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Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://drs1958.gaia.com — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:57:51 GMT

"The gangsta thing can be a very serious safety concern in a school social setting."

My wife and I took our kids to a YMCA costume party and they had a contest. One kid dressed up as a pimp, had "pimp" written on his home boy hat and when asked "what are you" by the DJ, he said of course "a pimp". Maybe he should hook up with some of these girls dressed up in their sex pot costumes and then all they would need is a "John" to turn a trick and a treat Pornographers are just salivating waiting for these girls to turn 18.

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://timelody.gaia.com — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:17:26 GMT

And now you understand the importance of Integral Parenting, Family and Community.

Bruce the girls have had a costume parade every year of school up until this year -no parade anymore. No explanation was officially given but, in addition to probably a few other factors (like kids from families with less money having no costume and so on), it's not hard to imagine some of the other reasons.

The gangsta thing can be a very serious safety concern in a school social setting.

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://monk.gaia.com — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:27:24 GMT

I'm kind of coming late to this thread, so maybe this was discussed earlier, but this (what Bruce said about the boy dressing up as a pimp) would seem to indicate that the effects of postmodern flatland could be a lot more far reaching and long lasting than I had previously thought. I had previously thought that kids of postmodern parents, some of them anyway, would simply be able to grow up and eventually find Ken Wilber and grow beyond their parents' worldview. And likely they would be even more senstitive, in the right way, than their parents since their parents were so sensitive. But lately, on this thread and others, I'm coming to see all the negative effects this postmodern upbringing could be having and how it might last into adulthood in some novel and perhaps regressive ways.

Obviously, MTV is too Green (relativistic, flatland) to exclude videos from Red (egocentric) and even criminal-sounding rappers and the like. So what effect is this going to have? Some have argued that playing with GI Joe and army men, playing war, playing violent video games etc. will create more violent people. I don't dispute that, but don't really know for sure. But if it is true, then all these sexy outfits, videos about pimps, teenage orgies, would seem to have some profound influences on the relationship between the sexes. This may seem obvious, but it just struck me in a way that it hadn't before when I heard about the boy dressing up as a pimp--Why would a kid want to dress up as a pimp? Why do kids choose one costume over the next? Does he understand what a pimp is? Aren't these MTV rappers role models for these kids? Maybe not? Or perhaps is it allowing kids to play things out in a harmless way? Most boys I know didn't tend to be particularly violent physically, but maybe the effect of violent video games and such just tended to manifest on subtler levels for most of them.

Just musing,

David

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://brucealderman.gaia.com — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:00:30 GMT

My son attended a Halloween parade the other day at his school. He was describing all of the costumes of his classmate to me -- Isaiah was a Power Ranger, Jamahd was a monster, Morgan was a mermaid, Spencer was Tigger the Tiger, Yutin was Batman, and this other boy was "all dressed up." My wife then rolled her eyes and told me the 6-year-old kid had come dressed as a pimp.

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://ADLIAC.gaia.com — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:41:08 GMT

I knew I should have posted this this morning when it was relevant, but I was in a hurry. Now it's so far behind only thread-readers will see the connection.

I shall persist anyway: back up to where Liz talks about girls needing to reach 100 pounds before they begin menstruating, and talks about obesity in relationship to early menopause.

It is a startling but little-known fact that fat cells anywhere in the body of male or female are as good or better producers of estrogen than ovarian cells. (Source, Dr. John R. Lee, M.D. who was IMHO the world's expert on reproductive hormones. I think it's http://www.johnleemd.com ) Site-search or Google search the terms estrogen dominance men or estrogen dominance women. [Suddenly I question whether this is actually true for fat cells at childhood age, but for the moment I believe that is true.]

Therefore, [if that is true] childhood obesity will retard and warp puberty in boys and hasten and warp it in girls.

And obesity becomes a vicious cycle in older men, leading to prostate cancer and all manner of epidemic ED and urinary problems. I am female but I have become a mini-expert on this subject. Dr. Lee pointed out that an obese older man probably has way more estrogen in his body than his post-menopausal wife does. I guess it's time to post my piece on this topic in my blog. Maybe I can do that in time to get a link here. If not, will post below.

Anyhoo, this is not relevant to any other post of today, just a supplemental factoid, not to diminish any assertions of the effect or relevance of cultural influences at all.

Blessings to all, OM Bastet

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://teeniedakini.gaia.com — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:10:12 GMT

Tim, And how I do agree!

Hugs Lauren.... too precious!

~Stacy

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://timelody.gaia.com — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:53:51 GMT

Ah, Lauren . . . that is just the best thing I've seen in a long time.

If dressing little girls up like nuns for Halloween makes them turn out anything like you, then as far as I'm concerned we'll be all set . . .

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://plums.gaia.com — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:36:18 GMT

Oh, but I do have something to say, I just remembered.

A lot of you have seen this before, but I will re-publish it and publically thank my mother for her good creative sense, her good common sense, and for making me the sexiest halloween costume ever..

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://onthetrail.gaia.com — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:12:35 GMT

Ozma:

"Is there any end to this madness?"

There is only one place (and one time) to end it...

Frans

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://plums.gaia.com — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:10:01 GMT

I haven't anything original to say, at least not at this moment -- and you've all been brilliant and bright-- I'm just dropping in to say thanks. This is a good thread.

In gratitude,
Lauren

Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://transcend-include.gaia.com — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:53:12 GMT

True, going off-topic is generally poor netiquette, but but it's often tolerated here for various reasons, including humor and the occasional righteous rant.

In general, we leave the on-topic enforcement up to the thread starter, who in this case is Gina, and she's done so already. Also, please don't change thread titles, as this is confusing to people keeping track of particular threads.

And now, on to a fresh start, eh? How about introducing yourself on our introductions board?

Liz

Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://ozma.gaia.com — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:36:34 GMT

Well, can I just say...I know this wasn't intended as such, but when conversations have to devolve into how amazing the average vagina looks...it once again proves this point that we are wayyyy too focused on the physical appearance of women.

Who the heck cares what a vagina looks like? Why do we need to wax poetic about its mystical goddess power and some such nonsense? Pardon me for saying this, but I've rarely met a man who was obsessed with LOOKING at a vagina as opposed to just seeing it as a point of insertion.

If a woman's vagina is ugly THAT'S OK. Because you know what? A woman has more worth than just her pretty face or her pretty petals. Geez oh pete. And then we wonder why our kids are obsessed with their sexuality before they even HAVE sexuality.

Next thing you know, people will start getting surgeries done to make their anuses prettier. Is there any end to this madness?

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://FireAngel.gaia.com — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 23:01:56 GMT

Congratulations folks,
We made it nearly 3 days before it digressed to who has the prettier penus or more voluptuous vulva.

I would say we are nearly done with this subject as suggested by the header.
Any future postings should probably be thought through a bit more before sending and/or started by a new thread. This is fast digressing into territory outside the topic.

Thanks for playing, this has been great fun!

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://timelody.gaia.com — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:12:23 GMT

Pelle: Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking . . .

Great penises think alike! Er, . . .um, . . I mean . . . . uh . . .

[This user in no longer available.]

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://pelle.gaia.com — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:06:51 GMT

Tim:
Pelle makes a really good point indirectly: HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE AQUAINTED WITH YOUR VAGINA ANYWAY?

Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking, thanks for making it explicit.

Regarding the circumcision of boys, let me put it in diplomatic terms:

It is a hideous form of abuse and has no place whatsoever in a civilized society, period.

Pelle

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://onthetrail.gaia.com — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:55:02 GMT

About the voluntary C-section, isn't a large part of that the fear of pain and discomfort that gets associated with childbirth and our feel-good society where pain is unecessary? That's a view that the medical profession certainly enhances... and most doctors don't have time to spend on childbirth if a C-section is so much faster.

Then again, in our case we thank the medical profession for the C-section as both Elise and Tara would have died without...

Frans

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://onthetrail.gaia.com — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:48:50 GMT

Liz, Tim, Arthur, Bruce, Pelle, Daniel , Stephanie (and anyone I forgot),

The ones I've seen are all quite easthetically pleasing, yes indeed - diverse but beautiful. That's the last thing women have to be concerned about - a naked woman is about a thousand times more attractive than a naked man (myself included (he said modestly)).

As for my daughter dating (which won't happen for a while) - I'll just introduce any would-be suitors to my dogs, tell them said dogs can find them anywhere, anytime and will do some serious damage to their masculinity should anything untowards happen. That should do it.

Frans

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://aqalicious.gaia.com — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:36:59 GMT

adastra(?!?): Arthur can attest to the fact that I actually laughed out loud when I read that.

Liz

~~~~~

Um, that was my user you posted under, sweetie. But then again...

We are Tamgoddess. :P

arthur

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://timelody.gaia.com — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:16:21 GMT

Step one: Be there for them and give them some attention!

Which is exactly what does not happen when we take the Hakuna Matata appraoch to parenting. Which is what our culture does indeed encourage us to do.

Re: Halloween Costumes Too Sexy?

http://drs1958.gaia.com — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:15:42 GMT

Here's a great book that will help daughters stay occupied in a healthy fashion.

Warning: Some projects may require parental involvement and interaction ; - )

http://www.amazon.com/Daring-Book-Girls-Andrea-Buchanan/dp/0061472573/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-3484326-9361417?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193951598&sr=8-1