is becoming smaller & smaller?

much love, Rohit

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I totally agree! One love!

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Oh I totally agree!! :D It’s just that with the love your government thing, I was referring to a particular notion people have in America today that loving your country means complete loyalty to the government. They think that if you speak out against the government you are being unpatriotic, but that’s not true. By speaking out against the government in America, you are exercising your original rights in order to be free in your country and make sure your government is representing the will of the people. Personally, I feel we should do away with countries and be of one world. That would be wonderful! And that’s what Social Anarchy is about, a collective world of ONE.

:D

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Political Dissent is Being PATRIOTIC!
Heather
www.badkitttyartstudio.com

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Hi Jasmine,
I have said elsewhere that nationalism is the biggest block to peace. Politicians use nationalism and patriotism to further their own warmongering. They also use the flag - just see how much more the flags of the USA and Australia appear behind politicians etc. in recent years. The size of the flags have increased significantly too. All clever manipulation!
Thank goodness for thinking people!!
Ian.

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When I saw the Austin premier of America: From Freedom to Fascism, during the section near the end of the film, where the words CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE were projected in large type filling the screen, the entire audience cheered. There was definitely a feel of social anarchy in the theater that night.

Not knowing the exact difference between civil disobedience and social anarchy, I just checked wikipedia for a quick hit and found this very interesting article about a supposed socially anarchistic free colony forged by pirates in the 1600's and lasting for about twenty five years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertatia

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A collective world of ONE  -  Bravo and well said young lady - thankfully my three children and their partners feel the same way - and I only have to wait 6 years for my oldest grand-son to be 15 and express himself as you do - or maybe he'll just turn out to be an olympic swimmer or something similar !  -  the very best of everything for your creative path to the future.

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I used to live down the street from this school.  www.social-ecology.org is the link.  They don't say they are anarchist, but they actually are.  My roommate was an employee of theirs, and I knew many students there.  You might want to check them out, if only to see what others are doing on this subject.

=^)

Blessings, Surya Chandra

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Just curious as to who would police those individuals who are intent on harming others?        ie; the KKK, Neo-Nazis, severly psychotic and violent individuals, etc, etc.

Any thoughts?

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Kunzang,

For an entire group of people to accept such a propostion as Social Anarchy, The well being of others would also need to be respected. There is no bigger police force than the General Public.

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Ah Alas,

It seems only a dream. Have you studied Dr. Don Beck's Spiral Dynamics? Very interesting stuff. Ken Wilber goes into it in his book Theory of Everything. Your idea seems fine for a place on-line such as this. But out there in the world… I think it'll be a long time until  people will actually be able to function on such a high moral level. Without basic laws to protect people I think it would end up a little messy. For example, if I decided to kill someone, what would the “General Public” do? Would there be a governing body? If so, where is the anarchy?


Two Cents.



K.

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I agree with you tottally. But the theoretical position that we're in, being Social Anarchy, would be completely Messy in real life aswell. It looks excellent in theory, but it would require the vast majority of the world to start thinking to even consider such a proposition as Social Anarchy. The reason it works on Zaadz Is that the vast majority of us on here are thinking. And for the if you decided to kill someone situation, Under the perfect conditions that are social anarchy, people would be too afraid of exile from society to do anything. Alot like the way ancientn Folk Socirties worked.

Another thing, for people who aren't thinking, Social Anarchy would tottaly look like a step backward, Yes?

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I personally think of it as a good fantasy. Storybook stuff. Hope this won’t hurt anybody’s feelings but anarchy has never really worked. We’ve always come up with ways to regulate. The universe is a self-orginizing spirit ever evolving in new and novel directions.

Even just to say,” hey, isn’t this great, we’re living in social anarchy” would be to govern the idea. It just doesn’t work.

I’m more interested in Ken Wilber’s idea of a “World Federation” where those leading humanity are what you’ve termed “thinkers”. People at a high level of awareness who recognize individual rights, whilst also recognizing the need for laws which are used to protect peple and the enviroment etc. A committee of sorts, that would also be able to work on bulding a global infrastructure that would solve alot of the horrific problems facing the world. Some people get scared of this idea and regard it as a Big Brother scheme but I think we could develope something much more evolved and compassionate than that. Just look at Zaadz and what we’re able to accomplish here. As Wilber points out, this probably wouldn’t happen for at least another hundred years or so, but the vision is a powerful one.

So no anarchy for me thanks. I’m free to think and I’m free to be. But although I may be Alone, I’m not alone.

Samantabhadra.

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Ooo, Very Star Wars-ezque, I like it.

As to Anarchy being a fantasy, I personnally agree with you that at this very moment, Yea it's impossible. But I beleive that Society will eventually evolve to that level plain of sorts. Kinda Post- Humaniary Evolution, but more of Post Society Evolution. But I don't think we as a society have even reached a peek of our Physical Societal Evolution, as to say, we haven't come to a place where we can freely add to our society, or governing systems.

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I want to say that I have enjoyed the ideas of everyone in this thread (and, of course, Jasmine's imaginitive, intelligent thoughts… …not to be favoristic).

I think that when the intention is to converge on a realized social balance, it is definitely necessary to take into consideration all of the realistic dynamics involved.  One thing not to be forgotten, though, are the myriad contributions to be lovingly, consciously made by we, the people.
While many are realizing their poetry through swimming, music, technology and other things, it is conceivable that some with find poetry in violence.  Having arrived to the present moment on Earth, though, from a world culture that has made much time contemplating the essences of moral activity, I think it is safe to stipulate that a considerable portion of the people in an anarchistic society would realize their bliss by finding a way for the poetry of their bodies to maintain a modicum of safety in society–e.g., martial artists.
I do hesitate to make use of neither term: martial, nor artist.  Hypothesizing, though, a society of cultural/collective consensus, it is realistic to think of these people who would be protecting us from violence as practioners of (for lack of any better term) Dharma.  That is, people would make it their very personal (and collective) business of living compassionately and thinking and acting dynamically for living a life of love and harmony.  I suppose to gather a clear idea of what I imagine, one could think along the lines of Japan's samurai… among a society that has seen social dynamics, philosophical value systems (both successful and failed), law and order enforcement strategies, chemistry class, et cetera.
It is a niche, to be concise, that I feel could be filled.

I do make time envisioning a beautiful and healthier world, and how to get from here to there peacefully.  I agree that it cannot realistically happen at this moment.  I am not so sure, however, that the power inherent in inspiring people cannot be tapped in a benevolent way for us all.  Many beautiful songs have been written, books have been read, and films have been made, and they continue to inspire people to focus on the very many beautiful aspects of Life and Self, and I believe it is valid.  However, the people of the world are really just now waking up to even the very idea of maturity.  I advocate patience in waiting for the day when we all may be holding hands as sisters and brothers of ONE world, and I believe it can be so, with all of may Being.  At the present time, I also advocate dedicating our precious time to “practicing” what we each love to do, at least when we can, because doing those things honestly does no end of good in the world, in the way of making each day beautiful!

Maybe we can even inspire our world communities, without any kind of unnecessary panicking, to provide aid to the people of many nations without making a mess of taking excessive control, or spoiling the precious relationships that we all hold dear, in some light.  To take humanity forward from the present moment in such a way would make me so happy!
It would be like a REALLY STUPENDOUS BONUS!!

Best wishes to each of you, and thank you for how you inspire me.
: )
Cordis

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I love this thread! The world would definitely be a better place if we could all live like this every day. I truly believe, and have for some time, that anarchy can lead us all into a peaceful revolution. If we all turn from big corporations, grow our own food, and learn to trade and barter again, we can change the world. I stopped buying anything but local items about 1 1/2 years ago, including items for my business, and I feel more free than i ever have. Never having to step in another Wal-Mart or Sam's Club was my biggest hurdle. I felt guilty everytime I was there, and it seemed like I was only contributing to an out of control capitalist network  that i could not be a part of any longer.

I have shared these ideas many times with my closest friends. Some think anarchy is a negative term, associated with violence. But in a true sense it is everything I have read here. It is nice to be a part of an online community where we can speak of these things without judgement, and with open hearts and minds.

I think these ideas are all incredible, and I look forward to sharing more with all you like minded zaadsters.

Namaste,

Heidi

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Your enthusiasm is very encouraging, and generally appreciated here, I am certain.

I live in my hometown in North Carolina now, but a small number of years ago I relocated to the Pacific Northwest region, and eventually involved myself in the youth culture there.  Beforehand, it had been only something I heard about on the radio, through songs, and play in my own imagination about the people there.  (It really reminds me of young children 50, 60 years ago, listening to stories of heroism over the radio!)  I lived in Portland, Oregon for just less than two years, and I learned about anarchism and self-sustenance/trade culture, and met people whose dedication for life was palpable…  Something pretty much entirely outside of my experience!
It's been three or four years now, and the feeling I discovered there, when it arises, as just now, still has it's own way of literally bringing tears forth for a genuinely wonderful moment.  It's all of you; all of us.

It's comforting to know that there is support for humanity taming capitalism and commericalism.  I am writing from the USA, and to witness shining-through of the honest nature of human heart and mind here is truly something I personally cherish to behold.  Something about it reminds me of “charnel grounds practice,” as it is referred to in this Zaadz interview of Zen priest Fleet Maull, and of his personal success emerging from his time in prison through Dharma practice.  I myself took up employment with Wal-Mart for some time in order to discover and face its true reality.  Local exchange is part of what allows the beauty of Earth's locales to shine, and it is definitely smart!

You expressing yourself is actually something to be grateful for.  So, I thank you sincerely!  Namaste.

Respect,
Kind regards,
Peaceful wishes and… hugs for all!

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 A common misconception of the original intent of the gov't of the U.S. is that is was meant to benefit all. It was designed by rich aristocrats to benefit the upper classes, about 5% of the population. The poor suffered just as they do today, even starved to death under this new system. When a small percentage owns the majority of wealth, only the upper class benefits.
The idea of social anarchy is wonderful and is in operation most of the time. Our governments really only exist in the minds of those who follow it, the rest of the time we operate independently in anarchism, which is beautiful. We don't need any peacekeepers in every public place, for social anarchy means peace and cooperation, which comes naturally to most. It is natural law. People are basically good.
Quantum physics and spirituality says we are all literally One. Countries and borders are simply constructs of our imaginations, our fragmented minds. They reflect an obsolete paradigm that is from the fragmented minds of the past, they simply show who owned what. Today we need to cast out that old paradigm and follow natural law which means to understand that patriotism is also obsolete and keeps us divided in a “us vs. them” mentality. It is time to evolve or die, for our species simply cannot survive much longer in a mindset of division and fragmentation. We need to understand that we ARE one, and live accordingly, in peace and harmony, with social anarchy the law. Peace does start in each of our hearts and it will spread like a disease if allowed to. We should stop imagining our governments and imagine Oneness………peace!

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I remain at my initial opinion. Social anarchy will only work, when people are no longer selfish. Which means, that there is no more war, no more hunger, no sadness and no more doubt. When that scenario comes to take place, I can hardly call it anarchy.

Cause how do we know what is best for ourselves? If nobody gives us feedback? How does a pedophile now he is wrong, without the law, if he thinks that is best for him? How can we eat until we are no longer hungry, while we will probably take other people's change to eat just like that. (there simply isn't enough food for such a lifestyle for seven Billion people)
How can we do what we want, if nobody tells us, that we might endanger other people, while otherwise we'd only learn from the mistakes made. How do you know you do not affect other people's wellbeing? If there are no laws to tell you? How will you let someone who is 200 pounds, take 'only what they need'? without obstructing its (physical) will for more?
How can you be a patriot, If you do not have a country? (remember - no governement - anarchy - no borders - no country) How can you use condoms, if your boyfriend ever refuses to use one?

Social Anarchy, or any anarchy in fact doesn't last long. There will always be a leader, as longs as people are selfish. And people are selfish as long as they are animals. And that, might just never change. Hic est obstandum

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This whole concept of Social Anarchy only exists, as I beleive I have said before, If everyone in that world has somehow hit a state of enlightenment, even if only on the lower levels. This whole idea is thrown out of the window because, unless you want to start a commune, will not work cause no one is born enlightened. It happens gradually. Most don't even reach that state. I'm only 16 and I believe I'm closer to enlightenment than my parents are. So, unless we eventually evolve into this new state of instant fufillment, than Social Anarchy ceases to be. Like any societal construct, it won't work.

Peace and Love,

Court

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The whole concept of Social Anarchy at the moment is for us to practice in our hearts, minds, and actions. Promote freedom, peace, love, respect, and appreciation. Create “Social Anarchy” it in your reality. In the gov. it would not work at this point in time. But we can still do it ourselves by the way we live and smile upon each other. :)

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A t-shirt would be nice. It is a great way of conducting ones life and is naturally a great way to live. The problem lies really in those that don't agree with what one does and will always cause conflict. For example the pro life and pro choicers. Morals sometimes get in the way, speaking out may well be what you wish to do, but when does it cross the line and become something wrong?