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The Integral Pod (formerly I-I+Zaadz, or IIZ) is a discussion group (a.k.a. “pod”) for enthusiasts of the work of Ken Wilber and other proponents of integral thought. Our aim here is to provide a “We-space” for broad discussion of second-tier living, loving and learning. Please read our vision and guidelines – the ...(more)
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  David : ~

Communism, socialism, capitalism

David said Aug 8, 2007, 9:57 AM:

 

Where do these fall in the spiral? How do we explain these from an AQAL perspective?

  David : ~

Re: Communism, socialism, capitalism

David said Aug 8, 2007, 10:33 AM:

 

In Russia, was communism an Amber replacement for the Red Tsarist feudal empire or a Red replacement for the feudal empire? Could we say that capitalism and socialism are alternative routes (fulcrums 4-6) to some kind of capitalist/socialist integration, beginning with one or the other at 4?

  theurj : Wyrdo

Re: Communism, socialism, capitalism

theurj said Aug 8, 2007, 12:41 PM:

 

From ”Left, right or just plain wrong” by Ray Harris:
 

Another system uses a quadrant to create 'order left', 'order right', 'libertarian left' and 'libertarian right'. However, from a spectrum point of view it is possible to argue that there is a left and right at each level, at least theoretically, until Green, which is supposed to be anti-hierarchical. Marx for example, proposed a system of political evolution from capitalism to socialism and then finally to communism. The communist utopia bears many similarities with a post-Green world. Here it is important to make a very careful distinction between later theoretical developments such as Marxist-Leninism, Trotskyism, Maoism and other variants, all of which became locked into a predominantly Red/Blue leftism with some tinges of modernist 'scientism'. Similarly the right can have its own multi-level manifestations. For instance there is an internal logic in the market that suggests that corporations devolve from the original Orange creative impulse to Blue stratification to aggressive Red protection of its market share.