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Re: Buddhism and Psychotherapy

http://serengeti.gaia.com — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:25:32 GMT

From the article, a Zen teaching circa mid-80s:

"What you need to do, Lou, is put aside all human feelings." Say it isn't so.

Re: Buddhism and Psychotherapy

http://serengeti.gaia.com — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:43:46 GMT

Hi Tely, I asserted on another thread that what most spiritual teachers IMO do is take an experience which caps a long-time process and turn it into a statement of the process which led to that experience. That just cannot be right, logically, experientially or otherwise! The so-called no-self experience IMO requires you be a human and not a tree, and as a human that you be in some regard post-Neanderthal, and in being post-N that you have paid attention in certain directions and etc etc, including that you have gone through the so-called self stage. Why else call it no-self? Negating needs something to negate.

Thus in confusing the process that leads to so-called no-self with no-self as the result of that process, teachers are putting cart before the horse. Doing so must retard if not derail certain peoples' natural necessary processes.

Re: Buddhism and Psychotherapy

http://rousetheoneness.gaia.com — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:04:12 GMT

Thanks Tely

This is brilliant and deeply moving.

James

Buddhism and Psychotherapy

http://tely.gaia.com — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:47:55 GMT

This article , "How A Zen Master Found the Light (Again) on the Analyst's Couch," was in the New York Times a couple days ago. It addresses the issue of the belief in the concept of non-self as potentially harmful for someone who never had a healthy sense of self and the reintegration of self through the investigation of emotions. I thought it was a nice example of a (piece of an) ILP -- integrating practices.