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  maryw : ponderer

U.S. Election Day 2008

maryw said Nov 4, 2008, 12:50 AM:

 

Thought I'd get a fresh thread started for this fresh day (and because the previous Election Watch thread has gotten so long …) Here's the first bit of news I found – originally posted in the Obama-Biden pod

——————————————————————

Dixville Notch, New Hampshire, has the distinction each election to vote first and give their official tally at 12 AM on election day.

This years official vote is already in.  The results?

     Obama 15     71.4%
     McCain  6     28.6%

Of note, this is the first time in 40 years the tiny hamlet of Dixville Notch has backed a Democrat for President.

  Juliee : heart flow

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Juliee said Nov 4, 2008, 12:56 AM:

 

Hi Mary

You still up - or are you early rising on this momentous day?

Julie

  maryw : ponderer

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

maryw said Nov 4, 2008, 1:03 AM:

 

Nope – still up – and on my way to try to sleep.

(For the curious, it's 1:00 a.m. in California as I write this …)

Here's a gratuitous Obama button in honor of that little New Hampshire hamlet –

repubs for Obama

  Juliee : heart flow

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Juliee said Nov 4, 2008, 1:16 AM:

 

Sweet dreams.

 

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

gitanjali [no longer around] said Nov 4, 2008, 3:26 AM:

 

Sweet dreams to all you sweet americans.  Show us the way.

  Lauren : mammal

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Lauren said Nov 4, 2008, 6:38 AM:

 

I voted!
I almost cried walking in to cast my ballot.

It felt like Christmas morning (when I was six) when I woke up this morning!

Blessings everyone.

  Balder : Kosmonaut

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Balder said Nov 4, 2008, 7:33 AM:

 

I heard on the radio this morning that Carl Rove is predicting an Obama win, by a fairly big margin.  For once, I am rooting for him to be right!

I am anxious to vote, but won't be able to do so till 3:30 pm.  I'll be meeting my wife there, where she'll be voting for the first time as a US citizen. 

Excited about today.

  Liz : deLizious

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Liz said Nov 4, 2008, 8:36 AM:

 

I'm having a rough day already, and I'm so nervous I could barf.


My brain is spazzing out. Hit the wheel of the rental car on a curb, and I'll have to pay for it!! 

Liz

oh, and I was so sad to hear about his grandmother yesterday. If only she could have been here with him!


  Liz : deLizious

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Liz said Nov 4, 2008, 9:52 AM:

 

The Huffington Post has a pretty good cross-section of places to see election coverage.

  Gina : dancing

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Gina said Nov 4, 2008, 9:52 AM:

 


Hey everybody,

While in line to vote this morning, I struck up a conversation with the woman next to me in line.  She was a school teacher (7th graders god bless her) and really funny.  Two things in particular stand out above the rest of the converstation.

While we were sitting waiting for our turn to stand in line (don't ask), we find out our location doesn't have “I Voted” stickers to hand out.  My new friend says, “But that's the most important part”  I laughed out loud and said, that's the most important part?  and she said, yes! it is!

Then while we were in the second line, we begin talking about voting in general and she says she had always been interested in the voting process.  Then she laughed and said, 'being a child of the 60's we thought we invented voting!  as a matter of fact, we though we invented a lot of things, ya, us boomers even think we invented grey hair!'

She was a riot!  My voting experience was even more enjoyable thanks to her.

  Mascha : drop

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Mascha said Nov 4, 2008, 10:00 AM:

 

It's like Christmas when I was a child - that's what I hear  a lot of people say. An incredible amount of solidarity is in the air everywhere I go.

The other day in a supermarket, I turned to the black man waiting in the check-out line next to me and found myself saying in a loud voice, “Now, you're going to get all your brothers and sistahs to vote for Obama, I hope!”
He laughed and said, “You bet I will! At which point everyone around us, Latinos, Asians, Russians, whites of all shades, started to mumble and chime in until we had something like a mini rally going on in the store, everyone grinning and swearing by God, they'd get the last reluctant relative out from behind the stove to make Obama win.

I left on cloud nine, close to tears. What I bought, I can barely eat. Lost quite a few pounds these last few weeks.

Will stimulate the economy in the next few days by buying new jeans and T's and taking girlfriends to lunch in a local restaurant.

m

  Pelle : focusing

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Pelle said Nov 4, 2008, 10:09 AM:

 

Darn, I wish I could be in the US today :)

It's a historical day, and I can imagine that magic is in the air.

Let's just hope that the voting system works for once, like it does in other first world countries :P

Pelle
  Balder : Kosmonaut

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Balder said Nov 4, 2008, 10:12 AM:

 

Tell me about it.  Jeesh.

  Mascha : drop

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Mascha said Nov 4, 2008, 11:23 AM:

 

Just saw this on an activist message board:

I work on Michigan Avenue and it is a MADHOUSE!

 
The party has already started! Street Vendors are at work, people are laughing, smiling, high-fiving! The Crowd is starting to make their way to the Park. Press was swarming.
~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's in Chicago, and the Park is where O will give his acceptance speech tonight – from behind a bullet-proof shield according to several reports… like the Pope! But I'm glad about every bit of extra protection he and his family gets.

m

 

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

gitanjali [no longer around] said Nov 4, 2008, 12:17 PM:

 

morning y'all!

just looking at everything online i can….

voted with my heart….

had a strange dream last night about a one week old baby put in a basket cast out on to the ocean, finding its way to a new shore, watched over by the moonlight

Gitanjali

  maryw : ponderer

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

maryw said Nov 4, 2008, 12:56 PM:

 

Gitanjali, that image in your dream –

a one week old baby put in a basket cast out on to the ocean, finding its way to a new shore, watched over by the moonlight

gives me joyous chills!

And it also seems to resonate with the passing of Obama's grandmother yesterday …. sad that she could not make it through the election, but, as a friend of mine mused yesterday, perhaps she sensed things were going to be as they should be, and she knew she could leave ….

Tonight I'll be partying at the House of Blues in downtown San Diego – local Democrats are throwing a shindig there – with my hubby and peacenik buddies!   :-)

 

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

gitanjali [no longer around] said Nov 4, 2008, 3:19 PM:

 

God I wish i could be there partying with you and other democrats and geez, even some republicans!

Listening to ABC online in the office….

  Mascha : drop

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Mascha said Nov 4, 2008, 3:14 PM:

 

Compliments of Virginia Farm Girl

  adastra : Curious Mutant

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

adastra said Nov 4, 2008, 5:19 PM:

 

Cool picture, Mascha.

I'm watching the election results on MSNBC.COM streaming video (in case anyone was wondering) and also keeping an eye on this website, which has a useful graphical representation of where things stand.   Things are looking very good…

Any other websites that are useful or fun?

spirals,
Arthur

  Mascha : drop

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Mascha said Nov 4, 2008, 5:18 PM:

 

Okay, the political wonks on DU called it. By their calculations, Obama won the election just minutes ago when Pennsylvania went his way.

They say it's over. They're freaking out, popping champagne and posting crazy shit.

 Mind you, these guys are as paranoid and burnt by the last two stolen elections as anyone on the planet.

I can't think straight… too happy to even type this.

Huuuugs,
m

  Liz : deLizious

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Liz said Nov 4, 2008, 5:31 PM:

 

I'm at work. The campus is deserted. I got a parking spot in the best lot…all the carpool parking is empty. I've never seen it like this, and I was here for the previous 2 presidential elections.

My lab is busy, though. Turns out a lot of my students are immigrants and can't vote. But a lot wish they could.

I haven't gotten to the excited part yet.

Liz

  Lauren : mammal

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Lauren said Nov 4, 2008, 5:41 PM:

 

Watching the results on CNN and MSNBC streaming, with tabs open on Daily Kos, Huff Post,
and
also using these tools and crib sheets to follow the various races.



A 2 year old at one of the schools I work at saw this pin on my backpack today and shouted “Obama!”

  Tely : Truth Seeker

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Tely said Nov 4, 2008, 5:54 PM:

 

Happy New Year, everyone!  And Happy Birthday!  And Merry Christmas!  And congratulations!  Yippeeeeee!!!

I think this might be the first time in history that the whole world will be celebrating together!

Except, of course, Republican Americans, who are busy packing up to move to Texas.  No offense to you, Stacy!  :-)

 

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

gitanjali [no longer around] said Nov 4, 2008, 6:10 PM:

 

AMERICA

 

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

gitanjali [no longer around] said Nov 4, 2008, 6:11 PM:

 

YOU ARE BLOWING MY MIND!

I’m watching on CNN and ABC and keeping an eye on other majors and huff post.

  Mascha : drop

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Mascha said Nov 4, 2008, 6:30 PM:

 

Ha ha, get ready for the big O, honeypies.

We're overcoming right now. Yes!!!

And PS: I told you so.

xtc

  Lauren : mammal

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Lauren said Nov 4, 2008, 6:34 PM:

 

I can't breathe…

  Teenie~Dakini : ~.~  I have my moments  ~.~

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Teenie~Dakini said Nov 4, 2008, 6:34 PM:

 

Laughing… no offense Tely! 

We often joke that if one wants to teach/ practice Integral, well, leave the choir and come to the trenches ;-)  .. its one helluva practice, here in the Lonestar State  (and I often feel the lonestar ;-)

And in actuality, there's an ittybitty hub forming here… thanks (in part) to Stagen Leadership Institute.

Yeehaw ;pp
~S

  Liz : deLizious

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Liz said Nov 4, 2008, 6:41 PM:

 

Ohio called for Obama. It seems like a done deal. Oh, how I wish I were home!

A bunch of poeple in my community are over at my neighbor's house, watching it all on the big screen TV.

I have so much work to do tomorrow….I won't be able to concentrate!!

Imagine all of them all dressed up, walking down Pennsylvania Avenue with their finest clothes on….our First Family…

 

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

gitanjali [no longer around] said Nov 4, 2008, 6:52 PM:

 

dems 52 senate seats….

 

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

gitanjali [no longer around] said Nov 4, 2008, 6:54 PM:

 

waaah i wanna be in grant park (representing Australia!)

  Lauren : mammal

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Lauren said Nov 4, 2008, 7:01 PM:

 

This live blog widget (scroll down a little) with Sam Stein and Seth Colter Walls is pretty hot.

  Mascha : drop

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Mascha said Nov 4, 2008, 7:04 PM:

 

AAAAAAHHHRR, OMG, i wanted to scream just now but no sound came out. We did it! America is still a democracy, we're all crowding into Grant Park in spirit or in the flesh. These terrible 8 nightmare years are OVER.

I feel every emotion at once.

m

  Lauren : mammal

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Lauren said Nov 4, 2008, 7:04 PM:

 

And Indecision 2008 with Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert has just started on Comedy Central! Here's a link. I don't have time to figure out if you can stream it…

  Lauren : mammal

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Lauren said Nov 4, 2008, 7:14 PM:

 

There are no more Republican Representatives in New England.

  jikishin : composer

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

jikishin said Nov 4, 2008, 7:33 PM:

 

I'm appreciating the Al Jazeera/English coverage, their, US'08 The World Is Watching. (…which we happen to get with a Thai TV sat.package…)

If I find a link to a podcast I'll post it. The international voices chiming in is a great compliment to 'domestic' media.

Congradulations one&all !

K

  Teenie~Dakini : ~.~  I have my moments  ~.~

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Teenie~Dakini said Nov 4, 2008, 7:41 PM:

 

Cheers to you all! 

Let's keep this party moving… in the direction of C e l e b r a t i o n !!! Confetti kisses, Disco Dips and Booty Bumps…. Come on, Hooray, Yay! :-)))

~Stacy
Crank it!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H229IlRnzA

  Lauren : mammal

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Lauren said Nov 4, 2008, 8:00 PM:

 

CNN just projected Obama President-elect!!!!

  Tely : Truth Seeker

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Tely said Nov 4, 2008, 8:20 PM:

 

Watching Jesse Jackson cry, I'm crying, too.  Very moving.

  Liz : deLizious

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Liz said Nov 4, 2008, 8:32 PM:

 

Yay!

Dang. Trying to make that really big….

  Liz : deLizious

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Liz said Nov 4, 2008, 9:35 PM:

 

Oh.

My.

God.

I have a headache from happiness.

————-

When will it be ok to critique the black widow dress? Not yet? Ok.

 

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

gitanjali [no longer around] said Nov 4, 2008, 10:22 PM:

 

OH MY GOD.

You did it.  you did it, america.

Thank you to all the gods of earth. 

  Tely : Truth Seeker

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Tely said Nov 4, 2008, 10:46 PM:

 

We all did it, world!  I truly think this was a global effort that played out on American soil.

I shed more tears right after his acceptance speech when all the families came on stage together, except that I was laughing simultaneously while crying.  Mascha, I can relate to what you said about feeling everything at once.  Given that I usually don't care a whit about politics, I'm amazed at how much this election has meant to me.  It represents so many things on so many levels.

It's really windy in LA tonight, and I can't help but to think about the part in Grace and Grit where Treya dies and it's really windy.  Maybe the wind is mother nature cheering tonight….

  Teenie~Dakini : ~.~  I have my moments  ~.~

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Teenie~Dakini said Nov 4, 2008, 10:26 PM:

 

An email from Barack…  ( i'm touched, stellar move, i *love* this campaign, the leadership, the people: minds, hearts, motivation, clarity, manifestation… yada yada gush gush!! :=)

============================
Stacy –

I'm about to head to Grant Park to talk to everyone gathered there, but I wanted to write to you first.

We just made history.

And I don't want you to forget how we did it.

You made history every single day during this campaign – every day you knocked on doors, made a donation, or talked to your family, friends, and neighbors about why you believe it's time for change.

I want to thank all of you who gave your time, talent, and passion to this campaign.

We have a lot of work to do to get our country back on track, and I'll be in touch soon about what comes next.

But I want to be very clear about one thing…

All of this happened because of you.

Thank you,
Barack

  Mascha : drop

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Mascha said Nov 4, 2008, 11:02 PM:

 

Yeah, Barack knows how to stay in touch :) I got that email too and whispered, “Yes, Mr. President,” to get a headstart on the sound of it.

The phone kept ringing off the hook. Family members overseas were up at 5 a.m to congratulate me, personally! Ha ha, so funny. I guess everyone was relieved that I was no longer in danger of going into a suicidal death spiral or involved in the riots that were foretold should this election be contested once again.

Barack's brilliant acceptance speech had just about everyone crying at least a little bit, except for the cats and our neighbor's dog.

m

  Teenie~Dakini : ~.~  I have my moments  ~.~

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Teenie~Dakini said Nov 4, 2008, 11:05 PM:

 
  Teenie~Dakini : ~.~  I have my moments  ~.~

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Teenie~Dakini said Nov 4, 2008, 11:09 PM:

 

” Honey, I got my Country Back!!! ”

:=))
~Stacy
Elated…. too joyful to sleep! 

  Liz : deLizious

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Liz said Nov 4, 2008, 11:22 PM:

 

How 'bout that Jesse Jackson, eh? 


I'm wanting to say stuff, to reach out, but I'm at a loss for words tonight. This is the beginning of a very different world.

Liz

  Juliee : heart flow

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Juliee said Nov 4, 2008, 11:42 PM:

 

Even my kids are excited!

Congratulations

Julie x

  Fication : Integral dog trainer

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Fication said Nov 4, 2008, 11:42 PM:

 

Yes, U did it! :-)

Gratulations from the bottom of my heart! I'm proud of y'all! :-)

Kristian

  Teenie~Dakini : ~.~  I have my moments  ~.~

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Teenie~Dakini said Nov 4, 2008, 11:48 PM:

 

I hear ya Liz!

Goodnight All…. what I want to say, is that I will fall asleep tonight, with amazing peace.  A feeling of home has returned, a re-rooting, a re-berthing  (as in deep n wide ;-)

I remember after 9/11… the global community, so palpable/ vivacious, and it felt so right… an incredible space, movement!  A great YES! We are all in this together…  one HUM. (attention to both community and strategy)…   and then the stunning, and I felt callous, loss of that space/ community.

Tonight, that palpability, enlivening has returned to my being.  All night I feel as if you all are here, in my living room, the global living room and kosmic kitchen.  And I am so joyful and deeply relieved… its an opening, a return, an opportunity.  And this time I am wide awake, ready, responsible… any thing is possible!  Yes, yes we can!  (with arms of compassion, and a sword for discernment ;-)

Turning out the Light… sleepwell neighbors, sleep well.
~Stacy

  Pelle : focusing

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Pelle said Nov 5, 2008, 1:20 AM:

 

From the BBC coverage:

Many years from now, political science students will still be debating how a black guy from a broken home beat a war hero and ex-beauty queen to the US presidency.

  Pelle : focusing

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Pelle said Nov 5, 2008, 1:26 AM:

 

I'm just so very happy and emotional at the same time. Thank you Americans, you've done the whole world a huge service :)


And Barack… He's simultaneously a black man and a man that transcends race - he has the potential to be a healing factor for race relations around the world.

  james : human

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

james said Nov 5, 2008, 2:28 AM:

 

YES!!

Thank You America!!   :-)  :-) :-)

  james : human

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

james said Nov 5, 2008, 2:37 AM:

 

I stayed up till 5.30am UK time.

Laughed /cried a bucket listening to Obama's acceptance speech. Loved the way he actually gave credit to the central “healthy” Republican (blue) core values before then adding the wider vision of “healthy” Democratic (green) - transcending & including…oh yeah.

And Pelle, as well as being black and simultaneously transcending race, I kept thinking that of course he is also white in that his mother was white.

I really want to say that Obama being referred to as “a black man” is only partly correct. Or is that stretching things a bit too much….?

Anyways, I feel deep relief and a pulsing, global “we space”. I went to sleep with these thoughts: “I just witnessed a significant step along the spiral for our species” and “The store of love in the world just got a whole lot bigger”.

OK I'm gushing now  :-)

 

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

gitanjali [no longer around] said Nov 5, 2008, 2:49 AM:

 

yes james that's exactly what it feels like!

  Liz : Intersection Princess

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Liz said Nov 5, 2008, 3:16 AM:

 

I tried to stray up, it was clear how it would go by about 2 am, then I woke up at 4.30 having dosed off on the couch. I woke up this morning to find it all neatly tied up and confirmed.

I am so happy for all of you……….and for all of the rest of us outside the US too, this will mean changes for all of us.

It is, indeed, a wonderful world

Liz

  chris : Cerebral Potter

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

chris said Nov 5, 2008, 6:16 AM:

 

So much better than Christmas!  My daughter hasn't seen me this happy in a long, long time.
Ready, willing and able to start the changing!  God, the air seems so fresh this morning :) .
Chris

  Liz : deLizious

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Liz said Nov 5, 2008, 7:44 AM:

 

Last night I just wanted to be able to see each of you and hug you and tell you how much I know we all wanted this. But I have to admit I really wanted to hug Mary the most. I know it's not supposed to be about race. But for the first time, we've transcended and included it, instead of pushing it aside, not looking, or making it more than it is. 


Liz

  timelody : Integral Artis Dramatis Musica

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

timelody said Nov 5, 2008, 8:09 AM:

 

Unbelievable. Good morning all.

I have never been so proud to be an American, so proud of this democracy, I have never believed in it so much. It's definitely hard to tally all the emotions, but …

 What I can say this morning is, it finally feels like the 21st Century.

We have enterd the 21st Century. It has finally arrived. Not the 12th of the 16th … the 21st.

I am so proud of this country today  …

  Daniel : Hawkeye

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Daniel said Nov 5, 2008, 8:56 AM:

 

Now lets see if the proof is in the pudding and if words are put into action. He has four years to prove himself.

  Eddie : Reconsiderer

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Eddie said Nov 5, 2008, 9:23 AM:

 

I loved that mention about summoning a new sense of responsibility, if I remember right. I heard it while sitting in my car drinking a latte, and listening to the radio while a clerk at a local restaurant closed down his shop. I admired his seeming commitment and love of his job, the care he seemed to put into closing the restaraunt for the night. I get the sense from both candidates this election that they both really believed in their country and in being servants to it, and loved the opportunity to hold that spot. I feel inspired.

Obama!

  timelody : Integral Artis Dramatis Musica

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

timelody said Nov 5, 2008, 9:40 AM:

 

Hawkeye: Now lets see if the proof is in the pudding and if words are put into action. He has four years to prove himself.

As far as I'm concerned he already has proven himself, and we have proven ourselves as a country.

A blurb from theheadlines:

The turn-out was record high. The voters: a rich palate of American diversity – women, blacks, Hispanics, whites – young people and old.

They made history – redrawing the nation’s electoral map, turning red states blue, and confounding the cynics as they elected the nation’s first African-American President.

An estimated 136 million Americans – as many as 66 percent, the most since 1908 – pulled a lever, touched a screen, or filled in ballot. They are part of a radical transformation of American politics – not just in terms of ideology and party identification. It goes much further than that.

President-elect Barack Obama, harnessing the lightening speed of digital technology, tapped a new generation of young people, inspiring them to work, knock on doors, make phone calls, convince their parents, friends, neighbors, and grandparents that there was something in America still worth fighting for.

Obama has already re-shaped the political landscape of this country, brought it into the 21st cenury, a new day, a new generation, a new world; he brought down the entire Washington political machine of the past, from Hillary to Bush/McCain … He moved Americans to break all records in campaign funding, the money being raised by ordinary American people, young and old, of great, genuine diversity. The “special interest” that supported this was the populace, which trounced the old rich, white, elite tradition, which included both dems and reps. That's change. One could go on.

He's certainly proven something so far. And so have we.

Tim

  maryw : ponderer

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

maryw said Nov 5, 2008, 10:24 AM:

 

xoxoxo Tam- Liz – in my mind's eye I saw you with tears flowing down your face last night –

and Big Hugs and Smooches to All Y'all as well !!!!!!!!!!!

(this was intended to be posted further up on the thread, oh well ….)

  maryw : ponderer

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

maryw said Nov 5, 2008, 10:57 AM:

 

Last night we were in this long line of people outside the House of Blues (which turned out to be a great place to watch election results and speeches) – a delightfully mixed crowd, white, black, Latino, Asian, various mixtures thereof, elderly and young …. we were to be let in a 8:00 p.m., as soon as all the polls in the nation had closed. But it was still a teeny bit before 8 when this wild, joyous cheer erupted through the crowd and on the streets – Obama had already been declared the president-elect – and people started hugging and crying and cell-phoning, horns started honking – like the world had just been emancipated! It was incredible. 

And once inside we got to see McCain's concession speech and Obama's acceptance speech on a big screen ….  jesus the jubilation in that room! – like an indoors Grant Park – and I kept hearing people ask: is this for real? we're not dreaming, are we? did the election really end this quickly, this smoothy, in one fell swoop? Is the world really this full of surprise and possibility?

And wasn't Obama's acceptance speech spectacular? I know, I know, we've got lots of work to do, and these coming years will be challenging – the worst may well be ahead of us. As well as the best! This is a real gift, people – a leader with heart, strength, and smarts, with such talents for inspiration and perserverance.

I will never say never again!!!!

Flowing with history, breaking out in jubilation –

Mary

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timelody said Nov 5, 2008, 12:38 PM:

 

Mary: …and I kept hearing people ask: is this for real? we're not dreaming, are we? did the election really end this quickly, this smoothy, in one fell swoop? Is the world really this full of surprise and possibility?


I felt the same way. They announced victory so quick, McCain gave his concession so quick, and then that beautiful acceptence speech … it was a real “pinch one's self” moment, especially after such a long and drawn out campaign (is it really over? etc.)

But more than anything, following through to this morning, one of the main reasons it felt like a dream was because it also felt SO REAL. I cannot believe the optimism I have for America, democratic ideals and: for Integral. It really feels like a reality check, and a taking re-taking of stock of the last eight years where everything from sustainablity, to globalism, multiculturalism, diversity, ORANGE … was all just so … wow I mean, I certainly complained about it at the time, but it's like when you're ill or in pain for so long you just get used to it and don't even notice anymore . .

I also think - and who agrees with me? - I really think we have taken a major turn here in America's distrust of it's own government.

“Yes we can!” says it all.

And I agree with you Mary: “I will never say never again!!!!”

In my own life, my own gen-x, post boomer, late-20th century American life, I know I have certainly leaned heavily toward the “never” for a long time and in a lot of ways … .

This election has really changed my entire inner life .  . . And I am just as amazed that that could even happen.

Here's to the LR!

  Tely : Truth Seeker

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Tely said Nov 5, 2008, 9:17 PM:

 

Tim, you said

I also think - and who agrees with me? - I really think we have taken a major turn here in America's distrust of it's own government.

Yes, yes, yes!  I think this is one really important significance of this election. This election holds so much meaning in so many ways, both for individuals and for the collective, that it's mind-blowing.  I'm sure books will be written about it.

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Gina said Nov 5, 2008, 1:15 PM:

 


Something Tim said:
In my own life, my own gen-x, post boomer, late-20th century American life, I know I have certainly leaned heavily toward the “never” for a long time and in a lot of ways …

Got me thinking about the swing vote and how many of us might actually be Jones'

It has long bothered me that I felt neither X nor Boom and perhaps this is another reason Obama had a wide variety of supporters.
(he's Jones'n too)

  Daniel : Hawkeye

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Daniel said Nov 5, 2008, 3:25 PM:

 


I am happy for our first black president, but really don't feel that progressive voting because of that because I was ready for it since I was old enough to vote. It has been long overdue and this delay reflects among many other things the center of gravity the masses have been living from. I feel like I've been living ahead of the curve for decades. I hope this reflects a shift upwards for the nation and the world. I am from Illinois and lived recently in Chicago for two years. It's amazing that Obama comes from “The Land of Lincoln”. It's a powerful symbolic parallel that our first black president is a senator from the same state that Lincoln (who also was a senator from Illinois) came from.


Regardless of what ethnicity my president is and the exuberant pride people are expressing, I'll reserve my enthusiasm until I actually see results regarding “real change” however. Too many politicians have let down too many people too many times. I don't put much faith in politicians or politics these days (a representative government and the elitism involved to make that possible still has many shortcomings to overcome before a more enlightened government can evolve).

If Obama is the “middle way” many have been hoping for and proves to be transpartisan with an integral cherry on top then it will truly be a historic election. By their fruits you shall know them. Obama needs to bear the fruit of his promises. He now has his chance. The flowers on the cherry trees are beginning to bud…I am expecting a bumper crop. 

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marigpa said Nov 5, 2008, 3:42 PM:

 

Woke up around 7am, aware as I was waking that the result would have been called, could barely contain an excitement and anticipation that was tinged yet with “surely they can't have…”, went straight to the BBC website and there it was … that amazing victory speech. Didn't have time to listen to it all, out all day with no internet access but all the staff and students where I was working were deliriously happy at the news, everyone full of renewed faith and optimism.

Thank you, you magnificent man. You have single-handedly given the rest of the world just cause to dare to believe again that things can be ok.

Thank you all those wonderful folk who did all the campaigning, and those who stood for hours in those long long queues to vote. We need to rediscover our faith in the political and democratic process here in the UK, and methinks this shuddering and shifting in the matrix that Mascha spoke of elsewhere will have its effect and get many more of us out to the polling booths come our general election.

Its now gone 11:30pm. This time last night I was looking at a 0 - 0 scoreline, with West Virginia expected soon… and now of course it reads 349 - 162. I still can't get over it. God bless the United States of America.

Lol

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adastra said Nov 5, 2008, 5:59 PM:

 

A photograph of America's new president.


A really great photograph, via Boston.com. Does anyone have photog credit info? Link to original photo series, a collection of portraits of our president-elect (who, as the shot demonstrates, sometimes reads the Wall Street Journal). Here's the info on this photograph:

US Democratic presidential candidate Illinois Senator Barack Obama shares a fist bump with Ethan Gibbs, the five year-old son of campaign communication director Robert Gibbs, upon disembarking from his campaign plane at Dulles airport in Chantilly, Virgina, on October 22, 2008. (EMMANUEL DUNAND/AFP/Getty Images) #
(via @SdGeek)

(source)

~~~
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jikishin said Nov 5, 2008, 6:48 PM:

 

 Just off the phone with my sister in Vermont. She echoed so many of the sentiments expressed today, those of this thread, of the spirit of the day felt and shared so widely, all local, all beyond just us…

She said she had a song in her head throughout the day yesterday and that when she got home her sixteen year old daughter was singing that song ('o happy day'). So I told her what I'd posted as my “status” for the day…

“…using the mantra 'Oh Happy Day' with the slow clapping mudra and the swaying in a wave pose.”

The open connectedness of the collective moment is undeniable. I want to remember to build on these emergent shifts, to keep recognizing what's new in these nested systems we're busy being.

yours in deep gloating,

K

  Mascha : drop

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Mascha said Nov 5, 2008, 7:37 PM:

 





Inauguration day for Barack is one day after Martin Luther King Day 2009 in America.

And if that's not enough, the Obamas have announced that they'll get a rescued puppy from the dog pound for their daughters as a reward for putting up with all this stress, instead of buying a dog from a breeder.

But wait, it gets better…

my head just exploded it seems.

xtc

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Gman said Nov 5, 2008, 9:38 PM:

 

Unfortunately, I don't share many of your sentiments…..

I would not have chosen ANY either Obama or McCain as someone to be president.

Anyway, it's over and done with.  

Obama has a socialist agenda, and that's fine, but do you really want the government managing your health care and other stuff?  These are the same morons that can't keep social security from going broke.

The more power you give the government, the less freedom you have.

 

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gitanjali [no longer around] said Nov 6, 2008, 1:46 AM:

 

. Power, Joy, Grief And Fatigue = One Whole Person

When Obama took the stage, we saw a man embodying a complex array of feeling. He looked tired, of course, and who wouldn't be? A ten-year-old in the room, who hadn't heard of the death of Barack's grandmother, said “He looks sad.” It takes a deeply integrated person to let his grief be visible on a night of overwhelming victory. This is a key to his personality, and bodes well for the future of his presidency. It takes enormous strength to let your vulnerabilities rest so comfortably in yourself that they can be readily seen.


There was one emotion we're glad was missing from Obama and the crowd in Grant Park: any sense of triumphant glee. We couldn't help wondering if it would have been present in McCain's supporters had the tables been turned. John McCain had to silence a few boos and jeers from his audience, but by and large they just looked sad, tired and meek.


Finally, we were deeply moved by Obama's body language at the end, in the easy way he brought forth the other members of his and Biden's family to share the stage. He seemed to melt into them, as if he knows deep in his bones that none of this is really about him as an individual ego. There's a huge difference between needing to be the center of things and simply being in the middle of things. Somehow, despite all the adulation and glory (as well as the relentless attacks mounted by the other side) Obama still knows what he's known all along: he's one of us.

Gay and hubby Hendriks

  Lauren : mammal

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Lauren said Nov 6, 2008, 6:29 AM:

 

Everyone!

I haven't had a chance to catch up on the comments here since 11 pm (Eastern – when victory became clear) two nights ago. I can't wait till after work today to get back and read you all and share some of what I've been experiencing.

Something amazing has happened and is happening!

I'm thinking – cynicism makes us distrust our own better nature, as individuals too; it doesn't just make us lose faith in humanity, in the collective. The power of one person who has a deeper faith in our better nature, who holds that faith while immersed in a collective body that is deeply cynical and beholden to fear, has proven immense! The steadiness of this man's vision and faith has awakened it in the collective, and is a measure of his own awakening and leadership capability. In his presence I sense the collective – the power of his loved ones, his collaborators, the many ancestors representing many threads of our collective journey, and the part of the body politic that has remained committed to a deep vision of truth, goodness, beauty, and has fought/worked/played tirelessly towards this vision! I am awed! By him, yes, but most importantly, by us!

LOVE,
Lauren

  Mascha : drop

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Mascha said Nov 6, 2008, 10:39 AM:

 

Lauren, your words triggered an avalanche that is still rolling down the slopes in me. Building on your insight, I want to toss out some thoughts that aren't as articulate as I would want them to be, but hey - we're amongst ourselves here, Friends with a capital F.

So… What happened looks to me like a mass initiation… millions (and perhaps even billions) of people worldwide becoming the recipients of a transmission the likes of which you experience individually, but only if you're lucky enough to be ready for it and in the right place at the right time. The master-transmitter is a conduit, an empty vessel, and what pours through him or her is the power of our common Source. Carlos Castaneda describes this in terms of  “shifting your assemblage point” - the nexus of your self-identity. I have experienced initiations like that personally, some major ones and many, many mini-shifts.

This election then marked a global shift from a narrow-minded, contracted Us versus Them mode of being to… how shall it put it?… Broadband. From Dial-up to Broadband we went, and it was very slow in coming, but the final tipping point occurred suddenly. Last Tuesday, the world jumped into a higher, faster freqency or groove – and the release continues, the fallout reverberates. I am confident that those who don't feel “it” now will catch the next wave, or the one after that… And some will drown resisting the currents  that no one can fight once they've become too strong.

m

  Tely : Truth Seeker

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Tely said Nov 7, 2008, 9:18 AM:

 

(reposted)
Mascha, what's funny/interesting is that what you're saying is actually consistent with the idea of Obama being a messiah.  The way I see it, a messiah is just that – a conduit for the greater Source.  I hadn't given much credence to the messiah idea before, but now that I look at it that way, wow - interesting!

  Mascha : drop

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Mascha said Nov 7, 2008, 11:40 AM:

 

Tely, I'll respond differently this time, now that the previous replies to your post are gone.

The word Messiah is loaded with different meanings depending on cultures and contexts - as we know. I resonate with your interpretation of the word: ”a conduit for the greater Source”, because that means any one of us can be the Messiah - even for just a day or a brief moment, and at any time when our common Source is allowed to come through and act through us.

In Buddhist lore there is a saying that the Buddha promised his disciples that he would come back, and he would be known as Maitreya, which literally means “the Friend.” In the Buddhist version of the Christian concept of “the Second Coming”, the next turning of the wheel of Dharma would not be accomplished by a single man but by the many, the Maitreyas, the friends standing next to us in the check-out line.

“Yes, WE can,” contains an echo of this idea if you have an ear for the subtexts and the eye to see what Obama has set out to catalyse for the US and for us in the we-space globally.

m

P.S. James, I loved your account of the empowerment that is spreading so quickly now in so many ripples across the pond and beyond.

:D

  Tely : Truth Seeker

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Tely said Nov 7, 2008, 12:43 PM:

 

Nice!  This makes me think about the beautiful piece Mary wrote that addresses the We-as-Messiah issue.

  Lauren : mammal

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Lauren said Nov 7, 2008, 5:44 PM:

 

Mascha:
“…the next turning of the wheel of Dharma would not be accomplished by a single man but by the many, the Maitreyas, the friends standing next to us in the check-out line…”
I am so down with this!


Photoshop yourself in here.


Aie. I love you freaks!

Bummed about the deleted posts. I'll try to resuscitate mine – I think I copied some of it in a letter to a mentor of mine.
xxoooo

  Mascha : drop

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Mascha said Nov 7, 2008, 6:36 PM:

 

The messiah took to the streets en masse that night

  Lauren : mammal

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Lauren said Nov 7, 2008, 7:04 PM:

 

Funny Mascha,

Just a few hours ago I was wishing that this conversation had broader participation on Gaia.

How do you read my mind/heart so consistently?

Love,
Lauren

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Teenie~Dakini said Nov 6, 2008, 4:23 PM:

 

Hello All…

My past day+ has been a bit different from what I've been hearing from many of you (and some of my other friends) who are still surfing Jubilee, pumped, optimistic.

Curiously (to me), I hit an energetic, emotional, directional wall yesterday, just before lunch.  It totally caught me off guard… especially as I was feeling AWESOME in the morning, re-watching Obama's acceptance speech again, tearing and cheering, and then marveling with my non-local friends… “pinch me, its not a dream” realization :=))

So this depression, deflation was a bit drastic, er stark.  Standard Stacy procedure ;), I assume agitatedly that something has shifted within me, perhaps a knot is bubbling to the surface, and this is the timing… the ripening. So what the hell??  Why now?  The unraveling begins… s l o w l y   because I felt so damn deadened, beat, drained.

It wasn't until *this* afternoon, that it began to dawn on me… I am in fact feeling my environment, my neighbors, my community, my Texans! The interaction that I've had with them has, on the surface, been fine.  In fact, when I asked my friendly neighbor vet, how things were going, he said “Great”.  I walked away with a gnawing, nagging sense… what's going on, he seems incongruent, that's not like him (my self/ other reflection flares up ;) … something is amiss…

And that's the thing. It's really still here. Like someone died… I'm not being funny… it does feel like mourning, but very silent.  No one is really talking about it (the loss).  And I didn't understand this, notice it, in all the hub-bub of my celebration and feeling the collective spirit, the openness, until my jubilee stopped enough to dial in the “other” perspective.

So I wonder now, how they/we will move through this phase… 

Mmmm and this isn't to suggest that as I unraveled the initial heavy unknown, that I didn't have my own “stuff” in there… I did.  Good 'ole drops, currents and waves and their touching reflective qualities!!

Anyhoo… I thought this interesting ;)

Cheers,
Stacy

  Lauren : mammal

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Lauren said Nov 6, 2008, 5:24 PM:

 

Stacy,

Your post moves me.

It is profound, to have the fluidity, compassion, wisdom to dial in to the “other” perspective, and ultimately to recognize that other is a projection, and self/other a game that we play.

The jubilation seems important to me as I think we need the unleashing of that energy to build faith in humanity and ourselves, to metabolize the toxins of feeling cynical and powerless and hopeless for long periods of time (perhaps most of our lives, some of us), to grow endurance and faith for the lean times when we doubt what's possible and lose faith in ourselves/humanity. We need an experience of such undeniable collective exultation to restore and nurture the vision and faith we'll need. Yet, it is a somewhat polarized experience, and ultimately I guess that what sustains us is not jubilation and righteousness, but a quiet, sober, unwavering trust in our wholeness.

I also think we need a willingness to take in our projections, all day long, and to build our capacity to choose and act from our greatest awareness in each moment.

Thanks for reminding me again to own the “other”, and take it back in.

Wow.

  Lauren : mammal

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Lauren said Nov 6, 2008, 5:50 PM:

 

Then again, Stacy, maybe this better explains your malaise.

  Teenie~Dakini : ~.~  I have my moments  ~.~

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Teenie~Dakini said Nov 6, 2008, 7:27 PM:

 

Lauren…. laughing!  Oh yes, this was one of the scenarios run through my BS barometer, shadow projection insight detector!!  I saw this video, also, yesterday morning… And there was definitely a pinch of it in the mix  (cuz I didn't have the time or resources to be *that* obsessed… :-))

Thanks for the reminder…. I love the video!

Big squeeze  ~Stacy

  Mascha : drop

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Mascha said Nov 6, 2008, 8:02 PM:

 

Stacy, I just want to say there is such a thing as processing the karma of the beings in our environment. How can it be otherwise? The greater our awareness, the more we include in our self-sense. And this sensitivity is absorbent, it literally soaks up the undigested chunks of repressed material in others all around and refines them, thus changing the atmosphere. But it's really important not to swallow too much and hang with people who can return the favor and process some of our low-end stuff.

That's why we have Satsangs - like this one here.

m

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Liz said Nov 6, 2008, 5:41 PM:

 

I also had a great letdown. There are several parts to it: I put off doing things that were too intense for me while the buildup to the election was so instense. So I've been overwhelmed with stuff since then.

Also, we've spent a great deal of time feeling powerless and hopeless in this presidency, and we can finally heave a sigh of relief. But after that comes the space to actually feel all that stuff we've been having to sit on for 8 years. There is grief!

And for the supporters of McCain, what they must feel! He was a man who seemed to be not beholden to the powers in the GOP that were running it so cynically for so long. And what happened during the election? It was like he was the sacrificial lamb. What a misbegotten campaign. I wouldn't want to be on the losing side of a landslide…reminds me of how I felt when Reagan was elected.

I was in the DMV yesterday, and the guy who took my picture was not happy about my Obama shirt. Not rude or anything, but I really felt for him. I felt bad that he might have felt like I was gloating.

And finally, for me it's very much like the feeling after final exams. A great buildup, then it's SO wonderful to be done…and then? You leave for summer vacation. All the energy dissipates, and it's lonely. and maybe you have a job to go to, and there's work to be done, and there's no such thing as Prince Charming coming in to save the day. It's rolling up our sleeves time.

Liz

  Lauren : mammal

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Lauren said Nov 6, 2008, 5:35 PM:

 

My mother and aunt and I were weeping the other night – when Obama's victory became certain, when he gave his speech, watching the faces of the people on the tv – all of it, overwhelmingly moving. Then I cried again when my mother said “I had no idea how much I was holding in, how painful it was to have grown so cynical, how afraid I was to really hope!”

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timelody said Nov 6, 2008, 6:23 PM:

 

“I had no idea how much I was holding in, how painful it was to have grown so cynical, how afraid I was to really hope!”

That really is it, isn't it? Or such a major part of it. For me I recognized a lifetime of political cynicism that for the very first time ever … changed. I've been wanting to write a blog about it. I was raised by political cynicism (and I don't mean by my family; it's part of our culture).

This caused me to reflect not only upon my life and the perspective of my generation, but unpon the profound impact of the LR on our consciousness at all times. This then caused a reflection (another one, in a new way, however) the fact that, 8 years ago, many people breathed their own sigh of relief from something they had been holding in for a long time. They placed so much hope in George Bush and a return to traditional values, etc.

But what is the difference this time?

For me it's two things.

One, speaking from my generational standpoint this is the very, very first election ever that reflects me. Not a boomer, not a WWII. (And incidentally, thanks for the “jones” insight. I'd never heard of that before but it makes so much sense).

But the other thing, even more important perhaps, is that this election meant so much to so many diverse groups that are all already and always were part of the American picture, but many of which felt previosuly disenfranchized (and many of which were), many for their enitre life. And what's more, they all came together. Yes, we can. The AUDACITY of HOPE.

“Rednecks for Obama. Even we have had enough.” This one still makes me cry.

There's so much more going on here than “the economy …” (but that's certainly a part of it too).

  Lauren : mammal

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Lauren said Nov 6, 2008, 6:18 PM:

 

Apologies, I can't seem to shut up…

Mary said “The worst may well be ahead of us… as well as the best.” I feel that way too.


And Tim:
“This election has really changed my entire inner life .  . . And I am just as amazed that that could even happen…”
I totally relate.

  Liz : deLizious

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Liz said Nov 6, 2008, 6:45 PM:

 

Rednecks for Obama…yeah. I think for lots of people with traditional values, it's also been a rough time. Because the GOP doesn't really represent them, it's just using them to get in power. I'd feel mighty bitter if I'd put my heart and soul into these elections, only to have scandal after scandal break out in my own party. The cognitive dissonance from the Republicans is a total (pardon the expression) mindfuck.

Liz

  Lauren : mammal

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Lauren said Nov 6, 2008, 6:57 PM:

 

The Root

An Open Letter to Barack Obama

Alice Walker on expectations, responsibilities and a new reality that is almost more than the heart can bear.

Nov. 5, 2008

Dear Brother Obama,

You have no idea, really, of how profound this moment is for us. Us being
the black people of the Southern United States. You think you know, because
you are thoughtful, and you have studied our history. But seeing you deliver
the torch so many others before you carried, year after year, decade after
decade, century after century, only to be struck down before igniting the
flame of justice and of law, is almost more than the heart can bear. And
yet, this observation is not intended to burden you, for you are of a
different time, and, indeed, because of all the relay runners before you,
North America is a different place. It is really only to say: Well done. We
knew, through all the generations, that you were with us, in us, the best of
the spirit of Africa and of the Americas. Knowing this, that you would
actually appear, someday, was part of our strength. Seeing you take your
rightful place, based solely on your wisdom, stamina and character, is a
balm for the weary warriors of hope, previously only sung about.

I would advise you to remember that you did not create the disaster that the
world is experiencing, and you alone are not responsible for bringing the
world back to balance. A primary responsibility that you do have, however,
is to cultivate happiness in your own life. To make a schedule that permits
sufficient time of rest and play with your gorgeous wife and lovely
daughters. And so on. One gathers that your family is large. We are used to
seeing men in the White House soon become juiceless and as white-haired as
the building; we notice their wives and children looking strained and
stressed. They soon have smiles so lacking in joy that they remind us of
scissors. This is no way to lead. Nor does your family deserve this fate.
One way of thinking about all this is: It is so bad now that there is no
excuse not to relax. From your happy, relaxed state, you can model real
success, which is all that so many people in the world really want. They may
buy endless cars and houses and furs and gobble up all the attention and
space they can manage, or barely manage, but this is because it is not yet
clear to them that success is truly an inside job. That it is within the
reach of almost everyone.

I would further advise you not to take on other people's enemies. Most
damage that others do to us is out of fear, humiliation and pain. Those
feelings occur in all of us, not just in those of us who profess a certain
religious or racial devotion. We must learn actually not to have enemies,
but only confused adversaries who are ourselves in disguise. It is
understood by all that you are commander in chief of the United States and
are sworn to protect our beloved country; this we understand, completely.
However, as my mother used to say, quoting a Bible with which I often
fought, “hate the sin, but love the sinner.” There must be no more crushing
of whole communities, no more torture, no more dehumanizing as a means of
ruling a people's spirit. This has already happened to people of color, poor
people, women, children. We see where this leads, where it has led.

A good model of how to “work with the enemy” internally is presented by the
Dalai Lama, in his endless caretaking of his soul as he confronts the
Chinese government that invaded Tibet. Because, finally, it is the soul that
must be preserved, if one is to remain a credible leader. All else might be
lost; but when the soul dies, the connection to earth, to peoples, to
animals, to rivers, to mountain ranges, purple and majestic, also dies. And
your smile, with which we watch you do gracious battle with unjust
characterizations, distortions and lies, is that expression of healthy
self-worth, spirit and soul, that, kept happy and free and relaxed, can find
an answering smile in all of us, lighting our way, and brightening the
world.

We are the ones we have been waiting for.

In Peace and Joy,
Alice Walker

  timelody : Integral Artis Dramatis Musica

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timelody said Nov 6, 2008, 8:58 PM:

 

Also on another incidental note - I am so glad this man brings back the age of great oratory - or better said, brings the great, lost art of oratory into the 21st century. Everybody might not realize this, but this is a big cultural shift too! Mondale actually used Regan's speaking skills against him. The general cynical and distrusting idea being that there is some kind of, eventually, lie going on behind all the “great speech.” (So thus, talk poorly and you're the better person. Mondale won 16 electoral votes. Woops! McCain tried to use that argument as well … .)

A republican I know who voted for him said “this guy gives me chills when he speaks” and said he really did feel like Obama was sent here (as in something spiritual) to save the US.

  Juliee : heart flow

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Juliee said Nov 6, 2008, 11:37 PM:

 

It appears a chunk of posts have disappeared as I deleted Mascha's double post.
We're working on retrieving them.

Julie

 

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gitanjali [no longer around] said Nov 7, 2008, 12:31 AM:

 

Hey everyone I really felt nourished reading all your experiences just now - different, valid, all part of the tapestry of us.

One of the feelings I have at the moment…is feeling motivated. I relate to those who said here they had no idea just how cynical they were politically.  I feel I had no idea just how cynical I was politically and personally. 

Personally, it shows up in me not wanting to fully express my soul on earth.  I can spend a lot of time living internally and not fully expressing my deepest values outwardly and in my environment. I think I've got a fair bit of introversion in me.  I can be detached from what's going on around me at a very human level sometimes.  And I think he shows me the appeal of expressing and acting out one's DEEPEST values.

I feel also a bit full.  Its good to have someone whose values I relate to in such a wordly power position.  There's an integration in that situation that I love.

I loved that video Lauren linked.  I was a bit worried about feeling a gap myself - cos I have been obsessed. And very pleased it hasnt happened so far! I do wish the newly transparent white house would consider having a weekly reality show of what they are doing just like the “west wing” only crunchier. I'd like to see how Rahm Emmanuel plays the chief of staff character and is puggish and loyal to the max.  And how David axelrod plays the guy he looks like on west wing (i forget all their names) and is the sage, shrewd advisor etc etc

I know i'd be an avid fan.

Gitanjali








  Juliee : heart flow

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Juliee said Nov 7, 2008, 12:42 AM:

 

Sorry folks.
I deleted a post which had replies attached to them. I've left a message with the tech team to see if they can help, otherwise all I can do is ask people to repost.

Sorry.

Julie

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james said Nov 7, 2008, 8:13 AM:

 

Hi everyone


An experience of “The Obama Effect” from overseas…?

I watched one of the BBC's flagship current affairs programmes, “Question Time”,  last night and there was something different going on. Perhaps you have a similar programme in the US but for those who may well not know it, the format is having a chaired panel of experts (so-called) usually made up of key UK politicians plus interesting “celebrities” or academics, all of whom give their individual replies to questions put by members of the audience (the audience is made of members of the general public). This is interspersed with the chairperson (David Dimblebey) also inviting other members of the audience for their opinions on the given question.

Brian Eno was on there alongside the politicians, talking about cosnciousness and a change in philosophy but not in an airy fairy way - he was recalling how he had written to ministers in the past and he's very clued up on political details - plus there were some seriously intelligent and radical members of the audience asking and making really insightful comments and questions. (And, interestingly, despite being in the minority, the most eloquent members of the audience were all black.)

And each time they did this, the rest of the audience were breaking into loud spontaneous applause, and the so-called panel of experts including Jack Straw (Foreign Secretary at the time of the start of the Iraq War) were left fumbling and spluttering….. questions about the Iraq War, the bailout of the banks, obama and race….
 
I watch this porgramme regularly and it felt something like “the obama effect” or something. People not taking the shit anymore and feeling their own power in the face of lying politicians and bankers, actually knowing that we know better than they do, and feeling that it's time we started saying so.

And this even spilled over onto today's episode of one of the more intelligent radio shows, Simon Mayo on BBC 5 LIVE, with live callers openly challenging supporters of the banks and of Gordon Brown's laissez faire attitide towards unfettered capitalism over the last 10 years, with incisive well researched responses - and the key thing for me as I listened was that they weren't backing down in the face of the usual patronising platitudes from the so-called experts.

Something's going on here….  :-)

James

P.S. Loved the audience reaction here as well as Stephen Colbert's  If ever you start to wonder how important this thing is, just listen to that spontaneous roar of joy!  :-)

P.P.S. Apologies for any strange font variations!?

  maryw : ponderer

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maryw said Nov 7, 2008, 4:35 PM:

 

Aaiieee, I want to write more in this thread now but just don't have time! Having an “Obamanation” movie night shindig (kind of a combo belated Halloween gathering + hallelujah Obama party) this weekend and need to clean house and prepare. Back in a coupla days …..

Mary, just about over her emotional hangover …..

  Mascha : drop

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Mascha said Nov 7, 2008, 6:07 PM:

 

An excerpt from Mary's blogpost (which you absolutely gotta read from the beginning if you know what's good for you).
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Mary said:


If our martyrs and “messiahs” are actually flawed, souls with feet of clay, ordinary and broken people who have chosen to exercise their particular gifts, then it behooves us to get off our ordinary, flawed, stumbling butts, to stop putting off what we are to do, stay the course, share our gifts, to, as the previously posted song goes, finish what we started ….

And ponder this: messiahs offer salvation. Salvation is the noun form of to salve, i.e., to heal, to remedy, to reconnect what has been broken. It is also related to the word “salvage” - to rescue something from wreckage or ruin. If Obama's work and presence really makes us want to be better people, if we are able to look at what we project onto him and reclaim our own trashed or unrecognized potential - who knows what treasures are to come? No, Obama is not “the messiah.” But with him we might discover that we are the messiahs we have been waiting for.

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This is a piece I want to print out and nail to the church doors everywhere with a large hammer. I want to stick it onto consumer temples and Insurance Towers, plaster the portals of banks with it and… ok, you get the idea. Must be a bit of Martin Luther and his namesake comin' through.

And why not, buster? (a variation of Yes, We Can  :D)

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  Lauren : mammal

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Lauren said Nov 7, 2008, 6:49 PM:

 

An attempt to post again some of what I said in a deleted post, substantially revised:

“Unity is most important for without unity, there is no hope; without hope, there is no change.  Without change there is no future.” - Obama

There is so much to share about what we have witnessed breaking into (collective) consciousness in the last few days – I am amazed, awed, sobered, restored to a deeper faith in humanity. Even more profound, I have never before felt so palpably the truth that the “outside” is the “inside”, and that collectively we are moving toward awakening to that fact.

I feel so hopeful for that reason – this is not ultimately about a victory of “us” over “them”, it is a shift in consciousness, towards responsibility. And I mean that in the biggest sense of responsibility. We are edging towards taking responsibility for our divided consciousness!

I keep thinking of that moment in Obama's victory speech when he said something like “That's the true genius of America – that America can change!” It was a watershed moment for me (literally – lots of weeping). Because I could sense that he really gets that we have to change in so many fundamental ways, and knows that without inspiring individuals to change fundamentally, we cannot change fundamentally as a society, a nation, and a species, and without that sort of fundamental wide-spread transformation, well…

But he also gets that there will be no meaningful transformation without unity; and I believe he understands that achieving unity is both an inside job and a collective endeavor. I never dared hope we as Americans would have a president who recognizes the necessity of transformation, and recognizes that it is not only a transformation in policies and systems that is needed, but also inner transformation, individually and culturally.

Like so many of you are saying here, I too had no idea how deep my political and general cynicism ran. That cynicism has been fed, ever more abundantly in this last decade, by my deteriorating loss of faith in humanity. By exhaustion, discouragement, chronically frustrated desires for courteous interactions, deeper connections, and evidence of human dignity, courage, and good will in my daily adventures out into the world (on the road, on the subways, on the streets, in the classrooms.) By the false equivalence that has taken over as the prevailing journalistic standard, and the distortions, lies, and misinformation, streaming, streaming, streaming forth, perpetuating ignorance and apathy. By feeling my own apathy and hopelessness and sense of powerlessness and seeing it mirrored in the faces of my peers. Most days I enjoy people and my own humanity, feel affection (along with substantial anger and disappointment), feel delight, feel into the grace that we are and receive inspiration from that (I get to spend lots of time around young children, so it’s easier, for me at least, to perceive the presence of the Source in such company.) But not in doses large enough to shake the overall growing sense of discouragement. This probably says more about me than it does about what I’ve been encountering, but I’ll own that weariness and loss of faith here, and ask you all to bear witness. The events of the last few months, and the culmination this week in Obama’s victory has changed all this. It doesn’t remove the discouragement – today, there it was again, that tired self-righteous feeling of wanting to shake people, the desperate frustrated searching in their eyes: “show me some light, show me what’s alive in there!” – but now I see that the discouragement is not to be believed, even if I can’t escape feeling it. Sure, there’s still a good chance we may choose to grow ever more discourteous, cynical, self-centered, short-sighted, deadened, apathetic, and irresponsible, but even if we do choose that, it’s not the truth of who we are. I believe in our better nature again, or for the first time, or for the first time inside an adult consciousness, even if we don’t choose it. And I’ve seen that the more of us who refuse to forget our better nature no matter how it feels or how discouraged we are, the better our chances of pulling a critical mass out of the comas and trances that are killing our joy and our prospects as a species.

Our deepest nature is openness, this ability to change and evolve while yet always being faithfully, unshakably rooted in the Center. Because we are rooted in the Core we have the ability to continually respond anew – this is our response ability. It is not just that we can change, it’s that we are change and changelessness both.

To move in the right direction along this path I feel that as a country we need a charismatic leader right now who inspires people to change, who believes in our power and grace and resilience and creativity and courage, who knows both our divinity and our humanity, and mirrors it for us, and holds the faith; and one such leader has emerged, and his emerging is a catalyst for the emergence of more such visionaries and inspirational leaders.

I can't imagine how else we as a larger collective will transform, kick our resistance and all the habits it feeds, change our way of life, take responsibility for our excesses and failures, and step up to the plate over and over and over and over and over again, as we will surely need to do.

  Mascha : drop

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Mascha said Nov 7, 2008, 11:01 PM:

 

Lauren, I'm so glad you were willing to reconstruct this post. It's one of my all-time favorites - and that says a lot considering the beauties that were published in this pod. This time I'm following the inner voice that tells me to copy and save it in my treasure files.

Thank you for the clarity you bring when I tend to get giddy from feeling too much all at once.

m

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Juliee said Nov 8, 2008, 12:49 AM:

 

Thanks for re-posting Lauren, I appreciate the time, energy and thought you put into it.

For anyone else who didn't know - if you delete a duplicate post that has replies attached (i.e. 'reply to post'), the replies are deleted too.

Still no reply from the tech team.

Julie

 

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

gitanjali [no longer around] said Nov 8, 2008, 5:36 PM:

 

Lauren youve hit the spot.  What has happened underlines that we all have a better nature.

He's been saying that throughout the campaign so somewhere along his life he came to that conclusion.  Maybe that made him into no dramaobama, or unflappable as people chracterise it.

And its something i too needed to focus on again, to put aside my cynicism and believe again.

G

  Lauren : mammal

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Lauren said Nov 7, 2008, 7:33 PM:

 

http://change.gov/

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Lauren said Nov 8, 2008, 7:57 PM:

 

YES WE DID

By Marianne Williamson

America has had a non-violent revolution.

As long as there are historians writing about the United States, this moment of fundamental re-alignment of our national purpose will be remembered, pored over and analyzed. It will be seen as one of the shining points along the evolutionary arc of the American story. Yet it will never submit itself to being summed up in a nice little package that reason alone can understand.

It's been noted before that Americans get excited about politics every forty years. Then, in the words of comedian Will Rogers, “We have to go sleep it off.”

We were certainly excited in the l960's. And this is 2008; exactly forty years since the most dramatic and violent year of the Sixties decade: the year when both Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. were literally killed before our eyes.

At that point, a generation of young people – looking much like the youthful army so out in full force today, only grungier – marched in the streets to repudiate an oppressive system and to try to stop an unjust war. And then bullets stopped us. The shots that killed the Kennedy's and King carried a loud, unspoken message for all of us: that we were to go home now, that we were to do whatever we wanted within the private sector, yet leave the public sector to whomever wanted it so much that they were willing to kill for it. And for all intents and purposes, we did as we were told.

According to ancient Asian philosophers, history moves not in a circle but in a spiral. Whether as an individual or as a nation, whatever lessons we were presented once and failed to learn will come back again but in a different form. For the generation of the Sixties and for our children, the lessons of that time – as well as its hopes and dreams and idealism – came back in 2008.

During our forty years in the desert, we learned many things. Then, we marched in the streets; this time, we marched to the polls. Then, we shouted, “Hell no, we won't go!” This time, we shouted, “Yes, we can.” Then, we were so angry that our anger consumed us. This time, we made a more compassionate humanity the means by which we sought our goal as well as the goal itself.

In the words of Gloria Steinem, “I feel like our future has come back.” And indeed it has. For in the words of Martin Luther King, Jr., “No lie can last forever.” What Bobby Kennedy tried to do, and was killed for trying; what Martin Luther King tried to do, and was killed for trying; what the students at Kent state were trying to protest, and were killed for daring to; Barack Obama and his army of millions of idealists with the audacity to hope have now succeeded at doing.

Praise God. Praise God.

And that praise to God didn't just go out last night, when Obama's election to the Presidency was finally achieved. That praise was part of what allowed the waters to part here in the first place. Millions of Americans have been deeply aware that this kind of historic and fundamentally positive effort has not gone well in the recent past, and the spiritual understanding of this generation of Americans – an understanding not yet fully formed forty years ago – created an invisible light around the Obama campaign. How many people over the last twenty-one months have posted, in their own way, angels to Obama's left and angels to his right, angels in front of him and angels behind him, angels above him and angels below him? I know I have, and so has everyone I know. Hopefully we will continue to do so.

The Obama phenomenon did not come out of nowhere. It emerged as much from our story as from his – as much from our yearning for meaning as from his ambition to be President; as much from our determination to achieve collective redemption as from his determination to achieve an individual accomplishment. And those who fail to recognize the invisible powers at work here – who see the external drama of politics yet fail to discern the profound forces that moved mountains by moving the American heart – well, they're just like Bob Dylan's Thin Man to whom he sang, “You don't know what's going on here, do you, Mr. Jones?”

Back then, Mr. Jones didn't know what was going on, but many of us did. We knew what was going on then and we knew what needed to happen; we simply weren't mature enough and we were too wounded then, as people and as a culture, to pull it off.

This time, we both knew and we did. We knew who we had to become and we knew what we had to do. The violent American revolution of 1776 entailed separating from another country. The non-violent revolution of 2008 – a non-violent revolution that did not quite fail, yet also did not quite succeed in the l960's – has entailed separating from who we used to be.

In the l960's, we wanted peace but we ourselves were angry. This time, after hearing Gandhi's call that we must be the change we want to see happen in the world, we came to our political efforts with an understanding that we must cast violence from our hearts and minds if we are to cast it from our world; that we must try to love our enemies as well as our friends; and that when a genius of world-historic proportions emerges among us, we cannot and we must not fail to do everything humanly and spiritually possible to support him. For his sake…and for ours.

Having gone to a higher place within ourselves, a higher level of leadership began to emerge among us. A higher level of leader now having emerged among us, he calls us to an even higher place within ourselves. And from this spiraling dance, these two forces together can and will, as Obama has told us, truly change the world. Having moved one mountain, we will now go about the work of removing the ones that remain.

With God's help, yes we can. Yes we did. And yes we will.

— by Marianne Williamson,
author of Healing the Soul of America Visit www.marianne.com

  Lauren : mammal

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

Lauren said Nov 13, 2008, 9:00 AM:

 

Is this the end of this converstion then?

I feel disappointed.

  Mascha : drop

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Mascha said Nov 13, 2008, 11:47 AM:

 

I hear you, Lauren. These days we're living through the aftermath of the biggest party ever, the first time a gazillion people celebrated together on a global scale. Now… we're sifting through the pieces of our reality that need to be attended to most urgently. For me, that means doing ordinary day-to-day chores, reviving what's left of my job… and trying to understand more deeply the economic crisis we're facing so that I can respond somewhat more skillfully than clucking like a chicken with its head being cut off, warning fellow fowl of their impending fate.

This should go on the Financial Meltdown thread, but  I enjoyed the read so much, I'll link to it here as well. Being quite aware of the massive corruption that characterizes the financial sector, I still found this first-hand insider account to be an eye-opener.

The End of Wall Street's Boom
- - Portfolio.com

by Michael Lewis, Nov 11, 2008

The era that defined Wall Street is finally, officially over. Michael Lewis, who chronicled its excess in Liar’s Poker, returns to his old haunt to figure out what went wrong.
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m

 

Re: U.S. Election Day 2008

gitanjali [no longer around] said Nov 13, 2008, 6:51 PM:

 

Hi Lauren

I dont want it to be the end of the conversation!

Perhaps we can start threads about Obama administration''s policies and strategies in the future?…?

Mascha

I've just been shifted to a taskforce on the global financial crisis so now I have to get down into the nitty gritty of how the hell this happened and wtf we are to do about it….

G