Integral Institute: forever unclear on the concept

The recent and ongoing dramas at I-I have finally pushed me over the edge, and I've written a couple of posts over there in response.

This one on the ridiculous survey they just sent out (but only to a select few, including Arthur but not including me) and this one on the poor management at IN/I-I.

Feel free to discuss this here or there. I will be reading both forums.

Liz

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Yeah, I just saw your open letter to IN members. I think it's important that people receive the kind of information that you spelled out. I have a link to I-I Zaadz beneath my Multiplex posts nowadays People deserve to know that there is a turquoise moderated forum.

As for the survey I received it by mail. My guess is that I-I membership means that you get the survey, but IN and/or ISC membership is not enough. Kind of weird decision (if that is true) since it would be important to know what IN/ISC members would want in order to upgrade their subscriptions to full I-I membership.

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Honestly, the boneheadedness of that just blew my doors off.  I hope they get an overwhelming response from everyone.

Liz

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Well, we got, Rob Smith, the new CEO's attention.

Interesting, check out his post history; screen name evansridge: http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/10401.aspx

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I don't know that the link points to what you want, Tim. I got an old thread with nothing new on it and no sign of evansridge.

Thanks for your impassioned response on IN. I thought I'd be an MGM crucifixion judging by the first responses. God, back in the day, there'd have been 10 pages by now!

This has been good for me. The emotional responses I've had have shown me that I need to be far more serious about my practice.

Liz

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Liz, Tim, Arthur and all,
Jesus Amazing Christ,

I don't even know what to say. So, i'll just keep it simple and simply say what is TRULY the only thing going on in my mind………
“Brilliant and beautiful people.
I Love you All!”

Love
Noms

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Nomali, you never know when what you do is going to be vitally important to people. We've all had those moments when someone will do just the right thing at just the right time, and it's a lifeline to us. This is what you did for us, threw us a lifeline. You can't know what it meant, or you'd be unsurprised at the outpouring of love for you.

I believe that these spontaneous right-action/right-time events are the result of acting from our highest self. (Sounds grammatically incorrect, but there is only one true self. ;o) ) We're doing nothing more than taking care of our Self when we are supporting you, Nomali.

Liz

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Liz, your open letters to I-I seem to have worked!

There is already a new moderator over at the Multiplex, directly appointed by I-I and who will spend two hours or more online on a daily basis.

It won't undo the wrongs done to Nomali, but it appears that I-I finally is listening to its forum participants.

Pelle

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We'll see. I'm open to the idea that change is possible, but I'm not inexperienced enough to get excited about it.

Sorry to rain on your parade. I'll be happy to pop the champagne (or gluten-free beer) when the forum returns to health. I'm just not holding my breath.

Liz

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Understandable. But this is good. The post I pointed to shows that Robb is the guy who started the “Major I-I Frustrations” thread back on Oct. 2. This says something, no?

more later

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I have a good feeling about this Robb guy. If he can't do a good job then it must be Ken himself who sabotages the organization.

So I'm still happy.

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By the way, Noms, thanks for the elephants! They fit in the house and don't make a mess either. :-)

I am with Pelle. I have a good feeling. First, because of the post I mentioned and it's entire context (directed at former CEO, and right around the 'falling apart” days).

Further, I had a good feeling yesterday when this started. I mentioned the advertising stink we made and how it eventually got taken care of. I just had a feeling that would happen again if we made enough of a stink. (So my plan was to write directly to “the new CEO”-testing the waters for communicability-and accountability-and say things like “rat's ass” and threaten to shit bricks. ;-) )

It will take a lot to build things into something new and anything like it was, or perhaps even better, but I do have a good feeling. He answered my request to the letter and made sure to note it (i.e. moderation with genuine inside connections). He also acted on this ASAP. (I sent my post at about 12p.m. Boulder time, his answer and solution was there at 8:00a.m.! That deserves notice.)

So we have to give them a chance and help them out as much as possible.

Listen, I'll be frank.  I don't know what other kinds of communications went on behind the scenes, say, in Dec., Jan, but the fact of the matter is that, in my turquoise opinion, (yes, I just said that) certain former CEO's just were not truly interested in the genuine Integral Vision. It was misguided and off from the start. (hark back to the advertising. no it's not, in the end, a big deal, but it was a very telling early sign of the mentality going on behind those scenes.) In fact, I'll be even more frank with a personal bitch that has bothered me in other circumstances but in this case is especially marked: One certainly should read more than something like 1 1/2 Ken Wilber books before believing that they have some handle on AQAL Integral. Don't get me started on saying anything else about that … (Except that I just simply love folks who offer serious criticisms and then disclose that their reading cannon consists of half the preface to a book about Ken Wilber by some already estranged moron from the 1970s. Like I said, don't get me started.)

Anyway, my personal view-with of course the limited perspectives that I have had available over the past 9 months or so-is very simply that faulty leadership (as in, former appointed interim CEO's) turned simple growing pains into literal death spasms.

I am optimistic that that wont be happening again. And besides, “WE” are in this all together and so we should always offer whatever support we have to give, which, of course, I know all of you do and will do and have done and will do again (and tht's what started this anyway) and always from your very highest self.

Last note. I haven't spoken to Nomali personally about any of this. But her public perspectives (on the blog) do offer temper and challenge to some of the -especially Liz's-very strong views about her lay off. Is it necessary to continue making an issue out of that? Or is it possible to put that into proper perspective and let it go? This is a question. Noms, perhaps you will speak of this here. (Also, forgive me that I have not been as active on the forums these days as usual; so I certainly might have missed something.)

Okay, Peace
Tim

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Hi, Tim. I'm done making a stink about Nomali's firing. It's really about the underlying issues, which remain, IMO. I am happy to be proven wrong someday.

Liz

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Gottcha'. And I do understand and support you on that. We remember, it takes both Eros and Agape, which is to, in this case, say: It takes both strong initiative … and some angry bitchers waiting to make sure it's done right. :-)

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Hi Tim and others,

I never expected anyone to make a big issue out of my being laid off.  I just wanted to say Good Bye because I had made lots of quality friendships and connections through my whole history at II/ISC. And then, since ISC.org was launched mid last year, I had gotten crazy-attached to the online community.  Secondly, I wrote the letter to create some closure - mostly, for myself.  At the end of the day, I am not sure what exactly is the 'proper perspective as there is more than one.  And there is also much that you don't know and never will, too.

But No, I never thought this will turn into such an 'occasion.' I used to literally beg last year at staff meetings asking people to meet and connect with the online community. No one really listened to me. But the seeds were beginning to fall in at least a few people's ears and with everything that has been said in the multiplex and personal emails to Robb and Ken from at least one staff member and Arthur have finally got the necessary attention. If nothing, I am proud that my laying-off finally jump started the process of II finally listening to it's, in my eyes, second most valuable asset. YOU ALL!

All I know is that I have been so very deeply touched but also SURPRISED by the incredible amounts of loving support I got from so many people.  My experience with the lay-off was sometimes anger but mostly just very, very deep sadness and rejection (sure, I need to do 3-2-1 with that). I have on many occasions wondered why this was hard - to simply put it behind me and forget about all that. I told this lady, Beth, whose house I live in that I am sure I will be just fine. It is just a job. I'll get over it.” And she immediately said, “But this has never been just a job!” That is exactly true, guys. She knows my personal journey. And II/ISC was like my utter heart and soul (and remember, I was not just doing forum work - I spent way more time and energy on other work).

It has NEVER been 'just a job.' (and this is true for almost everyone at II and even truer for most of the folks that have left II) In a way, most of you have not experience that strong sense of zones 3 and 7 at II. The reasons why we all got attracted to this 'integral' trip is never easy to explain, never easy to begin, never easy to let go just because it is gloriously complex. The Love overpowers everything else even if it is sometimes a right royal mess…So, I don't know how to logically have one or more perspectives that would make sense to all of us and certainly myself. I am probably sounding quite silly here. Forgive.

I am forever grateful for the love that came my way through YOU ALL, ISC teachers/guests/friends and of course a very few II staff members. If not for that, I would have been a very, very lonely woman. And that IS because; none of this was ever just a job. There is a VERY exquisitely special something that I do not know how to explain away.

I am also a very realistic person. I WILL move on. Much of me already has, because some beautiful doors have opened for me and I am SUPER excited about these new developments that many of you will at some point find out about.

But, no, again, I never expected anyone to make a fuss about my lay-off. But I think that, that happened. If anything, I do think that some good has come out of it for the larger community. And I say “YEAH!!” to that.

Thanks All,

Nomali

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I hear you Nomali.

And give yourself some time. Changing lanes is not something that is done overnight. At least that is my own experience.

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Hi Nomali,

What I meant by “proper perspective” is basically twofold. In the first sense, that there really is or has been a “new door” waiting to open up for you and despite how things might appear presently, this is your life, you're life's course and spirit said “New things are coming and it's time.”

Reading your latest blog post, I am very excited for you that maybe this is so! Of course change is never easy -or should I say “death?” is never easy- but like you expressed I do have that faith that so long as a person is not way off course spiritually (in all senses) the Kosmos does know what it's doing, even when we don't- that is, know what the Kosmos is doing, with us, with anything. (The hardest transitions in my own life have always eventually shown this to be true.And I do think it is even true-er when we trust in that, and trust in our own abilities to co-unfold with that, like you do with both of those.) Again, I am very excited that this may be so for you! You're so dynamic and … Nomali-ish,  ( :-) )I'm sure the Kosmos if fixin' to use you in a lot of special ways that we can not even imagine, like it already has.

Then, of course, the second fold of the potential “proper perspective” in the way that I meant it (with no indication that these are all the potential perspectives), would then be the question of whether or not, for whatever reasons (some, perhaps, which you very practically and matter-of-factly cited), this was, at this time, a necessary move for I-I. That would be “proper” in service of it's own Kosmic unfolding-which in some respects is of course, various material concerns.

So, that's what I mean. As a multiperspectivist I understand the outrage perspective (and offered my . . urm . . humble contribution), but I hear you when you offer the perspective that this may just be the Right thing. (or at least best, or in the end a good thing, etc. you know …)

Naturally, there are multiple other possible perspectives, but those are the two that I meant. And yes, I did mean this in a certain sense of suggesting that maybe … . we don't have to storm I-I with our torches and pitchforks and battering-rams, when considering the possibilities in the grander Kosmic scheme of things (and of course I am speaking to all of us here). Even if at least some kind of mistake had been made (for which, … don't get me wrong … my torches and pitchforks and battering-rams are always held ever at the ready!!! - where are the emoticons here! I need an appropriate humor/seriousness inducing emoticon! I'm an actor for heaven's sake! Where's the emoticons!).

Now I'm babbling. Nomali, you will continue to change and be a Light to the world, just like you already have.

Blessings and Peace,

Yer Pal,

Tim

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Tim asked: “where are the emoticons here! I need an appropriate humor/seriousness inducing emoticon! I'm an actor for heaven's sake! Where's the emoticons!”

Several are available at the Smilie Treasury thread …

Mary

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Tim, how on earth are you so good?! ;-) Love you, Tim. Just so it is clear, i was not offended by your “proper perspective” comment although i may have come off that way). I do admit to being hyper-sensitive lately but yes, i am also probably the most broad minded person i know ;-) (hee hee!! - you are right. Zaadz needs emoticons!) Life sure does go on. And as far as being braod minded,  you come so close! i am afraid you might take some of the shine off my boots :-)

Big Heart, Big Love
N

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Liz was on her first conference call with Ken today, and I got to listen in (and participate a little bit).  During the call Ken summarized what I was telling him in the previous call, demonstrating that he did, in fact, hear and get what we have been telling him; and in the course of his summary, much to my delight he mentioned Nomali as being the only one who got what the forums were about.  It felt very validating, and I felt happy to have my friend Nomali's vital role acknowleged in that way.  It is unfortunate that I-I and Nomali have had a parting of the ways, but in the process the information flow between I-I and the forums has increased, and some of the group shadow has been dragged screaming and whimpering into the light.  At this moment I feel cautiously - very cautiously - optimistic.  And I have faith that this is unfolding as it must, and hope that it will turn out very well for both Nomali and I-I in the long run.

I also feel that although Integral Naked and IIzaadz are going their separate ways at this time, we are still united under a common cause. and we still, deep down, feel the beat of the same integral heart.  It seems that most of the old-timers who are still affiliated with I-I have largely shifted their time and attention to IIzaadz; and zaadz has brought many fresh and wonderful voices to this wespace.  Meanwhile the Multiplex forums have a chance for a new beginning.  I truly believe that all involved in either forum, or in I-I, or who have left I-I, are acting in good faith, with heartfelt conviction that something important is going on here, and with a fervent desire to help humanity and the kosmos take the next step.  Let us each do what we can to carry the integral vision forward.

We are siblings and will sometimes fight as such, but we're all part of the same family when all is said and done - and that family reaches out to the planet and the universe (“one song”) as a whole.

with love,
arthur

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Yes, it was good to hear Nomali's name. It did seem like Ken truly got it, which was a bit stunning, actually.

I, um, did not turn into marshmallow completely however, as I told Ken, “I'll be watching you!” Honestly, I was shocked at my own candor. I had a few other good points to be made, and I used the example I'd thought of earlier, which is that the IN forum felt like my old grade school. I loved going back to visit, but I didn't think it was really useful for me to stay. He seemed to accept this. Saying “no” to Ken , even in a roundabout way, is quite difficult.

But I don't want anyone to think that this was all there was on the call. The seven of us were talking for almost 5 hours. From what I understand, the vast majority of that will be available for listening when it's edited.

Cool note: it didn't feel like nearly 5 hours at all. I must have been really in the flow, because it seemed like 2 hours or so.

Liz

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We are siblings and will sometimes fight as such, but we're all part of the same family when all is said and done - and that family reaches out to the planet and the universe (“one song”) as a whole.

I love it. Totally agree and feel the same. I wrote three pages the other night and that was just about exactly what they said. The force behind all of this is just the interior force of a desire to make the world a little more whole. And that's what we're here for.

I want t add that when Liz said Ken “I'll be watching you” it was not in any way harsh or combative; it really felt like sister talking to a brother, with a glorious “we” space opening up.

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you guys are so funny (and, ok, i also suck at compliments). Actually, I listened to the call because I wanted to hear Liz.  Who was that man rattling on and on and begging Liz to stay? I did hear him suddenly refer to someone who had the same name as mine! wow! Strange, no?

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Ken is my bitch. Bwahaha!

Liz

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Don't turn your back on her, Ken.  Unless, y'know, you're into that scene. 

arthur

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Enough!

 

No flirting! No Friendships! No Cliques! No happiness, no smiling! No speaking out of turn, no sex jokes , no images, personal compliments, no colorful metaphors and no fun! And all naughty children go stand right over there in the corner where we will deliver your regular paddling!

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Paddling? Really?

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Me first! Me first! I've been a very naughty girl.

Liz

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Um …er … NO . . that … notwhatImeant!


Hey, I'm glad you put that pic back -that is, the one for your avatar. I always loved it …

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Great thread everyone.  Nice to see what a thriving community II-Zaadz has going on.  As former Member Services manager at I-I, I'd just like to relate a quick story about when I took over the position.  When I came on to handle customer service at I-I, it took me roughly two months to even somewhat clean up the many technical and customer support open loops that had needed to be closed, some well over a few months old.  Once I had completed cleaning up issues that had existed before I even took the position, I was then able to start being proactive, answering tickets in hours not days, adding phone support, creating email as an additional method of communication, and trying to add some professionalism and processes to the department.  To some, Member Services may have sucked and not fulfilled everyone's requirements for good customer service (we were still actively working how to best move forward with the forums stuff when I left).  But regardless of the problems, I'm damn proud of what I did in my short time there and can confidently say I worked my ass off.

Now I say all this because I see only one perspective on I-I's other CEO being represented here.  He wasn't perfect, I'll be the first to admit that.  But I feel his situation was similar to mine: you don't worry about installing new telephone lines and planning a block party when your house is literally burning down.  First you put out the fire, then you start adding things.  Whether or not the public perception was that he cared about community, it was actually really high on his list, which I can personally testify to.

So anyways, I just needed to honor that perspective.  From what I hear a lot of great stuff is happening and about to happen at I-I, and I wish them the best.  However lets not forget that more than one fireman charged into that burning building, and just because the first got burned, (maybe for charging in a little fast) it doesn't mean he didn't try as hard.  There were just some damn big flames, and while some of those were still raging when he left, he also put out a lot of smaller flames that the next firemen didn't have to worry about.

cheers everyone!
jason

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Jason thanks for that wonderful post and for sharing your perspectives.

One perspective I have personally had all along, though I don't that I've ever expressed it outright, is that it's not always so much that community needs to be cared for, but that a snippet of info here and a snippet of info there leaves so little to go on, and a lot of room for speculation in between. One can only draw conclusions based upon the information they have.

For example, Einstein noted how in (especially) cinema, there is shot A and then shot B. The two shots could be completely unrelated, but because they are put together the mind immediately imagines or creates a story, a relation, or something that makes the two fit together.  So much of what is in the art of cinema, is these types of stories created not literally on screen, but within our minds, and that's a good deal of the movie.

In real-time, in real-life, the same thing happens, especially with things that we care about (and are so prone to going to be thinking about a lot and trying to figure out). So if a community gets some information here … and then six months later gets some information there … what happened in the middle is going to beg to be “filled in” and it may be accurate or not -and that's the trouble. I think an organization with such a surrounding personal cultural interest as I-I (and I can't think of anything else to compare it to in this way, it's seems completely unique) should really take seriously the drama that can unfold if people simply are not given a regular and accurate enough stream information. So in other words, we know I-I's busy, but a simple even executive type of letter would help dispel a lot of potential misunderstandings and imagined dramas that are not necessarily in alignment with the accurate reality that is happening between “shot A” and “shot B.” Again, I don't know that any other organization is going to be having quite exactly this type of problem as I-I, because it is so unique.

This is all just offering of perspective, maybe I'll add more later.

Thanks for sharing.

Peace, Tim

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dude Tim, 20 points to you for working Eisenstein and soviet montage into that post!  I'm a bit of a film geek myself.  ;^)

thanks for your thoughts man!  I can only imagine how frustrating its been for all of you in the non-boulder community the last few months, though it seems like some of the I-I folk are finally waking up and posting more on the forums and hopefully here on zaadz too.

jason

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Hee hee. Yeah, if you can include Einstien to make you point, things are looking good, especially around here. :-)

Just the slightest amount of info can help along the inevitable mental movies from turning into “mental movies gone wild.” (although, hey, ya know, sometimes that's fun …)

Thanks again for your participation in this tetra-created drama.

Tim, a playwright

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Sergei Mikhailovich EISENSTEIN




Not to be confused with Einstien or Einstein or a beer mug, man. Take it from another film buff.

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LOL on that pic. That's exactly what it's like out here sometimes … :-0

And we do all wear suspenders when we think about it.

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I want to say here that Jason Lange was a HUGE loss to II. On what is now infamously referred to as the Black Tuesday at II, Jason was the first to get up and walk out and he did that with incredible dignity and integrity and i also still remember watching him across the room, there was pain and disbelief on his face ( which is what most of us experienced that afternoon).

And i am not saying these things because he is damn cute too! (oops, sorry. no flirting, right?)

Jason, you were a star at II. You were incredibly available for every situation. You were incredibly reliable. I am SO honoured to have worked with you.

The only thing i might add, and you, Jason may or may not agree is that while the former ceo you talked of wanted to do good things for II,  sadly, i hold the perspective that while i fully supported some of his rescue efforts, he also started some raging fires. I know, because i got burnt.

Shoot. I try so hard to stay away from these things for my own sanity and yet…

But I know one thing for sure. Jason was a gigantic loss for II.
Love you and see you around, cutie pie ;-) (dang, there i did it again!)

Nomz

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Ooooooooooo, ooooooooooooo!

Nomali and Jason sitting in a tree
K- I-I-S-I-N-G …






(Okay, that was stupid. Just being stupid. Now get over to the corner for your paddling!)

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Tim, you are the worst typist. Even worse than I am.

K-I-S-S-I-N-G.

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You know, I haven't really made this point yet: it really doesn't matter what the specifics are inside I-I. I mean, there's simply no way to really tease out all the perspectives, and why would we want to? I don't have to work there, I just pay them money every month for a service that stinks at the moment.

For whatever reason, there has been a complete failure to do one simple thing (yes, I'm totally leaving out the fact that people don't get stuff they've paid for, get things late, etc. It's another can of worms entirely): enforce some simple rules that are obvious and well-borne out by many years' experience in online communication.

Helen(e), just as, you know, a completely freaking obvious example, is still posting on the forum. Now, I know this would have to be a minor concern to someone who's massively overworked and putting out fires all day, but this is the grassfire that never quits and is still being ignored. Still.

As soon as someone gets to a place where they know what's going on, they get fired or quit. It really is a comedy of errors, although of course, nobody's laughing except Helen. And I'm sorry, Jason, I truly don't know what you've been through. It's just that you gave her yet another chance to continue being a disruption, and she's still there. I have to see that as a mistake, even if it's one you couldn't avoid.

Liz

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No silly, you missed the (stupid) joke: K-I-I-S-I-N-G. ( Yes, stupid, but you're laughing now … :-) )


Re: the other points in your post, this is form the latest community director's blog:

5. Bringing more members into the forums: we all see the amount of views a thread gets, but why is that there aren't as many, or even nearly as many posts as readers? .   I have a lot of ideas as to the why of this but I am interested in hearing from members who have more forum experience.

  -What are everyone's thoughts on this?  Please feel free to email me and to comment here if you have any ideas about how to get more members to post.


[insert inexpressible emoticon]

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Perhaps we could say of Helen - paraphrasing Vi Subversa of Poison Girls - that she is the “dildo in the anus of the integral movement.”

politically incorrectly yours,
arthur

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Totally my bad, Tim. Mea culpa.

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Yeah, I read that and I thought, “Oh…my…God…” I'm plum out of ideas. This is like one of those nightmares where you just can't get where you want to go.

And of course, you're Naked.

Liz

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Yeah. Sigh.

It's a long and winding road ….

Mary

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Although I agree with Nomali that despite all effort it's just hard sometimes not to care about certain things, and there is indeed an impulse to respond, I really think the only sensible response is no response at all. There is another side to The World of the Terribly Obvious, many other worlds of the Terribly Oblivious.

The person that took the job that we fought for is not going to get it any time soon. Maybe silence will speak. But I don't know that there is any point even if it doesn't.

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Wow.

Although I left I-I, I'm sorry to hear things haven't improved.  One of the better moves they have made in the recent past was bringing a I-I forum to Zaadz.

Liz, I can certainly understand your frustration with the situation.   Just reading through this thread there seems to be alot of frustration from people.

I was also amazed to see that Helene hasn't been “handled” by this time.  No surprise really, but just the same….

Since I am so peripheal nowadays, it's probably not my place to comment, but I do wish I-I the best and hope they find a way to make it the way they envisioned it.

-Greg

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Here is a letter that I sent to Haillie a couple of days ago….

Haillie, I happened over to look around at the IN forum again today, after
posting there for a few
years, and finally getting totally sick of Helen(e) spamming on all of the
attempt at intelligent integral
conversation. It is not that I had anything against her, but if you are
interested in seeing what can
happen with good moderation go to II-Zaadz. Indeed, I don’t know why I would
bother to go back to
IN/ISC…..except for some of the audio/visual….and that was never the most
important part to me.
If I was the boss at IN I would recognize the fact that Arthur is probably
worth about $20X20 new
members a day….$400. We used to have 30 to 40 new members joining every day
to the
organization. I don’t always like Arthur’s style, but he was largely
responsible for all of that work of
keeping the forum interesting, and fresh and for saying things as they really
were. He also exposes
and works on his shadow in a transparent way and this is refreshing.
If I were IN, I would hire Arthur back at $400dollars/day. The overall income
generated by having a
vibrant forum would be more than worth it….if only considered financially.
He would probably figure
out how to drag the II-Zaadz folk over too…though I must say, I am now used
to the blogging
features and the rest of the community….perhaps it is now too late.
Short of that, maybe IN/ISC should pack up and just meld with Zaadz. the
moderation and the soft
ware seem better, and let people sign up for the audi-visiual offerings to
generate income…..
As it is, you come off sounding very harsh to people who have spent a lot of
time on the forum. And
also, i hope you are being paid properly.
Jane McGillivray
former IN/ISC member

Perhaps, I should have sent this letter to Ken as well….anyone, please forward it along if you want too.