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  Digital Ghost : HERE

Integral Condoms

Digital Ghost said Jun 24, 2007, 10:16 AM:

 

Aloha everybody.
So here's my early morning thoughts, I would really appreciate some input…  I work in Education and Prevention for an HIV Orginization.  Recently I did a number of surveys with the MSM community (Men who have sex with men - gay identified or not) since in my community they are still the largest growing population who are becoming infected (second place were women who believed they were in a monogamous relationship).The survey was a qualitative one regarding their perception of condom use.
Everyone of the participants had a working knowledge that condoms and/or lube use lowered the risk of transmitting the HIV virus, but the information alone was not enough to merit wearing a condom (reasons for not using a condom included: decresed sensitivity, depending on the perception of the person one was having sex with, condoms aren't fun, I'm in love, drug or alcohol use, the heat of the moment, knowledge of the other person's HIV status, long term versus onenight stand interactions etc)
When I took over the position of Director in March I realized that the community perceived us as the “Condom Police” - that brought up all my “Blue” issues - I don't want to be a condom evangelist.
So I am thinking in terms of colors, levels, spirals and would love some input from those not as attached to this as I am (any AQAL input is valued too, but my mind has been thinking in terms of colors).  It would be great to increase effectiveness and have an inpact on the spread of this virus in my community.
I recently recieved a tiny grant and was able to purchase some “fun” items (Like Glow-in-the-dark condoms and packets of warming lube).  I have found that these flashy - see my dick stand out in the dark - items, appeals to narcissistic Reds; they were grabbing them up.
Blues tend to revolve around  abstinence or the “shoulds” of wearing condoms - I think we have that one down good.
The people i intereact with are a large mix of various stages and colors.
Any thoughts on communicating with Greens, Oranges, Yellows, Purples (who believe they are protected by the Universe or some all natural cure) Blues, Reds, etc ?
Thanks

  Frans : Gone to the Dogs

Re: Integral Condoms

Frans said Jun 24, 2007, 5:58 PM:

 

Dear John (I know, I know),

My immediate thought: you’re fighting an unwinnable battle - as all battles ultimately are.

The only thing that’s going to really help the issue is people developing to yellow or higher - if you need to convince them, they’re not yellow or higher. It’s easy enough to say that you can appeal to the red’s control issues, the blue’s sense of a higher power, the orange’s need for influence and the green’s sense of awareness, but at these levels the sexual urge will overtake all such considerations imho…

Let me get back to this later, after I have actually thought about it a bit - as said; this is straight from my gut…

Frans

  Digital Ghost : HERE

Re: Integral Condoms

Digital Ghost said Jun 24, 2007, 6:08 PM:

 

Thanks Frans
- I'm kinda thinking in terms of Barrett Brown's work with ecology/sustainability and the the colors (the videos are on Integral Naked).  Speaking orange to an orange, blue to a blue - yet appealing to their highest development within their color

  Frans : Gone to the Dogs

Re: Integral Condoms

Frans said Jun 24, 2007, 6:49 PM:

 

I’m with you - just doubt that that will hold when basic instincts take over. for that, I believe, you need to have a higher level of development, yellow and higher.

Frans