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  Nickeson : Easy

Hey, Y'all

Nickeson said Dec 16, 2008, 11:45 AM:

 

I just go a hall pass from Liz to come over here from Balder's IPS pod because I wanted in on that money conversation.

Steven

  Mascha : drop

Re: Hey, Y'all

Mascha said Dec 16, 2008, 12:43 PM:

 

Hi Steven,

I'm looking forward to you jumping into the money pool.

Splash!

Froggies,

m

  Nickeson : Easy

Re: Hey, Y'all

Nickeson said Dec 16, 2008, 2:59 PM:

 

m

just like Scrooge McDuck…

S

  maryw : ponderer

Re: Hey, Y'all

maryw said Dec 16, 2008, 3:12 PM:

 

LOL …. Scrooge McDuck ….

“bah …….. hum-cluck ……..”


;-)

  maxie : Zaadster

Re: Hey, Y'all

maxie said Dec 16, 2008, 3:12 PM:

 

Hey Nickerson!!

I see that yer older than me.  Thank God yer finally here.  Btw, I'll be checking that hallway pass of yers.  Liz sometimes forgets to stipulate that there are all sorts of behaviors around here for which there are merciless sanctions in place. 

Seriously, welcome a bunch,
Michael

  Liz : deLizious

Re: Hey, Y'all

Liz said Dec 16, 2008, 4:04 PM:

 

Steven is an old friend from the Integral Naked days. He's seen much worse from me than you ever have, Michael!

And still he's not afraid. So there you go. The man has cajones of steel.

Liz

  adastra : Curious Mutant

Re: Hey, Y'all

adastra said Dec 16, 2008, 4:15 PM:

 

Yo, Steve!  Good to see you here.  I remember long ago when I sort of, well, hated you – but then I met you in person and you turned out to be a really sweet guy.  It was one of my big lessons in the value of meeting people in person, back in Ye Integral Naked days of Olde.  Projections are much harder to sustain face to face, in my experience (though I try…God knows I try…)

Happy swimming in the money pools.

Drop by Sacramento sometime for tea and chat.  And bring Marianthi, I need more yoga and bodywork. :)

spiral out,
Arthur

  maxie : Zaadster

Re: Hey, Y'all

maxie said Dec 16, 2008, 4:20 PM:

 

oooohhhh!!!  I will behave then - god knows what this poor man must have been through if he has seen worse than me!!  (heh heh)

He's got me in the cojones dept. too as steel is harder than gold!!  Ha ha!!!

Finally, somebody around here who can take a little of the heat off of me.  Now if we can just soften up this bone-headed money-as-a-commodity idea he's defending … (just kidding steven, just kidding … )

cheers,
Michael


  Mascha : drop

Re: Hey, Y'all

Mascha said Dec 16, 2008, 4:12 PM:

 

Scrooge McDuck - is that Dagobert Duck in German-speaking countries? The billionaire fowl with the dollar signs in his eyes?

Welcome a thousandfold, S.!

('Scuse my ignorance, I'm not from around here. My Disney is still a lot weaker than most's.)

Excited to learn,

m

  Nickeson : Easy

Re: Hey, Y'all

Nickeson said Dec 16, 2008, 6:09 PM:

 

Hey,
This is just like old home week…except Marianthi is just down the hall laughing at my run-on sentences instead of 1,000 miles away.

So, m, this is from my blog, regarding Disney and Integral:

A Soap in One Prologue and 11 Lines

Prologue

To live sanely is to limit the awareness. It is to draw back from the incoherent cusp of each on-setting moment to organize snippets of conditioning into sheltering illusions and idealized blinkers. Enough of these patches can be cobbled together into a process that one can call their own perspective; a discreet, serialized narrative that is manipulated to function within others and around others—currents knotted on currents—and function smoothly as long as one can pretend it is non-fiction. To live sanely is to suspend disbelief in the Inner Disney, the master of make believe and author of The Cautionary Tales. Sanity depends on how closely one attends the Inner Disney’s Cautionary Tales.

Act I

One — “I’m afraid…”

Another — “Tell me.”

One — “…of the chaos out there…”

Another — “The chaos within?”

One — “We can only hope for Integral™”

Another — “Oh, but Darling, how can you sacrifice your authenticity, your heat, for such a…a…clunky…I don’t know…oh god…it’s a cloister!”

One — “I need to gain control again…” (sobs)

Another — “But there are others…other sheltering illusions.”

One — “What? Existential Phenomenology? It’s too sad. It’s too scary…too real…so close to the edge. We have to fall back! I’m frightened.”

Another — “I’m afraid…”

One — “Tell me.”

The Scene

Outside: Reality remains the same as it has always been—but that’s an incidental matter.
Inside the Tale: Their content is nothing, their style is all.

They are trembling through the night.

Fade

~~~~~~~

So, thanks for the welcome y'all. Beware the inner Disney…!

  Mascha : drop

Re: Hey, Y'all

Mascha said Dec 16, 2008, 6:25 PM:

 

A thrilling, yet cautionary piece, S.

Beware the inner Disney…! Indeed.
I shall remember this as long as I live.

m

P.S. Has Ken W. read it? I bet he'd be pleased.

  jikishin : composer

Re: Hey, Y'all

jikishin said Dec 16, 2008, 7:55 PM:

 

Steven! good to see you here.

When I drive by the Santa Fe Opera, thesedays, I think of you there, back when.

And good use of the Disney reference.

I think the whole Disney trip's got roots in Walt, as a youngster, whacking that sleeping owl in broad daylight. A case study in shadow: fear of chaos in&out. He went on to champion a mouse, of course, painting cutsie-nice-nice over a split off intentional violence. The bambi-fication of the bioshere wasn't too far behind.

Damn you, actually. I was almost comfortable in my animated version of things, crafting coherence out of not falling in between moments.

o well,

Kerry

  maxie : Zaadster

Re: Hey, Y'all

maxie said Dec 16, 2008, 8:06 PM:

 

Hey there Steve,

what Kerry's saying here about the mouse:  what do you think the chances are that Disney's insight, after the owl fracas, (owls being harbingers of change and all) was that Charlie Chaplin's uber demi-man was commodifiable as cartoon Mickey?  Or should this be over there on the $ thread?

best,
Michael