Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Due to the length of the old thread about the gathering, I'm starting a new thread right here.

/Pelle


adastra said Today, 5:55 PM:

Hi all

Steve has requested that I put his wife Anna on the wait list as well; so the revised lists are:

RAM Workshop: Priority List

~~~~~

Liz          (deposit received)
Arthur    (deposit received)
Pelle
Mary
Jane
Lauren
Gina

Lucidity

Gita

Danny
Ewan (maybe)
Grey (maybe)
Colin (maybe)

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

The workshop will be held on July 12-13th.

Pelle

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Gitanjali has sent her deposit in!  Whoop!  Whoop!

So as of October 12, 2007, here's the updated list:

RAM Workshop (July 12-13): Priority List

~~~~~

Liz          (deposit received)
Arthur    (deposit received)
Pelle
Mary
Jane
Lauren
Gina

Lucidity

Gitanjali  (deposit received)

Danny
Ewan (maybe)
Grey (maybe)
Colin (maybe)

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

I've paid my deposit now!

Looking forward to the workshop and the whole trip next summer!!

Pelle

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Coolness, Pelle!  Great to hear that…looking forward to meeting you f2f.  :)

RAM Workshop (July 12-13): Priority List

~~~~~

Liz          (deposit received)
Arthur    (deposit received)
Pelle       (deposit received)
Mary
Jane
Lauren
Gina

Lucidity

Gitanjali  (deposit received)

Danny
Ewan (maybe)
Grey (maybe)
Colin (maybe)

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Mary's deposit has been received.  Whoo-hoo!

RAM Workshop (July 12-13): Priority List

~~~~~

Liz          (deposit received)
Arthur    (deposit received)
Pelle       (deposit received)
Mary       (deposit received)
Jane
Lauren
Gina

Lucidity

Gitanjali  (deposit received)

Danny
Ewan (maybe)
Grey (maybe)
Colin (maybe)

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Douglas/dugaum and his Wonderful wife Annie have been added to the wait list.  :)

spirals,
arthur

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Me too, on both counts!  (deposit payment and lookingforwardness ;-)

P&L
~G

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Grey's deposit has been received, and now half the spots are reserved.  Wheeeee!

RAM Workshop (July 12-13): Priority List

~~~~~

Liz          (deposit received)
Arthur    (deposit received)
Pelle       (deposit received)
Mary       (deposit received)
Jane
Lauren
Gina

Lucidity

Gitanjali  (deposit received)

Danny
Ewan
Grey       (deposit received)
Colin 

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

“lookingforwardness”

Careful, Grey, you're starting to sound like Arthur!

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Yeah, I keep wanting to close my posts with “spirals”, too!  Creepy! ;-)

spi-… I mean, ciao!

~Grey

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hehe! It's quite insidious. I now finish many sentences with “eh” for no apparent reason, and I–honest to God–say “oot” instead of “out” now. Horrible.

Liz

ps-two mods going way off topic! We must stop!

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Hmph…and here I thought I was leaving the pod in capable hands - sheesh.

spiral oot, eh?
arthur

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ROFLMAO

You're a hoot, Liz!  I'm like that, too, though.  I spent the weekend up in the mountains with a group of friends last week, talking to one Irish guy in particular (most of the others were Italian, so it was a nice change of pace to talk to a real Anglo…), and towards the end I caught myself altering my accent a bit now and then.

Anyway, I'm whacking my knuckles with a ruler now and promising to get back on topic!

Cheers,
Grey

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Oh, yeah, an Irish accent is super easy to pick up. (I wouldn't call them “Anglo” unless they're Protestants if you value your life, though). Spent a week there once with my husband's family and by the time I left I had quite the lilt in my voice. It was instrumental, however, in learning how to understand the Scots, who are much more difficult to understand, IMO.

I'm the official translator for Tiki-Liz when she comes to an integral gathering. See how I made that on-topic? I'm smart like that.

Liz

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Good point.  I was thinking more “Anglophone” than “Anglo-Saxon”, but yeah, I should be more careful about that… just in case there are any Irish at the gathering (OK, that's a bit of a stretch to get back on topic!).

~G

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If I remember, correctly, Liz, dearest, you didn't so much translate as take the mickey with a very good impersonation. OK there was some translation, but that was for the cloth eared and hard of thinking (no names, no need)

My puny attempt to keep this on topic……………well it's an effort towards greater worldcentric understanding of the Scottish accent and a tribute to Scottish -American co-operation. It's actually Robin Williams talking about golf, and it is very funny.

If RAM can understand this I'll attend the workshop:-)

http://www.funrestarea.com/pages/robin_williams.shtml

Cheers!

Liz

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

That was hilarious, but a pathetic attempt to put it on-topic at the end.

I will say this: I promise that if you are there, I will take the mickey (that's take the piss for you “Anglos”) again, and it will be almost as funny as Robin Williams. Mostly because I'll be drunk, I'm guessing. Or because my audience will be.

This is not to underestimate the effect of Scotland on world culture, of course. Kilts remain their greatest contribution to the happiness of women everywhere, and I owe my own genetic heritage to some poor bastard who came to America looking for a decent, non-light-deprived life, lo these many years ago. Arthur, too, is from “New Scotland,” where they still have a brogue, even.

Liz

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Here's a higher quality version of the Robin Williams video.

Pelle

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Hey y’all I’m so looking forward to this! Wish I had a fun accent too! (no offense Tiki-Liz and Arthur)
Gitanjali

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Unless I'm very much mistaken, you have an Aussie accent, no?

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dear Liz, its a rare thing ;) but you..are…mistaken. Im practising my best accent for when we meet….

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Very mysterious, Ms. Gitanjali. Intriguing!

I notice even slight differences from my own accent, and I'm still having difficulty not making fun of Arthur, eh? It's amazing that this many people from around the world speak English at all, really. So I'm just insanely grateful to have you folks coming to this gathering.

You never know what will happen at one of these things. It always seems to be transformational in some surprising way.

Liz

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Deposit paid :)

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Excellent! Time to start planning the “road” trip across the pond then!

~G

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Whoo-hoo, Ewan's deposit has been received!  Another great accent joins the group.  :)

RAM Workshop (July 12-13): Priority List

~~~~~

Liz          (deposit received)
Arthur    (deposit received)
Pelle       (deposit received)
Mary       (deposit received)
Jane
Lauren
Gina

Lucidity

Gitanjali  (deposit received)

Danny
Ewan      (deposit received)
Grey       (deposit received)
Colin 

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

I am not sending my deposit for the RAM workshop in the next 3 days. I have done a lot of RAM work this year, and am already committed to the Hawaii workshop…and actually I am feeling over-done right now… I don’t know how I will feel in July when this integral workshop comes around. I am going to take the chance that if I want to go to it, there will be a place that comes open….funny how I am feeling now about the whole therapy thing…..just exhausted or something… I think I have worn off all the defenses in the articulate, sophisticated matrix of my being and I am mostly witnessing myself stewing around groundless in a pre-verbal, undifferentiated goo…. it could also be that I have a serotonin deficiency or season affective disorder, but regardless, that is where it is for me now…. I am feeling prevertebrate….spineless, amorphous….and I am just waiting to see what happens…hoping something emerges soon, realizing in part that maybe I have to find some gumption and pull the ‘something’ out of the fire….

even as I am writing this, I am watching my dog Rosie playing with a pal from next door…….we had a little snow last night, and the ground is white as are the trees….. a good brisk walk is in order up over Sunday Hill….. it is scary to think that November has not even quite arrived yet

…… I am still looking forward to the Gathering….and meeting everyone…..

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Jane,

Sounds like you're in that chaotic state that is inevitable before a reorganization into something new happens. This is a good thing, though I know from my own experience that it's hard to remember in the moment :)

Pelle

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Hi Arthur

Will you tentatively put me on the wait list please?

I want to come but as I went to the women's ILP week this year i need to do a bit of work here at home to be 'allowed out' again!!! :-))

Juliee

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In a desire not to charge my deposit, I am waiting on some money to come that has been delayed by a couple of weeks.

Here's keeping my fingers crossed my spot is still open after the 31st.

Gina

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Hi everyone,

I just got off the phone with Robert and have decided that I need to focus on doing a workshop with him sooner, and I am aiming for the Hawaii trip in January. I am not in a position financially to do both, but I am planning to come to Sacramento for the gathering, unless my health declines. Please give my spot in the workshop to the next in line.

Apologies for delaying my payment for so long. I was trying to determine which road to take and it did not become clear until today.

I mentioned on the old thread some months ago that I'd like to teach a couple of yoga classes during the gathering, as well as help to lead a kirtan. Just checking in to see what kind of interest there is for both of those things, as they both take some preparation (kirtan more than yoga). I'd want to know that enough people really were going to participate…
Thoughts?

Love,
Lauren

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Morning Lauren,

I didnt know you had a health concern.  I hope things go really well for you. 

Hawaii is such a lovely place to do work like that.

I would be very interested in the yoga classes and the kirtan.

And I really look forward to meeting you there.

Love
gitanjali

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Hi Lauren

I would definitely want to be part of yoga. Am I right in remembering kirtan as group chanting? If so I would also be interested in that.

Juliee

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Yeah, Lauren, a kirtan would be great!  I don't think I've ever seen it done before, and I'm sure I've never experienced one in person.

P&L
~G

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Hi Arthur

Will you put me definitely on the wait list please.

Juliee

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I'm bummed that you won't be with us during the workshop, Lauren, but so happy that you're going to work with Robert. I'm very interested in the Kirtan, not so much in the yoga.

As for the wait list, I'm going to ask Arthur to respond.

I do want to remind folks that the workshop is only one part of the gathering and not at all necessary to coming and having a good time.

I'm pondering what kind of remuneration you might need, Lauren, in light of all the preparations and the effort that will go into what you're doing? Perhaps a suggested donation? I know you aren't looking to make a profit, but I find that when people are fairly paid, the services are more appreciated, and the person who is getting paid, even if it's just a token amount, don't feel taken advantage of.

Liz

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Jane, sorry to hear you are not going to the Robert workshop next summer, but your reasons are quite understandable.  You've actually done an incredible amount of work with Robert in the past year - I'm envious (but not jealous).  It sounds like you need time to kick back and regroup.

Lauren, I'm very sorry to hear that you won't be attending the workshop - but OTOH it is fantastic that you will be doing a workshop with Robert earlier (and in Hawaii no less).  I'm sorry to hear health issues are troubling you, though.

Juliee, I'll add you to the wait list, no problem.

Gina, you'll need to decide if you're willing to charge your deposit - to be paid off your charge card once you get paid in a couple of weeks - or if you want to risk losing your spot.  It's your call. 

At the end of this month, as noted earlier in the thread, the people on the wait list will have the opportunity to send in a deposit and secure a spot.

Since Lauren and Jane have decided not to put in a deposit, I'll add them to the end of the wait list - then they will have the opportunity (along with anybody else who jumps onto the wait list between now and next summer) to take any spots which become available.

This is kind of difficult for me, because I want everybody who has expressed interest to be able to go - which brings us to a far higher number than 12.  Anybody who doesn't make it to this one…perhaps we'll do a future RAM workshop together.  At any rate, I hope you'll make it to the gathering itself, because I'm really looking forward to meeting and hanging out with you all.  :)

OK, so here are the updated lists:


RAM Workshop (July 12-13): Priority List

~~~~~

Liz          (deposit received)
Arthur    (deposit received)
Pelle       (deposit received)
Mary       (deposit received)
Gina

Lucidity

Gitanjali  (deposit received)

Danny
Ewan      (deposit received)
Grey       (deposit received)
Colin 

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Hi Integral Luminaries~

I guess I might as well chime in now…. I am aiming to fly this blip bodymind to Sacramento, Cali-for-ni-A  in July 08.  I have no idea who, what, how, etc…. my life is still shifiting in major demolition/renovation-style.  I won't be attending the RAM workshop (wah!) although I do hope to get some phone time with him in the near future (its been on my priority list for some time now… I think I'm on a 5 month turn-around for my ToDo's, ack! :-)

I do intend to participate in Dharmapalooza Aug 08, which is a higher priority simply because of my desire (with unconfirmed decision) to move to Boulder (ie. networking, learning, practice, job hunting, etc).

Not in the least, I am in high level  A N T I C I P A T I O N  mode with thoughts of getting to meet and mingle with such stunning souls. 

Lauren~  Kirtan sounds awesome!

Blissings,
~Stacy

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Thanks Arthur

I'm just in the process of costing out the trip and wondering what sort of timescales are we all thinking about. The RAM workshop is scheduled for 12-13 July so we're obviously working around that. Days before? Days after? Liz are there any restrictions around dates and your community's meeting room etc.?

I've not done this sort of thing before sooo just asking (if I'm too early and freaking you out just say so!!!).

Juliee

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Gang,

My plans have changed and so I must bow out.

  When I went to the RAM retreat in Boulder, I only went to half of it and never did my  1 on 1. I wasn't ready for it. I do feel bad and have lost face perhaps, but that's what I went through. No blame, no shame.

  Now at this point in my life I must be Integral about my family life. The needs of “we” trumps the needs of “I”. It's an imbalance that I must cope with. But for now, the “we” of wife and children trumps the “I” of going to psychotherapy.

 Granted healing “I” in psychotherapy can benefit the “we”. Now as it stands for me, the kids need a college fund which they don't have yet. I and my wife need a retirement plan at age 50. Psychotherapy is expensive. Funding college for the kids and a nest egg requires a huge chunk of time and energy. I mention this to give you an authentic perpsective as to why my priorities are as they are.

Its Maslow's Hierarchy of needs at work here. If in the future I have a change in circumstance and fortune, then by all means, RAM will be at the top of the list and hopefully I will be ready for it then.

As much as I would like to go to the retreat I am in no position to do so presently and to be fair with my family and  balanced about it.

Peace and God speed,

Daniel

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Hi Daniel

I'm sorry to hear you didn't feel ready for the RAM workshop in Boulder, but these things happen.  I've backed out of stuff I wasn't ready for at the time.

It sucks more to hear your circumstances preclude you coming to the gathering or workshop next summer, but I totally understand.  Your other commitments are more important.

My own future “nest egg” scenarios don't look very reassuring, so I resonate with any existential (“eggs-istential?) anxiety you may have in that area.  I don't see myself ever being able to voluntarily leave the workforce and live in anything resembling comfort  - so most likely I work until sickness, death, economic collapse or some other cheerful eventuality makes me stop.  Hopefully in the future I'll be doing meaningful work that feeds my soul, at least. 

spirals,
arthur

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

As we get to the end of the month - aka the deadline before we go to the wait list - I want to make sure how the process will work is clear; so I confirmed the following with Robert and Diane:

~~~

We'll be at the end of the month soon, aka the deadline for people on
the priority list to get their deposits in before the wait list gets a 
shot at it.  My thinking is that anybody who is in process at the end 
of the month (e.g. if someone has gone through the paypal process but 
you're waiting for it to clear) still counts as having gotten in on time.

As for the wait list, I think it would be fair to let people have a 
shot at it in the order that they went on the wait list.

~~~

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Thanks Arthur.

I assume that either you or Robert and Diane will manage the wait list process?

Juliee

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So, it is sounding to me like there's some interest in yoga and some in kirtan, but overwhelming interest for neither. I'm happy to sing and lead chants for free (i'm no pro, it's just something I like to do), but would like help with instrumentation (drums + harmonium or guitar) as I'm not an instrumentalist and it helps immensely to build the energy. I recall Ewan offering to play either guitar or percussion on the old thread, but saying he'd rather not transport instruments on the plane from England. Anybody more local willing to bring a guitar and a drum?

As far as yoga goes I do like offering it as a gift, but I also agree with Liz that there's something about people putting their money down that makes them more likely to show up. So, if enough interest is there, I'd ask $10 suggested donation per class per person, and if you are tight for money just write me and ask for a “scholarship”. Just so you know I teach people of ALL abilities, 2 years old to 96, able-bodied mountain bike racers and college athletes and people with chronic injuries and illness, so I could teach two different classes – a gentle one and a challenging one, depending on who needs what. My basic approach is to use the practice of the postures and flow of poses to cultivate mindfulness, subtle and gross body awareness, and the immediate distinctly improved sense of well-being that comes from nourishing your body with awareness, movement and oxygen. I dislike trendy “glamour” yoga and don't teach it. The reason I want to offer this to the group is because I believe that it will be of great benefit to our group to do a body practice together, as it is the piece I see being most often neglected. If you want more information about how I teach you can look at my class descriptions here.

In any case, I'm happy to pull together a class last minute, as that takes little preparation, so we can play it by ear if people don't want to commit. Bring a yoga mat if you have one and at the very least we can practice together informally.

Gitanjali and Arthur, thanks for your care, the health issues are long-standing and ongoing, though I am newly concerned about the results of a recent lab test that may indicate a problem of another nature. I'm waiting on a follow-up test to get more information.

Best to all y'all,
Lauren

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Hi Lauren

I'm quite interested in both yoga and kirtan as part of the gathering - it's just that I'm more focused on setting up the workshop at present.  Also, the gathering far enough away in time that probably most people are not engaged in detailed thinking about it right now - so I wouldn't take current levels of response as necessarily indicitive of how much interest is or will be present.  :)

Liz and I, btw, are finally going to get to do Kirtan with Krishna Das in just a couple of weeks!  Then the next day we'll get to do a satsang with Adyashanti.  wheeeeeeee!  :)

spiral out,
arthur

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

OK, the deadline for people on the priority list getting in their deposits is now past, and the wait list is open; people on the wait list will have the opportunity to reserve a spot in the order they entered the list.  I'll transfer anyone from the original “priority list” to the wait list in case openings come up later.  People can also still enter the wait list - we don't know what will happen between now and next summer; spots may open up if people with reservations can't make it.

RAM Workshop (July 12-13): Confirmed Reservations

~~~~~

Liz          (deposit received)
Arthur    (deposit received)
Pelle       (deposit received)
Mary       (deposit received)

Gitanjali  (deposit received)

Ewan      (deposit received)
Grey       (deposit received)

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Arthur, does this mean that the top four people on the waiting list can claim a spot by paying their deposits?

How long do the ones lower down on the waiting list need to wait before they can secure a spot by paying the deposit?

Not that it concerns me personally, but since I don't get the process at the moment there might be others who don't get it either.


Pelle

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Another question: it was said early on the the workshop would be made available to the public if we couldn't fill it up. Will that happen now, or will it not happen since we at least have a waiting list?

Pelle

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I've paid my deposit!!

Woohoo

juliee

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Yay!!!!

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whoo-hoo!

I'm waiting for final word on a couple of the wait list reservations, and will likely be able to post the final list of confirmed reservations in a few days.  :)  By the very nature of the thing (and the manifest realm in general) it would be impossible to have all the people I'd love to do a workshop with attend this particular one - it's a number far higher than 12! - but this is a great group of people and I'm really looking forward to it.  :)

metta,
arthur

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Weve just paid ours (Steve and Anna) we is more Uk bods in !!

Steve

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Alright, people!  :)  Here's the final list:

RAM Workshop (July 12-13): Confirmed Reservations

~~~~~

Liz         
Arthur 
Pelle     
Mary      

Gitanjali 

Ewan     
Grey       
Steve     
Anna     
Douglas 
Annie    
Juliee       

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Yeah, this is a juicy list of people.

Inevitably, those who are not able to go to the workshop or gathering will feel sad; sometimes even those who thought they didn't want to go end up feeling left out and triggered. I want everyone who doesn't go to know that we will genuinely miss your presence, and drink a toast to you!

Hm, that give me an idea.

Liz

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Thank you Arthur!

For arranging it and getting it going.  It feels like bliss in the making…yeah I know…raw and painful….somehow that still feels like bliss

oh boy, now my masochism is showing

and Liz, yes, those who arent in the workshop, and who will be at the gathering…yeah…i just hope that even though those in the workshop may form some kinds of wild bonds, there will be love and openness that radiates beyond that, making us more open, not clique-y for having been togther in the sweatlodge!

Also, your idea…hmmm I'm getting an inkling….


Gitanjali

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Hmmmmphh, maybe all those not at the RAM workshop will go horseback riding in the canyons via the circle H ranch……. pristine vistas with rattlesnakes and sun burning hot in the mid-desert day, the theme song for the Good the Bad and the Ugly eeeerily beginning to resonated in all the cowboys/girls ears at the same time…. and then when throats are parched and bones are weary, we will come upon an oasis, and, why not, a healing hot spring, and bouganvillea cascading from rubber trees, and delicious grapes…..and hibiscus plants all around…. and an ancient shaman will emerge from a cave from yonder high cliff and share the peyoted pipe…and well, uh, the rest of the story is going to have to be discovered!……I tell ya, anything could happen out there in stew….I’ve seen it happen before!

(actually, I have been thinking I had to get busy on NaNoWriMo… and write a novel in the next month…I tried once before and it was going to marvellously that on day 10 I was so excited I came up for air and was scooped back into my real life, dang it!… and the above seems to me to have all the makings for a great story…. I can splice the RAM workshop scenes with the canyon scenes…. yep, the left sided cushion work (RAM) jammed up against the molecular grit of this unfolding universe(life in the desert)…. then as the story unfolds, the RAM workshoppers will have to come out and look for the cowboys. I hope Tiki-Liz, Lauren and un-Ruly Julie, Ramsses, and Balder and Marko are with me on this one…and everyone else who just felt a twinge of left-out-ness…..You are IN!)…… yes, a dance up and down the spiral, is emerging……and in the meanwhile, the comforts of bottled water and urban living are summarily dismissed, and we get to find out who is who, and I mean REALLY! “Lord of the Flies Goes Integral”(subtitle in Sacromento Herald)….

oh, it is happening again, just as I get on a roll, I am compelled to go walking and then see patients in the hospital…..but, I shall be back….mmmmwwwwhhhhhhhaaaaaa…..

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My first big grin of the day, Jane!

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Hmmmmphh, maybe all those not at the RAM workshop will go horseback riding in the canyons via the circle H ranch……. pristine vistas with rattlesnakes and sun burning hot in the mid-desert day, the theme song for the Good the Bad and the Ugly eeeerily beginning to resonated in all the cowboys/girls ears at the same time


Hmmm, thanks Jane. last time I went to California was in 2005 to see my daughter who was teaching horse riding in the mountains. It was the week before the Boulder gathering. I had promised my daughter I would let her teach me to ride, having spent her teen years helping with a pony, driving them both to shows, getting up at 5,30 to groom mane and tail and do all the stuff that goes with this. I had, however managed to avoid ever sitting on one, apart from the Burro (donkeysafari in Tenerife some 20 years earlier. That particilar nightmare has no place here.

So in california I rode 3 times in 4 days. When it was over i was very scared and very sore. Indeed I sncerely believed I would never walk properly upright again. Since then, I have been parasailing, have rideen on an elephant in Thailand , and more recently made an ealy morning hot air balloon flight to see the sun come up over the Nile. All of these experiences were vastly superior to any equine outing you would care to dream up.

So, my dear, I am going to San Francisco, with or without flowers in my hair. I may rent a car and drive up the coast. I will not under any circumstances be going anywhere on a horse. Nor will I have to listen to ram telling me about my unremembered birth trauma, I really, really could not bear that. If anyone wants to think that shows up some deep psychological blockage in me, then feel free…I read DSW and that was about enough for me.

No RAM, no horses, I am coming to play!

Liz

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

I'm not thrilled about the organizers' inability to answer, or even acknowledge, questions in this thread.

A simple “don't know” or “you'll see” would be enough.

Pelle

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Pelle: I'm not thrilled about the organizers' inability to answer, or even acknowledge, questions in this thread.

A simple “don't know” or “you'll see” would be enough.

Pelle

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As one of the main volunteer organizers of this event, I reckon that question is aimed largely at me.  What pressing questions - regarding this event that's happening 6 1/2 months from now - are failing to be “answered, or even acknowledge[d],” sir? 

You know, I really get fucking tired sometimes of being attacked for failing to live up to some people's expectations when I'm giving so much of my time, energy and initiative to help make events like this a reality.

I could read through this long-ass thread and try to suss out what important, timely matters I've left unaddressed, thus failing to adequately thrill you, Pelle.  Instead, I'd rather ask you to kindly repeat them and I will at least answer them in the format you have now helpfully specified.

-Arthur

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

The wait list process is/was important to everyone who's coming to the workshop, so I feel that part should have been clarified briefly in this thread. Since it wasn't, Juliee asked about it without getting a reply, and I then reiterated the same question, only to have it be ignored once again.

Doing group therapy is a big thing, and clarity and transparency even in the process leading up to the actual workshop is important. If it's too much work to provide that, then it's best not to organize such a workshop at all.

As for the tantrum and sarcasm appearing out of nowhere… They speak for themselves so no need for me to further comment on that part of your post.

Pelle

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

It's my understanding that the RAM workshop is FULL.  That if a spot were to open (a cancellation to a reservation) that the choice for the spot would go through the wait list in the order that is posted. 

And I am also gathering that there is no reason to offer any spots to “the pubic” since there is already a wait list.  Unless “public” means this thread and anyone can still throw their hat into the mix and WAIT ;-)

~ Stacy

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

It is also my understanding that Pelle and Arthur are having a fight!……I can never figure this sort of thing out, to be honest with you.

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Actually, I am out clearing brush and having a bon fire on the beach, and I have been thinking about this situation….and the unpleasant and irritated feeling I am experiencing…RAM has suggested to me that I practice speaking with directness… when you have all gone to the workshop, you too may be like this: .

Pelle: I think your comment to Arthur was rude and out of place. In my opinion, it is a lead balloon on the proceedings and it diminishes the hard work that Arthur has clearly done in organizing the workshop….. When anyone needs more clarity on anything, asking again or sending a clear PM is appropriate. In my opinion, your comment was over the top and uncollegial….and I feel a contraction….

Arthur: you missed a great opportunity to practice Fred Kofman’s Verbal Aikaido……

and further Tiki, if you won’t go on the horse riding adventure, perhaps we will have to get some helicopters like Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible 3…come on, ya gotta work with me baby.

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Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Thanks, Jane. You're right on the money. Enough said.

Liz

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Jane,
 I'm up for that, I'm just allergic to pain! I remember how hard it hurt last time.

And thanks for your directness, I hate the atmosphere when people fight. I've been involved in the past and won't go there again with anyone in this group. So I did my play the clown thing, create a diversion.

I felt the contraction too. I know I can't fix other people's stuff and I guess I was feeling helples in the face of that.

Liz

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Jane said:

Pelle: I think your comment to Arthur was rude and out of place. In my opinion, it is a lead balloon on the proceedings and it diminishes the hard work that Arthur has clearly done in organizing the workshop….. When anyone needs more clarity on anything, asking again or sending a clear PM is appropriate. In my opinion, your comment was over the top and uncollegial….and I feel a contraction….

Arthur: you missed a great opportunity to practice Fred Kofman’s Verbal Aikaido……

Thanks for your wise and insightful words, Jane. (Have you been studying with Robert Augustus Masters or something? lol) Ah…I did indeed miss a great opportunity to a) STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD when I was feeling unreasonably reactive; and b) practice verbal Aikido, despite the fact that Sensei Matt Fluty emphasizes just that - the myriad practical applications of the art of Aikido in everyday life. Sigh. Clearly I have much more work to do along those lines – but hey, I'm still learning the difference between left and right in the dojo, if you must know.  (As for the Kofman “verbal Aikido,” I'm intrigued…but I haven't been able to watch IN video for a long time now and probably missed that stuff.)

Pelle, I sincerely apologise for overlooking your posts on Thursday, and I believed - mistakenly as it turned out - that any questions or ambiguity around the wait list had been cleared up. If there is any further need for clarification about that, please let me know (via PM) and I will clear it up on the thread.

I have no excuse for reacting publicly with such anger, regardless of the perceived provocation or whether or not I felt “justified” in doing so.

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Now then, here is where things stand vis a vis the workshop: All twelve workshop positions have been filled. There is a wait list. If any spots open up, people on the wait list will have the opportunity sign up in the order that their names appear on the wait list. If there are any errors or omissions, or if anyone decisively wants to be removed from the wait list, please let me know via PM. You may also contact Liz, as we are in frequent communication. :) 

I consider the main organizational details for the workshop to be taken care of for now.

with love and metta,
Arthur

p.s. the latest version of the workshop list is posted here.

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Arthur,

Thank you for your balanced post.

I apologize for bringing my irritation into this thread, instead of doing it through PMs.


Pelle

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

That's correct Stacy. There will be no advertising of this workshop to the public, as we have plenty of interest already.

Liz

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Hi folks…I know that Hades is gonna freeze over before I stand a chance of getting on this workshop but please could I go on the waiting list. Thanx a mill…Jon x

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Jon, you never know. Life is always changing plans, and I'll tell Arthur to put you on the list. I'd much prefer people say they want to be on the list, no matter how unlikely, than scramble for participants at the last minute. A wait list also ensures that those who can't go, who've put deposits down can, get their deposits back.

Might you go to the gathering even if you can't get into the workshop?

Liz

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

You're welcome, Pelle.  Jon, I've added you to the wait list.  :)

It might be copacetically groovalistical to start a thread talking specifically about the gathering itself, which goes beyond the mere workshop…it kinda…I dunno…transcends and includes it or something.  :p

hugs and kirtans,
arthur


RAM Workshop (July 12-13): Confirmed Reservations

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Liz         
Arthur 
Pelle     
Mary      

Gitanjali 

Ewan     
Grey       
Steve     
Anna     
Douglas 
Annie    
Juliee       

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Arthur, thanx for adding me to the list.

Liz, yes I am hoping to, although all is in flux at present regarding how my true luv an' i get molecular.. and when… as opposed to pixellated and skyped up.

Pelle and Arthur, I do not know you properly really but  I want to express my admiration at your maturity. It really is important, to my mind, to stand back in these public spaces and stay authentic out of compassion (buddhi) rather than reactivitly (manas), to use the vedantic lingo.
 J x

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Follow up:

I did change plans on attending RAM.

I hope its still OK if I ended up coming out to Sacramento anyway the summer of 2008 to add to the vibes of the times.

It might work out that I am in the area anyhow and would love to join in and help stabilize all those high frequencies that will be buzzing around!

Daniel

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Daniel: I did change plans on attending RAM.

I hope its still OK if I ended up coming out to Sacramento anyway the summer of 2008 to add to the vibes of the times.

It might work out that I am in the area anyhow and would love to join in and help stabilize all those high frequencies that will be buzzing around!

~~~

Of course, Daniel!  The gathering and the workshop are separate things and we'd love to see you at the gathering regardless of whether you are attending the workshop or not.  :) 

In other news, I saw lucidity's somewhat recent post in the Daily Yak II asking to be removed from the wait list, so I'll make that adjustment.  This also give me an opportunity to reiterate an important point:

NOTE to everyone: If you need to ask or tell me anything related to the workshop, please send me a private message!  Since I resigned as moderator and got busy and distracted with other things, there are lots of posts and threads I don't read, or don't see for quite a while after they are posted.  Private messages I check on almost a daily basis and I'm more likely to see them in a timely manner.  Also, if you don't hear from me or want to cover all the bases, please send a message to my wife Liz, as we are in frequent communication.  :)

OK, here is the updated list:

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RAM Workshop (July 12-13): Confirmed Reservations

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Liz         
Arthur 
Pelle     
Mary      

Gitanjali 

Ewan     
Grey       
Steve     
Anna     
Douglas 
Annie    
Juliee       

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Hi Gang

I'm going to have to withdraw from the gathering and the RAM workshop. My cousin has just informed me he's getting married - he lives in Korea and I can't afford to pay for two long-haul flights. My sister, my Mum and I are the only family he has left apart from his Dad so we want to be there.

Juliee

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Meh.

:o(

Re: Integral Gathering + RAM Workshop 2008

Hi all

Sadly, a few people have, over the last while, have let me know through PM's that they've decided not to attend the workshop; in order that they notified me they are: Ewan, Juliee, Pelle, and Gitanjali. They will be missed. All either had other events come up (as, for example, Juliee mentioned above), and/or decided that it was too expensive to travel all the way to Sacramento from their distant locales to attend the gathering.

I've been working my way through the wait list to fill the spots, and as of today Ewan's spot has been filled by Gina. That's really cool, actually, because she wasn't able to get a deposit in the first time around. In other good news, one of our new members, Eddie, has decided to go on the wait list.

I will continue to work my way through the wait list, offering people available spots (three are currently available) in the order that their names appear on the list.  If they decline a spot, their name will go to the end of the wait list (unless they ask to be removed from it altogether), so that they may have a chance later if there are any other changes.  

I encourage those interested in attending the workshop to add their names to the wait list by contacting me via PM.  If, after working through the wait list there are still spots available, Liz and I will take other steps to fill them.

Whatever the final mix of people in the workshop ends up being, I'm sure all will find it a rich and transformative experience!  I am very much looking forward to this, as well as to the gathering as a whole.  Remember: the workshop and the gathering are separate events; even if you won't be attending the workshop I encourage you to come to the gathering and meet your podmates face to face.  It's a wonderful experience going from the screen to the much higher bandwidth “real life” version of interaction.  :)

Here is the current version of the workshop confirmed and waiting list:

RAM Workshop (July 12-13): Confirmed Reservations (as of December 7, 2007)

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Liz         
Arthur 
Mary      
Grey       
Steve     
Anna     
Douglas 
Annie    
Gina

People who have decided not to attend (date of notification in brackets)

Juliee (Nov 27)

Pelle (Nov 29)

Gitanjali (Dec. 4)

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WAIT LIST:

Colin
Jon
Jane
Lauren
Eddie

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metta,

arthur