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Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://mqs.gaia.com — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:39:06 GMT

OM,

My studies in crystallography are rudimentary at best, but I have been on this phase-transformation/domaine change business from several angles for a long time.

Its kind of how a 'crystal' in a radio (the old ones) works. The crystal is 'charged' or pressured electrically and the micro-crystals inside realign themselves under a more-or-less pressure regime depending upon the electrical load.

The frequency that the crystal is capable of recieving is dependent upon micro changes in the alignment of the individual cystals that make up the wafer. (I think)

Now this steps out there aways past that, but I suspect that grammar, or the tense of verbs in particular, causes "tension" in the field of thinking. More particularly, the words we employ in our 'thinking' apply more-or-less 'pressure' or 'tension' on the (crystalline) lens of perception and thereby condition the intention/message that we exude (for lack of a better word) as we entertain whatever falls under the gaze (focused by the ego, I think).

For instance, if I am thinking "I won't" as opposed to "I wouldn't" the pressure is more intense as present tense grammar is more in-tense than the future tense of "I wouldn't." (I think)

Another example of how powerful this can be is when we say "I am grateful." That is powerful and present, but no where near as powerful as saying "Being Gratitude . . ." which is to claim, in the present, the capability and not just the affect.

love,
maxie

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://Mascha.gaia.com — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:57:08 GMT

Yeah, you got it, Doug. Being put into that space by your words inspired me to make that post.

Amazing connectivity can happen via exchanges in cyberspace like this. I'm fascinated by essence-to-essence communications independent of locality or previous knowledge of the other person. I've been subjectively studying this phenomenon for a while, and I believe (tentatively) that you can enhance latent remote-viewing abilities by posting in forums such as this.

Multitudinous sparklies to Annie and yourself,

m

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://DouglasRWallack.gaia.com — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:19:55 GMT

A Sparkling...Yes!

I can feel the same 'thing' HERE ...

Thanks Dear,
Dog...oops, Doug

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://Mascha.gaia.com — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:50:36 GMT

You said it very well, Doug. It feels like listening at that ‘edge’ between Relative & Absolute where emergence arises…

Puts me right into that space. I'm smiling at you from that edge in-between now... Can you feel it?

m

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://DouglasRWallack.gaia.com — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:00:26 GMT

Nice comments...
I especially liked, "appreciate presence as deep listening, of being open beyond one’s preconceptions and historical ways of making sense." It feels like listening at that 'edge' between Relative & Absolute where emergence arises...difficult to put in words.
Best Ya'all,
Dougie

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://ADLIAC.gaia.com — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:52:50 GMT

Senge is cool, I am appreciating him more and more.

I don't experience it as "letting come." I experience it as "allowing and cooperating with the emergence, of which I am one element."

What you described, Michael, is the same as crystal formations, yes??

Blessings, OM

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://mqs.gaia.com — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:23:27 GMT

"letting come," hmmmm . . . oh-kay-eee . . .

not recreating the past, that would be good.

Allowance, via studious non-interference, causes stress to build in the field. At a certain point, the essentially geometric elements in the field, will spontaneously, almost instantaneously rearrange themselves into a new order. Wahoo!

Thanks for this Doug

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://DouglasRWallack.gaia.com — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:37:06 GMT

Here is a pertinent quote I received today...
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"We’ve come to believe that the core capacity needed for
accessing the field of the future is presence. We first thought of presence as
being fully conscious and aware in the present moment. Then we began to
appreciate presence as deep listening, of being open beyond one’s preconceptions
and historical ways of making sense. We came to see the importance of letting
go of old identities and the need to control and, as Salk said, making choices
to serve the evolution of life. Ultimately, we came to see all these aspects of
presence as leading to a state of “letting come,”of consciously participating
in a larger field for change. When this happens, the field shifts, and the
forces shaping a situation can shift from re-creating the past to manifesting
or realizing an emerging future."
Peter Senge from: Presence: Human Purpose and the Field of the Future
Page: 11-12

Contributed by: ~C4Chaos

*******************************************************************************************

Cheers, Doug

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://aqalicious.gaia.com — Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:59:58 GMT

I've just re-read the Road Rules, as per my advice elsewhere; it's still great stuff. :) I personally find this part particularly relevant:

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Discern your “emotional buttons,” or the things to which you hyper‑react. In many cases, whether or not your judgment is true, a hyper‑emotional recoil often means that shadow elements have been triggered, or as everyday parlance has it, somebody “pushed your buttons.” Simply notice this happening; try to make subject object (which, as we saw, is the fundamental rule of development). In other words, try to make the reactive self (the lower self) an object of awareness. Just see and feel your emotional reaction; you don't have to do anything else. It's that simple. Don't worry whether something spectacular happens or not; that very act has already caused a mico‑transformation and dis‑identification, and repetitions of that simple act will have a profoundly cumulative effect. Of course, you can do more work on it if you choose, but most essentially, they are ways to just further that process. from Ken Wilber's Road Rules for Transformation

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Sometimes I experience it as feeling the space around the reactivity (while still feeling the reactivity). Participating in integral forums has been helpful for my own growth and transformation, though I still have a long way to go, I reckon. :)

spiral out,
arthur

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://aqalicious.gaia.com — Sat, 07 Apr 2007 18:03:19 GMT

You're welcome, Rannah, and thanks for the feedback. :) Overall, response to having rules and moderation has been very positive.

In addition to what you are saying, I would add that when strongly taking exception to something, addressing the content of what someone is saying, or the way they are expressing it - and not attacking the person themselves - is a good way to proceed.

I also find that taking into account how your words are likely to be percieved by a third party who may be reading them is worthwhile. What I mean is, I might say something to a close friend that could be misperceived by a third party as an attack, which can affect the wespace negatively. (Example: Liz and I will sometimes say to the other, with great affection: "Shut the fuck up!" - usually in response to the other saying something in a joking manner - but put those words down on a screen without the smiles, laughter, and warm body language, and it can look a lot different.)

In cyberspace it's easy to forget just how much of the normal type of human interaction is missing (body language, voice tone, eye contact etc.), and consequently how easy it is for things to spin out of control. On the other hand, if you take that factor into account, approach the space mindfully, and work with your own emotional reactions, this kind of forum can be a great place to do shadow work. I know I've learned a lot in that way, and continue to do so.

I see a lot of mutual respect and affection in this pod, and it's a beautiful thing to behold. A lot of people are holding the space and staying engaged in the process. Doubleplusgood.

spiral out,
arthur

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://rannahspirit.gaia.com — Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:21:33 GMT

Wow. Road rules/ground rules/objective feedback. I support happiness and growth in all of its forms every chance I get. When I feel compelled to offer feedback that might be considered "negative" or "constructive" I work within the "objective feedback" framework. Be specific and non-judgmental! If your words might hurt someone, rethink it. Ah, yes, do not forget intent. To always intend to offer something that might assist the other, and to be kind, gentle, and caring, in that offer, can be of great value. If you are offering the feedback simply to express yourself, or to be heard, and do not care for the growth or improvement of another, then maybe, a shrink would be a better avenue of expression. If all of that is taken into consideration, and someone still gets hurt, well, then maybe it had nothing to do with your words or your intent. Thank you for having site rules.

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://mqs.gaia.com — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:07:58 GMT

I like the guidelines, which is to say that they resonate harmoniously with the vibrations I feel from the "highest" part of me of which I am aware.

There is room to move and the sign over the door says "Do The Best You Can." I'm in.

best,
Michael

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://aqalicious.gaia.com — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:50:24 GMT

I agree with allah that - the trunk is also important...not to mention the forest of which it is a part...

arthur

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://pantergnosis.gaia.com — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:29:02 GMT

The leaves on the top may be best, but if you are not true to your roots and stem, you will only be dizzy on the top - at least after a while. Or feel like a fake. Or be stupid. Then it may be wise to return down, to check the roots and stem again. Be friend with them, and return up, but with a different attutide than the first time.

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://aqalicious.gaia.com — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:32:18 GMT

Pantergnosis: "These guidelines seems like good guidelines, espescially as they do not appear as strict rules. We are all stumbling, and trying to find our way, and communicating good and bad. Some of what I like with Wilber is that he is so clear about the fact that you can both be open for higher states and stages, but you can still be fucked up in a lot of your personality. That's even the most common thing. Then we are all on our way, and there could also be more room for real compassion for the human struggle, in oneself and others."

Hallelujah, brother. :) Yes, this is something I've been thinking about a lot - having compassion for the human struggle. I feel like such an embryo (with a long long way to go) when it comes to such matters.

We're all bozos on the bus,
so we might as well sit back
and enjoy the ride.
-Wavy Gravy
Even better if the bus is, like, going somewhere. Especially somewhere cool. And if we can help it along, that's best of all. :)

spiral out,
arthur

p.s. the leaves on the tops of the trees are always yummiest, don't you think? I look forward to chewing the integral cud with you.

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://pantergnosis.gaia.com — Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:20:38 GMT

For me it's fine that Ken also may not always appear totally coherent. I prefer people that dear to show that they are human. I don't know how helpful it would have been with a teacher just sitting on a pillow speaking from and about the awakend state. These guidelines seems like good guidelines, espescially as they do not appear as strict rules. We are all stumbling, and trying to find our way, and communicating good and bad. Some of what I like with Wilber is that he is so clear about the fact that you can both be open for higher states and stages, but you can still be fucked up in a lot of your personality. That's even the most common thing. Then we are all on our way, and there could also be more room for real compassion for the human struggle, in oneself and others. Even if we are drilled to compete and compare. Am I good enough? Are they more evolved? Or am I maybe better..... Shit. It's very helpful to see that shadow work is part of spiritual work etc. But it is also fair enough to try to have a direction - both in ones own process, and in a forum like this.

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

Thu, 01 Feb 2007 23:07:47 GMT

I want to comment on this part of KW's road rules:
"Don't be afraid to make judgments-we want your opinions and judgments very much!-just try to have the next judgment that comes out of your mouth be a discernment from your Higher Self."

This is what I truly call a double bind...You know, one of those injunctions that drives ones mad (cf. Palo alto school)

I totally disagree with that. Judgement is ok, as long as it comes from a non judgmental state: your higher self!!!!!! Terrible mistake.

A case of stage/state mixing in Wilber's road rules?

Again and again, I much prefere this rule:

Say what you think: your opinions are needed. But if you see that it has hurted someone or created some problems, find the ressources in your higher self (or lower) to resolve the problem.

Who can truly say that he'stalking from his higher self? And what will we do with the people who'll say they do? Argh...

This "episode" on the "Andrew.."thread is an example of it. The result is that everybody learned something... the hard way... but it happened. That's good and fruitfull. I like that.

Patrick

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://mymind.gaia.com — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:04:52 GMT

Shining forth from my soul within,I agree! Jumps in whole heartedly. Lets roll!

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

Sun, 19 Nov 2006 21:30:06 GMT

arthur ----

thanks for reminding me of the original topic.... i do tend to wander, as one thing always leads to another, to another...!

"Self" and "Nondual" and any other word ... is just that, a word; and we can define it any way we like. so, if the consensus definition here is that "Self" is something that can be transformed -- then it is! : ^ )

thanks for suggesting a new thread on "Awakening and Happiness". i will consider starting one.... i've been exploring that subject, from various angles, at beyond.johreiki.net ... and will continue exploring it, more exclusively, at source-energy.net also....

be well and HAPPY! ------
_||_
db

Re: Road Rules for Transformation: Guidelines for Integral Instit

http://aqalicious.gaia.com — Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:58:07 GMT

These are very interesting questions, but we're branching far away from the topic of "Road Rules for Transformation" I think...

Possible new threads that could be spawned:

- Is Nondual the Same as the Self?
- Awakening and Happiness

The first would fit nicely into Chapel Perspicacious I think - I'd love to hear what Balder might say on that topic...Awakening and Happiness...I'll ponder that topic and maybe start a thread later in another board here...feel free to initiate that yourself if you like.

Thanks for bringing up these interesting topics. :)

arthur