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Nothing is off-topic in this thread - this is the place for daily chit-chat and all that social bonding babble that's so important to big-brained primates.  Haver away, holons!

arthur

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I'm about to get on  a plan and fly to SF where I'll be picked up bya  beautiful woman (alifelong fantasy come true - picked up by a beautiful babe in San Francisco) - gonna see my honey for a whole week…and - icing on the cake - get to see Maryw and *hopefully* Balder as well - wheeee!

spiral out,
arthur

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p.s. this keyboard is crapadelic, sheesh.  and I'm flying on a plane, not a plan. Plan!?  We don't need no stinking *plans* - we're second tier!  Flex & flow, baby!

arthur

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It's your good karma, Arthur. Bless you. You deserve it.

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Thanks, Ramsses

I'm sitting here at Liz's computer typing this - how cool is that?  Meanwhile she's next to me at another computer; we're touching base with cyberspace.  Her family doesn't appear to loathe me (or vice versa) so that's good, lol.  Although, one of her cats is very standoffish - that has got to change. It's a gorgeous day outside, quite a contrast to the rain and grey I left behind, wheeeeeeee!

spiral out,
arthur

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Yep, my baby’s here and my kids have actually been not just civilized, but friendly. Life is good.

But he’s really reaching if he thinks my cat will ever like him. She’s a one-woman cat.

Liz

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Well, she needs to add a man to her short list of admired personages then.  Princess must love me before the week is out.

arthur

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There has been much petting going on around here - Princess officially loves me.  What can I say?  Cat's dig me. :P

spirals,
arthur

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Uhhhmmmmm………………..

Maybe I'm the last to pick up on this, but Arthur .. do you and Liz have a thing for each other?

HMMMMmmm……

Not that its any of my bizzness, but you did make it pretty public.

Adrastra and Lizzy sitting in a tree,

K - i - s- s- i - n -g

I'm so juvenile!

BEnji

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Hi Punky

Yes, Liz and I have been a couple since last June, and close friends for a couple of years before that.  I'll not bore you and everyone with the details.  :P

arthur

p.s. There are freakin' palm trees all over the place in Sacramento, and they're HUGE - not like the shrimpy bonsai palm trees in Vancouver! 

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You're gone, Arthur. Once you fall in love with the palm trees, that's it. Happened to me too.

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He was gone long before he ever saw the palm trees, baby.

Liz

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Fun day!

I'm in Sacramento, that sun-flooded palm tree heaven (in the eyes of Canadians, at least, eh?) hanging out with Liz and Arthur. We've spent the day enjoying Liz's home-made sausage, eggs, Canadian organic dark chocolate, American organic dark chocolate, crisp autumn strolling by a pond, bright park murals of goddesses and butterflies and rainbow spirals, Earl Grey tea, multicolored frogs, and In-N-Out burgers.

Sitting in the computer lab at Liz's place of work at the moment, right across from Arthur, who is currently posting pictures on the “evocative images” thread ….

Happy,
Mary

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In-N-Out Burgers? OMG, I love those things. I try not to eat meat that often, but if I am out and about….then I’m at In-N-Out……double double animal style please. :D

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I have been an absolute carnivore this week … lots of cow, fowl and pig … a bit of shellfish.

Starting to get a gutteral animal growl vibe …

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Double, no cheese, protein style, with fries and a diet coke.

Liz

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Oh good, now I don't feel so bad about my carnivorous four day TURKEY binge!

The sandwiches, the sandwhiches! … . .

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When Mary said: “Earl Grey tea and multicolored frogs,” that’s when I perked up.
You talkin’ to me? I sit here late at night, looking at the city lights, Hollywood and its hillsides twinkling below, sipping decaf Earl Grey… and, of course, I’m a frog, though multicolored only in the sense that my cardigan is pink and my jeans are, you guessed it, blue. Otherwise it’s November, the most deathly dreary doom-spelling month of the year, except for December, January etc.. Oh, let that Christmas muzak and the green-red-and-gold advertising everywhere pass from existence suddenly! never to return.

Om

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I just want to say how jealous I am of you all being on the same Continent, and more and more frequently in the same room…………..sniff!
I understand you are all meeting up with Balder today, have a wonderful time. Really !!!!

Liz

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Well, tiki-Liz, I am happy you are in Scotland….because I am starting to feel like coming over to visit….listen to that gorgeous way of speaking, and hang out in your new tub! I just watched Ladies of Lavender last night with my mom……the UK is pretty special too….I am comin’ over soon. Jane

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Are you really? Oh fabulous. You have to come and stay, I'll surround my new tub with candles for you.

I don't know ladies of Lavender, but i'll take you to Jenner's in Edinburgh where you can meet the scone ladies.

If you are serious, let me know your plans when you have them, we have to meet up!

Liz

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Hey all

The best tea is organic Earl Grey green & black tea - yum!

Living on the West Coast of N.A. is fabulous, I don't know why anyone would want to be anywhere else…particularly the Pacific North-West…and of course it is a seething hotbed of integral socializing these days… :)

I'm so psyched that I'm going to meet Balder today, wheeeeeeee!  And hanging out with Tam-Liz and Maryw, it doesn't get much better than that. 

Or does it?  Have I mentioned there are PALM TREES everywhere here?  Weird.  It's the main thing that really convinces me I'm in California, instead of, say, Washington or Oregon.  I think being in the States is affecting my brain, though - last night I had a dream in which I was seriously irritated at the Democrats.  Pretty funny.  :p

spiralifically yours,
arthur

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I beg your pardon, sir, but the best tea is Tazo Zen Green Tea.  Yummy! ;-)

Keith

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….and since you're so fond of the Pacific NW, I guess I'll have to go.  Actually, in a few hours I'll be getting on a plane to Seattle for a conference.  Lame reason to go, but hey, I'll be there sending out the vibes;-)

Keith

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Liz: He's right - Tazo Zen tea is really yummy!
Arthur: Yes, but is it the best tea?  I don't think so!
Liz: It depends on your mood…
Arthur: Hmm…you have a point. 

I'm sitting here waiting for maryw to show up so we can go get some COFFEE.  Which I use for purely medicinal purposes.  Me sleepy.  Need caffeine, and plenty of it.  STAT!  

arthur

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“There's more than corn in indiana”

Yeah, yeah, yeah, …. all you Blue State, pot smoking uber liberal hippies

Don't you guys ever get sick of how cool you are?  I mean what's so righteous about Palm Trees.  And big deal you've got those red woods. 

I'm not even jealous of the super mystical vortex that exists at the mystery spot

I for one am more than happy to be a post metaphysical, integral paradigmatic, tetra evolving Catholic, in a pat robertson watching, end times obsessing, blue meme god fearing protestant hell. (no offense 2nd tier protestants).

I for one live me life as a refugee from a 2nd Tier culture that has yet to come into full realization. 

I live in the mission fields of the 1st Tier with no good evengelical tools to aid in the conversion. 

Later Homies!

Benji,
AQAL Assassin
PS (Please note the implied sarcasm in this post, its really posted in fun)

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Benji, Sacramento can't really be construed as “cool” by any other standard than temperature at the moment, but it is an up-and-coming kinda place. I like to think I discovered it before it was even marginally hip.

Anyway, you can comfort yourself with the knowledge that I'm unable to live with less uber-coolness than where I am. I'm simply weak, in other words. Only the truly integrally strong can live in first-tier hell and transcend it. I'm still on the mountaintop, so to speak, where it's easy to practice loving-kindness. And you are in the trenches, doing the really difficult spiritual work.

Liz

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It may be a matter of perspectives ……. but anyway …… the tea that clearly transcends and includes them all is single estate biodynamic first flush FGBOP (Finest Golden Broken Orange Pekoe) Darjeeling.

That small matter having been settled, I have to say I'm so green with envy at you all meeting up that this beautiful green county of Devon I live in is looking slightly momnocrome in comparison. Well it would if it wasn't dark, rest assured.

Jane, Tiki (may I be so familiar as to call you Tiki?) your little interchange made me think: I wanna come!! It's only several hundred miles to Edinburgh, but  who knows? Waddya say, possible?

And thanks, Jane, for your sweet posting on the Childbirth Stories thread.

Om shanti shanti shanti

Lol

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Lol,

I would be grateful if you would go up and join Tiki's integral get-together. We've been frustrated at her lack of presence over here, and it would relieve me of just a bit of–what, angst?–that she's over there all by herself.

You have a very sort of English imperialist/traditionalist view of good tea, but you can't help that; it's part of your heritage.

Liz

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Hey, it’s Tam-Liz’s birthday, guys. I wanted to post a picture of a fantastically intricate crop circle in England (created by aliens, no doubt) for her to contemplate, but couldn’t do it here or on Heartmind, where Tiki-Liz created a birthday thread.

Hugs & kisses

Mascha

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I blame it on being bottle-fed that thar blue tea. That and the inbreeding.

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Hey lol, inbreeding? Are you in Norfolk? Bootifool……….

I have been saying every time folk get together over there that we should do something over here.
Call me Tiki by all means, when I met Liz and mary and co in Boulder, they all called me tiki, it was really odd at first, because of course I'm only that cyber land where people don't talk. I'm quite used to it now though.

The London Integral Circle have fairly regular meetups and gary hawke facilitates a practice group, but I haven't been able to get there so far. It might be near you (if you are not in Norfolk but in breeding somewhere else).

If Jane gets here, we'll organise something for people to come and meet if they want to.
The invitation to use my new tub was specifically for Jane, who has provided counselling through the installation of the new bathroom. I took a week's holidays to have this done.
It is Thursday, the old bathroom is ripped out, I have an empty room where it used to be.
The tiler has now apparently had to go pick up a sick wife from work (!!!!!!!!) so won't be here till the afternoon. No one showed on Monday at all. I have the new fittings in my garage, but they brought the wrong bath, the new one is supposed to come today.

I know it's not going to be finished tomorrow, but if I lose the plot and chuck the guys out (assuming they ever come back) then I'll be in an even bigger mess.

Oh and the best tea is Yogi Chai, it's the only green tea that doesn't taste of grass!

Liz

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Hi Tiki

Mu       ………       ………      ………      ( tea, of course)

Thanks for the info about the London scene –  do you have a contact number for Gary Hawke?

I actually live in Devon, but was born in North Yorkshire and raised in Co. Durham. Way ay. My mum lives just a  few miles from Tony Blair's constituency. Eeeek!

I love the idea of a get together if / when Jane comes over if it's do-able from my side. I don't know if it's a phenomenon already well documented by social psychologists, but I feel so drawn to and warm towards the people I've met and interracted with on this forum, in this community. Is it a cult? (only joking, honest!!)

If I do end up driving to Scotland I could always leave the kitchen sink behind and bring a  bath tub instead!

Lol

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I've sent you mail, contacts coming when I look them out.

The wrong bath has been taken away.
The right bath hasn't arrived, apparently the shop have had to re order.

The tiler hasn't turned up, but the tiles have arrived.

I am told I will be getting 2 tilers when they do show.

That would be within the hour-almost 2 hours ago.

It's driving me nuts, I feel absolutely helpless. So far I have taken 4 days leave and they've done 4 hours work!
Liz

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Well, I am due to leave to Vancouver later today. I hear they have been expecting 2feet of snow and freezing rain last night. I am on my way to the Brew Creek Workshop with Robert Masters….for the weekend, then visting my friend JoAnn and then my sister Johanne in Victoria….Arthur if you are back in town by then, perhaps wecan havelunch onthe fourth….I am looking forward to this adventure but there isalso freezing rain expected on the 92 mile trip to the toronto airport tonight from my mom’s place….in short the weather sucks…..

I wish you were all coming to the Brew Creek thing, the hot tub and the secluded mountain lodge….the big fireplace….

I am wondering about what work I am going to try to pull off in myself. I am sure it will be about the frustration that I feel in the hidden ‘we’ space…..when isolation and dishonesty abound…..I would like to figure out a magic formula to dettach from it, and yet I wonder if the opposite is what is called for….there are a number of residual knots in my life that I would love to take the energy out of, process, and move on to a more creative approach….. It is amazing how so much of my limitation (perhaps true for all of us) is really a factor of how I am perceiving the world around me.

I have been thinking a lot the hidden under currents….sort of the hidden, silent spiritual symphony that keeps old patterns repeating, and seems to have a self protective cloaking device to escape ever being addressed head on……the soulscape of ‘we’ space that can only ever be gleaned by practitioners who continually do their best to remain curious, and non-judgemental, and seek the deeper truth….

I often feel like I am caught in the webs of fear that others spin….and if not caught, then at least limited in my interactions with them by their own fear….And then, this sounds arrogant, and I have to wonder what I have projected out there that, indeed, is actually ‘mine’………….

oh, there are stories that weave into above, as illustrative examples, but it is not any particular story line that interests me, but the process, the pattern that repeats itself with such mediocre results…..and then on the other hand, sometimes there really are miracles too….. I am such a novice.
Anyway, off into the day, of dreary rain, freezing rain, Vancouver snow and black ice on the Whistler highway…not at all the kind of day that should invite a traveller…..
Jane

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I have my own weekend to look forward to, Dharma weekend in Glasgow.
Kind of excited, kind of apprehensive. I've been going to a meditation class taught by a buddhist nun and this is sort of an extension.

Those of you remember the confirmed heathen who arrived in cyberspace a couple of years ago, claiming to have lost my upper left quadrant can laugh your socks off :-)

Since I can't come to your retreat, Jane, or join in many of the other things, I need to make my community here.

Have a good time at your event

Liz

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Jane,
Take care on the black ice and blessings on your workshop with RAM. I envy you! Navigate from your low belly and magnetize your tire treads to the ground under the road. I'm not sure if that's advice for the drive or the workshop..

Tiki, do you know that line from the Greg Brown song All the Money's Gone: “I love you soooooo much/ I want to buy you/ the world's largest baaaathtub”
Steep well.

I miss the west coast and your gloating doesn't help, Arthur! Can you convince my entire (conventional) family to move back out there with me? Please! How much would you charge me to pack up a Sacramento palm and send it to my Mom's house for Christmas?

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Oh, happy belated birthday Liz! May this year bring the greatest blessings yet..

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Thanks! It was a really great day. More later.

I went right from taking Arthur to the airport to an autism conference. So here I sit in a motel suite and I’m about to go out to dinner…I’m having existential whiplash. It’s so hard to say goodbye.

Liz

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Yeah. I Feel you. My relationship is currently long distance; my partner (and the papa) is 387 miles away.

I wonder what the metaphorical equivalent of the padded neck brace would be…
ILP, probably. I suspect not cheap motel porn. But, well, huh… I guess that could be a legitimate part of your ILP.
Actually, I think these rapid transitions from one dimension to another are fantastic ILP.
Breathe and hold your belly tenderly from time to time.

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I'm back home – looks like Arthur is too …. nearly midnight Thursday PST.

Full of gratitude and warm/sad fuzzies as I drove down from Sacramento today, thanks to Liz, Arthur, and Bruce.

Now …. must ….. sleeeeppp ….. and catch up on the tea tidbits, Mascha's frogs, Jane's lyricism and Tiki's amazing chocolate bathtub later …..

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Hi all

Would love to go to Tiki's scottish get-together, but the chance of me being there approaches zero (sorry - I'm feeling very continent-bound lately…even West-Coast-bound).  Would be so cool to have an integral gathering happen there though; I hope it works out.

It's weird to be back - I went from palm trees to snow.  Snow hardly ever happens in Vancouver, so it's quite a contrast; it's like the gods are conspiring to convince me to pick up roots and head south.

Basically I went from

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to

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:0

spirals,
arthur

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Didn't I tell you?

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“Didn't I tell you?”

Yes you did - I will never doubt you again!  (Some restrictions apply.) 

rats in a tree,
snakes on a plane,
and all's well with the world…

spiral out,
arthur

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yeeshk, I'm having a crispy-brain day today.   Must get caught up on sleep soon.

Mary, so great to see the Christian Contemplative thread you started.  It's not my area of expertise, so I probably won't post there, but I appreciate the thread, cool.  :)  I've come so far since I couldn't say the word “god” without shuddering, now I have a great appreciation for that spiritual stream.

I sent an interested coworker that list of IN YouTube videos today, and showed him the weird laughing video Balder found - he loved that one.

spirals,
arthur

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I think a daily dose of that video might become a part of my ILP, y'all …. at least temporarily.

It's strangely compelling ….

“DRUNK AGAIN!!!!!!”

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha……

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Look at the caravan, O guide, all the camels are lined up drunk
King drunk, teacher drunk, friend drunk, all else drunk
O Gardener, the musician's thunder brought forth the cloud of the wine-bearer
Garden drunk, meadow drunk, rose drunk and thorn drunk
O revolving skies how many times upon this path are wayfarer
Dust drunk, water drunk, wind drunk, fire drunk
The visible is in such state, questioning the invisible yourself spare
Soul drunk, and mind drunk, imagination and thoughts drunk
I cry out and sing for Beloved; for the Beloved much I care
Voice drunk, and harp drunk, plectrum and strings drunk
The lone spiritual monk and the wise mendicant Sufi dare
Robes and gown tear, through the market place pass drunk
Each drunk in his own way, in the limits of his own share
O awake and observe how even every cloud is drunk.

~ Rumi, from the Divan-e-Shams

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Got back from the conference last night–thanks for all the well-wishing, folks. Sorry you’re also long-distance, Lauren. It sucks, ILP or no. And pregnant…you’re a saint.

Arthur, that picture of winter in Vancouver nearly made me cry. Stop it.

I’m back at work, though Arthur and Mary now truly know how little work I actually do here. It’s more a break from my real, unpaid work at home, than anything else. Actually, it’s all about being the grown-up in charge, so maybe it’s just more of the same. Long stretches of boredom interspersed with barking orders.

Liz

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Liz: your job absolutely rocks! I aspire to find something similar – basically a gig that requires me to be somewhere cool, where I have access to computers–but that doesn't usually require that much energy output from me! And no deadlines! I want your job, bitch!

Oh – and welcome back. :-)

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Uh-oh.  Looks like I've killed the lyrics thread.  <gulp>  Well, an automatic error report is generated, so let's wait a bit and see if it gets fixed. 

I was posting Peter Gabriel's lyrics for “In Your Eyes” - might have been trying to cut&paste Tam's “Shorn Again Christian” pic that did it; maybe those pics are formatted in a thread-killing way.  :0

Then I was going to post some Joan Armatrading lyrics.  Oh well, later for that. 

I'm on 4.5 hours sleep last night, following an unknown number of nights of about 6 (at the most) each night.  I think I got one 7.5 hour night in there somewhere…heee….I go on these “runs” and sometimes they eventually stop or get a bit better…reaches a point where I just crash.  That could happen.

In a while I'll be heading off for a brainwave biofeedback appointment - I dig having electrodes stuck on my head and changing my brainwave patterns as required.  It's  a thing of swirly grooviness - I highly recommend it. 

brain frying, more later,
arthur

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Jane, I really resonated with what you posted on Thursday, it affected me deeply.

I’ve known of the underlying malaise for a long time really, but it’s exposing myself to the ideas of the evolving AQAL model that is broadening my mind. I’m still quite new to it all so I still feel a bit self-conscious using the terminology, but its my starting to ‘get’ tetra-enactment that  seems to  be making a real difference. And I’ve only begun to do this thanks to the ‘we’ space afforded by this forum and of course the Multiplex Integral Naked Forums. Thank you my new community.

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That's really wierd, most of what I wrote didn't arrive once I'd pressed 'send post'. I'm trying again.

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Jane, I really resonated with what you posted on Thursday, it affected me deeply.

“It is amazing how so much of my limitation (perhaps true for all of us) is really a factor of how I am perceiving the world around me.”

I seem to have so many filters in place that keep me from truly appreciating the riches on offer to me in life and by life, and how well I would be sustained if I were only to participate more and give of myself more fully. My self-cherishing mind is like a parasite, with a deeply penetrating mycelium, that seems to feed off everything (including the nourrishment provided by life affirming practices), stunting growth in the process.

“I have been thinking a lot the hidden under currents….sort of the hidden, silent spiritual symphony that keeps old patterns repeating, and seems to have a self protective cloaking device to escape ever being addressed head on……the soulscape of ‘we’ space that can only ever be gleaned by practitioners who continually do their best to remain curious, and non-judgemental, and seek the deeper truth….”

I’m beginning to see that in my partial focus on self-development (partial because the main focus is really on myself) it’s the ‘we’ space that I’ve been neglecting – neglecting owning my part in its co-creation, neglecting consciously taking responsibility for its welfare.

On the surface I may have been appearing (to myself at least) to say yes to the idea “change yourself, change the world” but I’m beginnning to see that I’ve been oriented largely towards the upper quadrants, particularly UL, and paying lip service to what I’m now seeing as the vital need for active engagement in and cultivation of this ‘we’ space.

I’ve known of the underlying malaise for a long time really, but it’s exposing myself to the ideas of the evolving AQAL model that is broadening my mind. I’m still quite new to it all so I still feel a bit self-conscious using the terminology, but its my starting to ‘get’ tetra-enactment that  seems to  be making a real difference. And I’ve only begun to do this thanks to the ‘we’ space afforded by this forum and of course the Multiplex Integral Naked Forums. Thank you my new community.

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Oh God, I haven’t inadvertently committed threadicide have I? Please, please, please don’t let it be that I’ve killed the Holy Yak.

http://www.fao.org/ag/agp/agpc/doc/essays/A13.jpg

Oh there you are, alive and well, impressive creature that you are (even if your gorgeous picture won’t bloody well paste!!). So where did you get to yesterday, having a holiday were you?

Steady, steady, don’t get the hump …… (forgotten how temperamental yaks are) ……

There, there ……… (better go now while the goings good)

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There's no way you could kill the Holy Yak, Lol. I think we're just having slow times …

(Btw, I just tried to paste a pic too and see that it didn't work) …

Peace and stars – Mary

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Reports of the death of this thread are premature.

Lol, I think one of the really useful things about this kind of space is it lets us all become a bit more rounded (or tetra emergent if that's not a dirty word), different quadrants needing attention, different lines of development lagging behind because we all had different criteria for deciding what's important. And of course it's more comfortable to think the stuff we are good at matters.

Liz 

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Thanks,Liz, it's really good to be reminded of that, that we all have “different lines of development lagging behind”. It's so easy for me (and I guess everyone, really) to think “oh  this person is so intelligent / savvy” or “this person is so wise / deep” and in doing so view myself in a poor light.

Btw, which line of development is it that's affected if one believe-d/-s oneself to be responsible for ones mother being horribly hurt if not killed through giving birth (Caesarian), and so as a consequence not deserving of her love, and finding this 'not deserving of love' scenario being seemingly readily constellated in life? Any insights anyone?

Classic Sun conjunct Pluto in Leo opposite Moon in  Aquarius way of asking an academic  question, there — there are always other questions hidden within the surface one.

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Btw, which line of development is it that's affected if one believe-d/-s oneself to be responsible for ones mother being horribly hurt if not killed through giving birth (Caesarian), and so as a consequence not deserving of her love, and finding this 'not deserving of love' scenario being seemingly readily constellated in life? Any insights anyone?

That should be arrested development, anyone who believes that stuff should be locked up!
Seriously, misplaced guilt maybe, except that all guilt is probably misplaced something. Not feeling loved and needing to find a reason?
Some folk say “whatever you give your attention to grows”. If one believs oneself to be unloveable or unworthy, it'll get projected to other people.
 
And thinking someone has that kind of responsibility is a misplaced sense of power too, it would take a pretty powerful unborn baby to “cause” any of that.

Liz

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Hi Liz

“That should be arrested development, anyone who believes that stuff should be locked up!
Seriously, misplaced guilt maybe, except that all guilt is probably misplaced something. Not feeling loved and needing to find a reason?
Some folk say “whatever you give your attention to grows”. If one believs oneself to be unloveable or unworthy, it'll get projected to other people.
 
And thinking someone has that kind of responsibility is a misplaced sense of power too, it would take a pretty powerful unborn baby to “cause” any of that.”

Your joking aside, I was a little surprised by your reponse.

I do believe the groundbreaking work of  the likes of  William Emerson in pre- and peri-natal psychology or Ray Castellino in birth process work deserves to be 'included'. The idea of deep imprints being formed in a  baby's psyche in the prenatal and perinatal period, including 'life statements' such as not-deserving-love being associated with the scenario I gave, are accepted and given credence in this work.

I may have been lazy in that I didn't try to find a full list of developmental lines to muse over myself, but my question wasn't an abstract one. I was born Caearian, and although I don't have any 'direct' memory, visual or otherwise, of my birth, lots of things to do with it have come up in process work over the years, including resonating strongly with the scenario I depicted.

I don't think it's a case of “needing to find a reason” for not feeling loved, or any underlying sense of not deserving love, but it certainly can be extremely helpful to uncouple the different components of any such life-statement in order to expose it for what it is, a myth.

Lol

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Your joking aside, I was a little surprised by your reponse.

I do believe the groundbreaking work of  the likes of  William Emerson in pre- and peri-natal psychology or Ray Castellino in birth process work deserves to be 'included'. The idea of deep imprints being formed in a  baby's psyche in the prenatal and perinatal period, including 'life statements' such as not-deserving-love being associated with the scenario I gave, are accepted and given credence in this work.

I may have been lazy in that I didn't try to find a full list of developmental lines to muse over myself, but my question wasn't an abstract one. I was born Caearian, and although I don't have any 'direct' memory, visual or otherwise, of my birth, lots of things to do with it have come up in process work over the years, including resonating strongly with the scenario I depicted.

I don't think it's a case of “needing to find a reason” for not feeling loved, or any underlying sense of not deserving love, but it certainly can be extremely helpful to uncouple the different components of any such life-statement in order to expose it for what it is, a myth.

Thanks Lol,

Ok it's hands up time. This is the second time this has happened to me, there's something I need to learn here.

I asked Robert masters a question quite a long time ago now, I'll look it out, with his response. His book irritated me in a number of ways and his response was fairly robust too.
I always meant to come back and toy with it more, I remember Robert's response was a challenge to me about whether I thought a foetus couldn't feel pain. I thought it was so obvious I would never suggest such a thing I think I got even more irritated, because I wasn't saying that at all.
What you are saying here touches on the same area. I'll look out the Ram stuff and if you don't mind I'll include your comments-I think this deserves a thread.

WARNING******* When people start pointing to unresolved trauma passing through the birth canal as the reason for their adult difficulties, my bullshit detector goes off big time. That's twice now I've said something I thought was perfectly reasonable and got a reaction I didn't anticipate, both times on the same subject. I have nothing invested in being right, or proving myself right. i don't want an argument, just a chance to explore some of this. No doubt this will also lead to people suggesting souls float around out there and choose which mother's body (or which foetus) to inhabit, or come from a position of wisdom and choose the life they will take on because they know it'll teach them the lessons they need. That may make more than the bullshit detector go off and It's quite possible I'll throw up. Hopefully that will be metaphorically, but it'll probably land here!

I will try to be respectful of everyone's views,but I can feel already how challenging I'll find this.

Oh and LOL, I din't mean to be flippant, it just really didn't register that you might be serious.

Liz: 

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Hey Liz and Lol

I think that subject - perinatal/birth trauma - would make a great thread.  :)

So, I've started a thread on this subject in the Integral Parenting board:

Pre- and Perinatal Trauma

I quoted your exchange here as well as the relevant segment from the Robert Augustus Masters Q&A material.

spirals,
arthur

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Thank you Arthur.
I am going to struggle with this, which is maybe one reason I never got the post together. Sounds like you have done exactly what I intended to do.

I will be very grateful eventually, right now I'm going through one of those “feeling exposed” phases, so sure, the parenting thread is entirely appropriate. i've already let it all hang out there, so to speak.

I will be grateful, eventually, I can feel a hard lesson coming on!
Liz

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any theories about, as Paul has said, this “massive shift in organizational direction (by my count, about 8 have been laid off or resigned in the past week)”?

Is it lack of funds, leading to a staff reduction? Is it some huge altercation?

Anything beyond rumor is welcome!

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I don't have anything beyond that, either. I do know that it has been painful for all involved, but I don't know details.

I met Ballard when he serenaded us from the hill above Ken's house upon our arrival when we had the gathering in Boulder. What a sweet guy. (and I think he tried out for American Idol. I saw his pic on the website. too funny) They were all so great. I assume they will all land on their feet.

I wonder what will happen at I-I, but I'm no longer all that attached to it in the old way that I was. I was interested and grateful to read about Paul's reflections. I have always wondered at the lopsidedness of hiring so many young, inexperienced people. Sure, they're flexible, damn smart and fast learners, but I wonder if maybe they were too flexible. They were/are overworked, underpaid and perhaps they just didn't have a firm enough grounding to integrate work and life in a healthy way.

I'm very grateful for all their work. Godspeed, former staffers!

Liz

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wow…lots of changes and interpersonal turbulence to go around these days, it seems. 

BTW, please don't change the subject heading - it confuses my poor brain.  :p  We can always start a daughter thread if a radical new direction is required; the Daily Yak is a meandering, talk about anything, always stuck to the top kind of thread.  Nothing is offtopic here. 

spirals,
arthur

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Yakking (and praying in the integral closet)


I belong to an internet  sangha centered around my teacher, and we have a private yahoogroup.  It used to be full of discussions about various aspects of the teaching, with students providing their experiences, perspectives, etc. for us all to grow and learn together.  It morphed over the period of about a year to becoming a prayer list for all the down-and-outers.  Almost no discussion takes place there, which is fine because there are plenty of places to flext the ego-cogito muscles elsewhere (yes, lately it does appear that Keith is biased against conceptualizing…not biased against, but in heavily conceptualized territory like I-I I find it helpful to remind myself not to take these mental gymnastics so seriously…I digress).  It was a year in the making, and now for about a solid year it is almost nothing but a prayer list.

I used to cringe at all the prayer requests….except it feels really good to hold someone elses interests at heart and to offer good intentions, so I play along.   We all know that this is a rocky path, and it's nice to share in each other's strengths when we are feeling down.  Now, I'm not advocating turning this in to a prayer list, but just know that if someone is having a bad day, I'll be imagining them smiling in the sunshine anyway.

So, here's my favorite teaching on prayer, by the Persian Poet, Hafiz, with emphasis added to my favorite part:

“Then a priestess said, Speak to us of Prayer.

And he answered, saying:

You pray in your distress and in your need;
would that you might pray also in the fullness of
your joy and in your days of abundance.

For what is prayer but the expansion of yourself
into the living ether?

And if it is for your comfort to pour your
darkness into space, it is also for your delight to
pour forth the dawning of your heart.

And if you cannot but weep when your soul
summons you to prayer, she should spur you
again and yet again, though weeping, until you
shall come laughing.

When you pray you rise to meet in the air those
who are praying at that very hour, and whom
save in prayer you may not meet.

Therefore let your visit to that temple invisible
be for naught but ecstasy and sweet
communion.

For if you should enter the temple for no other
purpose than asking you shall not receive:

And if you should enter into it to humble
yourself you shall not be lifted:

Or even if you should enter into it to beg for the
good of others you shall not be heard.

It is enough that you enter the temple invisible.

I cannot teach you how to pray in words.

God listens not to your words save when He
Himself utters them through your lips.

And I cannot teach you the prayer of the seas
and the forests and the mountains.

But you who are born of the mountains and the
forests and the seas can find their prayer in your
heart,

And if you but listen in the stillness of the night
you shall hear them saying in silence,

'Our God, who art our winged self, it is thy will
in us that willeth.

It is thy desire in us that desireth.

It is thy urge in us that would turn our nights,
which are thine, into days which are thine also.

We cannot ask thee for aught, for thou knowest
our needs before they are born in us:

Thou art our need; and in giving us more of
thyself thou givest us all.'”

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wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!  I get to go see a new Sigourney Weaver (swoon) movie tonight - using a free preview pass someone just gave me.  :)



The movie is Snow Cake, and the premise is very intriguing.  “A drama focused on the friendship between a high-functioning autistic woman (Weaver) and a man (Rickman) who is traumatized after a fatal car accident.”

The tagline on the pass says “life happens when you least expect it,” and that has sure been true in my experience…

spiral up and out and all about,
arthur

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Just looked at the trailer.


Warning! Spoiler!!!










It looks like the autistic woman gets to be the friend and someone else gets the guy. Typical.

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Response to Liz's spoiler…this is a second hand spoiler, WARNING.















Yeah, well, if Linda, the autistic character Sigourney Weaver played, wasn't so asexual, I would have gone for her.  What's not to fuck about Sigourney?  :p

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No daily yakking lately?  Alas.  Hey, this news is more than a week old, and nobody told me.  I'm integrally miffed.  :p

		Photos of Aja Pink Davis
		December 16, 2006 23:41
		As some of you may have heard, Aja Pink Davis was born on December 9th, 2006, at 2:50 PM.  Our most ecstatic congratulations and deepest love to the ever-expanding Davis clan: Stuart, Marci, Ara, and Aja!

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Yay Arthur!  Again, forgive us our sins of the Flash player ;-)

rollie

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Consider it done.  I knew if I waited long enough my computer would upgrade the flash player.  :p

BTW, Rollie, Liz and I are going to visit Boulder sometime this summer - we'd love to meet you.  :)  (Consider this fair warning if you'd rather run away screaming…)

arthur

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Just to make sure there are no hard feelings, Rollie, here are a bunch of soft bunnies for the I-I staff:



Make sure Nomali gets one, OK?  :)

arthur

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awww……those little babies are sooooooooooo cute!! thanks, Arthur :-)

Love to you All,
Nomz

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Kosmic Kitten Kuddles to all!



…and don't forget presence!



arthur

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Today's nature drama involves a tiny bird that keeps attacking my kitchen window. It took me a while to identify it, as the picture in my guide doesn't do this fine little bird justice. It's a Ruby-crowned kinglet that appears to be defending its territory against a rival, if illusory, bird. There aren't any notes on its territorial behavior in my field guide, but I'm assuming that the fact that I can see the brilliant red crown in all its glory and it's so drab in the picture is because it's displaying its prowess for the reflection-bird.

I'd love to get a picture of this bird. I'll post it if I do.

Liz

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Hm, I wonder… it is so unusual for a bird to behave the way you describe. Reminds me of a true story. A musician friend of mine has a strange history with birds from the wild. One time, a bunch of us were gathered in my living room at night when a small bird started hurling itself against the window pane until we began to fear for its life. My friend went outside, picked it up and carried it in. He held it in the palm of his hand, gently stroked its back, and remarked, “It came to me. For some reason, birds do that all the time. I think it wants to die.” Sure enough, the bird died in his hands within the hour, and we buried it in the garden that night.

Another time, three of us were sitting on his patio in the mountains near Santa Fe. We were talking about some deep down spiritual stuff, baring our souls, when suddenly, a white, albino falcon swooped down out of nowhere, touched my friend’s bald pate with its claws without scratching him, like an anointing of some kind, and flew off into the great blue sky. This guy didn’t bat an eyelash and continued our conversation, while my girlfriend and I sat there, speechless, wondering if this wasn’t some kind of New Age St. Francis thing we were witnessing here! But no. The man is definitely enlightened sometimes, but he’s also an asshole, just like the rest of us. The keyword being ‘also’.

Happy New Year, Liz & everyone,

M

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Well, I heard St. Francis was an asshole in his younger days; and maybe the only reason we haven't heard of a dark side during his saintly period is that the internet hadn't been invented yet…

arthur

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So true, Arthur… If St. Francis was doing his trademark thing today, his critics would be ripping him a new one on hundreds of blogs. Like, “WTF is he doing with fish in his lap?! He needs a girlfriend, or is he gay, or what?”

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Hold your horses for just one minute there, Arthur. You heard that St. Francis was an asshole in his younger days? Now this is interesting. I've heard that the world is flat and is supported by turtles. Lots of turtles. Turtles all the way down. Or horses. Where exactly did you hear this?

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Well, as you know, assholeishness is in the eye of the beholder. Furthermore, Arthur may have some very esoteric inside information about Francisco of Assisi. Apparently, he started out as a drunkard and rebel-rouser, then graduated to being a huge pain in the ass of the Christian church until it declared him a Saint. At least you’re recognized as a Pharaoh while alive, dear Ramsses, and revered as such. Something to feel grateful for, no?

M

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Do you think he really stripped and ran naked out of his father's house? I met a guy who had some kind of a peak experience in college and ran outside in the middle of winter in just his undewear and the college made him get therapy.

All Glory to You, most high, omnipotent, and good Lord
Praise and honor forever and every blessing.

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It's said that Francis was rambunctious and rebellious as a youth, enjoyed drinking and carousing with his friends, and made fun of his father's pursuit of wealth as a cloth merchant. He participated in military expeditions and was about to join a crusade in 1205 or so when he had a vision that precipitated a spiritual crisis.

In the heat of his conversion, he had another mystical vision that directed him to rebuild a broken-down local church. He sold his horse and some cloth from his father's store in order to do so. His father demanded restitution and punishment. In an interview in front of the local bishop, Francis renounced his father and his inheritance, literally stripping naked so that he could give all of his father's garments back to him. Thus began his life as a beggar in Assisi. A few years later, he and several like-minded companions founded the Franciscan order.

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Hail Mary for setting the record straight. Turtles are many. Holy women are few.

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My beloved Mascha, you do me too great an honor.

My beloved Arthur, you bear the mark of the Turtle.

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A turtle told me…

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bonus turtle image

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Francis was rambunctious and rebellious as a youth, enjoyed drinking and carousing with his friends, and made fun of his father's pursuit of wealth as a cloth merchant.

Ah ha! See, I knew it! He was green waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of his time.

I had a St. Francis moment with a bird once …

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LOL and LOL again, you guys are so much fun. Sneaking away here for a minute from the festivities… Tim, I’d love to hear your bird story. And Liz, what happened with the one who tried to get into your house?

Happy turtles all the way,

M

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As I try to figure out how to explain it, my “St. Francis bird moment” is feeling more and more like a true “you had to be there” sort of thing. But basically, in the middle of an outdoor performance (many years ago), and when it seemed like things were going well, you know some flow and inspiration going and all, everyone was into it, etc.-I had to make a “crowing” sound and when I did a seagull flying overhead answered me back or seemed to. Again, that sounds so dumb writing it out like that without the live context, but everyone just about literally gasped -including me-because it made the exact same sound that I did; it was kind of like communally impossible not to feel-and in a very deep and profound sort of spiritual way (especially as per the energy of that particular moment and leading up to it) that it was directly answering me back, responding to that moment we hmans were creating

Like I say, everyone had this “communication with the animals!” sort of feeling out of it. But it was more than just like a bird call sort of thing, there was something deeply spiritual about it and so thoughts of St. Francis and the legends of his nature mysticism naturally arose. (Not that I'm like St. Francis or something, just more like we all experienced perhaps the reality of what is purported to have have going on between St. Frank and the animals in his later years after his drinking and carousing … :-) )

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There's a cool musical piece I heard about, by a Canadian composer (Schaeffer, I believe), which consciously works in communion with animals.  There's a lake in Canada where the wolves come to drink at a certain time every year, and the performance is staged (I think on a floating stage on the lake) to coincide with the coming of the wolves.  The music is designed to echo and to elicit responses from the wolves and sometimes other animals in the area.  I read about this years ago, so I may not have the details right, but it seems like it would be magical.

I love magical animal stories.  I once watched my mother lead a medicine wheel ceremony in Arizona, and as she was closing it with a prayer, arms upraised to the sky, three birds came and whirled closely all around her body before shooting up into the sky again.  One of those things you have to see to get the full impact…

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I had a St. Francis of Assisi experience back in the  summer of 1971, can remember it as if it were yesterday. It was my second trip, one week after my first which was on Orange Sunshine. This time it was a capsule of Mescalin,  and I had such a wonderful time. My ony regret was that I didn't have  a second cap to take that day!

I spent most of the day in Holland Park near Notting Hill and had an incredible experience of feeling/being one with Nature, the trees, flowers, grass, the air, the sky ….. and the birds of course. I went to the cafe in the park and asked for some bread to feed the birds ….. as you do. Then went back to the bench I'd been sitting on and started breaking bits from a slice of Mother's Pride (sliced white bread). In no time at all I had sparrows landing on my arms and hopping down to my hands to takethe small pieces directly from between finger and thumb. This lasted for some time. Hmmmm.

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Arthur and I went to Esalen this weekend and met the one and only mcenter, AKA Ryan!

Um, since we really, really, really didn't want to get out of the baths, we decided to forgo last night's sleep. So I'm a bit punchy. We set what we think may be a new Esalen record for staying in the mineral-hot-springs-fed baths: 6 hours. Then we got in my car and headed home.

What an experience. I took 65 or so pictures, which I'll be posting somewhere sometime very soon, but my mind isn't up to the task at the moment. Stunningly beautiful place, and it's always good to see MaryW. This time, we also met the Hubby.

More to follow. Must get daughter ready for school soon. Must also remember to breathe. Seriously, I might forget.

Liz

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It was fantastic meeting Ryan and hanging out at Esalen.  :)  We took many pictures and they will be posted in due course; at the moment, my brain is toasted and my mind is marinating in fatigue poisons, wheeeeeeee!   Always good to see Maryw.  :):):)  And to finally meet her spousal unit.  The hot tubs are fantastic - pictures coming soon.

spirals,
arthur

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Six hours in the water! Was that just on Sunday? Because on Saturday evening the soak lasted for something like 2 or 3 hours … Thus all told you guys may have spent an equivalent of a work day in the water over the weekend.

Kirk and I had to leave earlier on Sunday – got home around 2 a.m., to sleep at about 4, woke up around 11 today, and now I'm pleasantly spacey, feeling like I'm still suspended in water but also moving through space at 75-80 mph - aftereffects of a post-bath 400-mile drive … Kirk is still in his p.j.'s.

It was a delight to spend time with Ryan, the dreadlocked and bespectacled philosopher-poet, and to meet Tricia, Ryan's gracious and hospitable mom. And as always, it's food for the soul to hang out with Liz and Arthur.  :-)

—-   still   floating    —-
   …  …. …..  …  ….  ….,

              Mary

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Avast, ye scurvy dogs.

That is to say…

Arrrrr!! I've become obsessed with being a pirate.

It all started with the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, a reaction to the silliness of a certain school board trying to teach “creationism” in schools as a science. Arthur unwittingly set me on this course by telling me about them. They're into dressing like pirates, and, well…

That's about as far as this post is going to go with any integrally-related topic. Feel free to talk about evolution somewhere where, y'know, smart people post. But the part of my brain that thinks intellectual thoughts has been on holiday for, I dunno, about 7 months or so, since my chemistry class finished, along with my marriage. Since then, I've been developing my other, neglected, lines. I was far too smart for my own good, as evidenced by my ability to live in denial.

But no more! Now, I want to be a pirate. I want to wear sexy girl pirate clothes and talk like a pirate. I even want (uh, someday in the distant future) to be married in full pirate regalia. To that end, I've been perusing piracy-related sites, and I've come up with a few good ones. The best one is here, because it links to all the other ones. Be sure to go to the links page and check out the fun things like pirate costumes and such.

Here I am as a lusty pirate wench. Shiver me timbers, baby! (The face is mine; the rest is Photoshop, rather obviously.)

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Oooh, baby - you know you've got my timbers shivering.  Avast!

I feel moved to reveal to you all that The Giant Kosmic Space Squid hirself has a pirate manifestation.

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“But I don't wanna be a pirate.”



…unless…




I so wanna be a pirate wench!

Hook

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You are going to walk the plank for daring to post a more comely wench than I.

AArrrrrhhhh.

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Yar!  There be no more comely wench than me matey, Liz!

yarrrrrr!thur

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And apparently, you are beholden to me…ba-dump-bump!

Liz

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Well I've been away from integrally minded forums for a little while now,  first messing around in Second Life,  and now I've been sucked back into Eve Online - and let me tell you,  I HATE pirates. 

There is nothing worse than trying to do some low sec mining in an uninhabited system when in swoops a gang of space pirates.  First they warpjam me so I can't escape (and really I suppose its my fault for not fitting my ship with a warpcore stabaliser - but they totally fuck your weapons, you know?) then I'm picked of by impotent men compensating for their miserly endowments.  Even if I make it out without getting podded,  I”ve still lost a ship and all its fittings.  And knowing me,  I havn't bothered to insure it.

But for you Liz,  I'll make an exception.  You can pod-kill me anytime.  My clone won't hold a grudge.

Well,  I'm off to make a little more isk (interstellar kredits). 

Aqally yours,
Asar Starwind,
JumpDrive Corp.

(aka Enkidu Fanwood, aka 93Nothing88, aka Mike)

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Hi, Mike, have you seen Peter (Kessels) lately?  He's been away from the Multiplex for ages, it seems.  If you do, please give him a shout out from Balder.

Arthur and Liz, wicked pirates that they are, have lured me way from the Multiplex, and now I'm zaadzing it with me frothy mates….

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Mike, great to see you again - don't be such a stranger dude!  :)

Bruce, I've been thinking about Kessels a lot lately and wondering about him - missing his presence in these spaces.  I hope we'll see him grace this space again soon.

avast, mateys!
arthur

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Avast, Mike; prepare to be boarded, baby. Arrrrrh.

Liz

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Liz: ” Avast, Mike; prepare to be boarded, baby. Arrrrrh.

Liz”


Uh…are you coming on to him?  No pegging other guys without prior permission!  >:0

- especially using your “peg leg” - that's hella hardcore.  Splinter hazard too.  :0

freak out,
arthur

p.s. Special pirate tip of the day: episode 2 of the Viking Youth Power Hour features discussion of pirates.   Yaaar!

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Arrrrh, back t' yer cabin, boy! Ye'll be summoned when we're ready fer ye.

(hey, we agreed on Mike already, didn't we??? hehe!)

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yar!  What a comely lass!

Liz: “Arrrrh, back t' yer cabin, boy! Ye'll be summoned when we're ready fer ye.

(hey, we agreed on Mike already, didn't we??? hehe!)”

NOTE to self: review copy of 3some policy…

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Avast!  I think ye be tryin' to find's his

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ye comely wench!

Yar!thur

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I've not heard from Kessels/Peter in forever.  I'll send him an IM in SL just in case he still logs in.  The integral- SL thing kinda fizzled a little,  although I still see Tiki Liz and Leela there regularly.  What we need in SL are more integral people (hint hint).  Now that I've digested more of IS I might start writting more notecards and throwing them up at Integral Island. 

Somebody left a box at the island near the notecard stations.  I checked to see what it was and it was titled “skinner box” and the description said “Figured this place Needed one.”  I'm not quite sure what the guy meant (have I really misrepresented Integral that badly? lol).  I mean I mentioned Behaviourism as an example of right hand reductionism and everything … Probably some greenie romantic.  Anyway.

Yeah,  I've been scarce.  Like I said I got sucked into Eve Online again.  And I just planned out my vegetable garden for this year.  I ordered some seeds yesterday,  still have more to get.  So that will occupy me too.  What can I say,  I can't focus on any one thing for too long.

Okay,  I've yakked enough.  I'm off to trade nocxium and make some isk.
Later,
Mike

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Enkidu: “I've not heard from Kessels/Peter in forever.  I'll send him an IM in SL just in case he still logs in.  The integral- SL thing kinda fizzled a little,  although I still see Tiki Liz and Leela there regularly.  What we need in SL are more integral people (hint hint).  Now that I've digested more of IS I might start writting more notecards and throwing them up at Integral Island. ”

Hmm…SL sounds like too much of an additional timesuck to me; plus I wasn't able to get the alpha (WTF!?) version of the SL program working on my linux computer.  Now I would be more likely to wait until I have regular access to Macs and/or PC's…but then again…it would still be too much of an additional timesuck, at least when I also have to work for a living.

Anyway, I hope we hear from Kessels/Peter soon.

spiral on,
arthur

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Here is a picture of me taken at work today.  That mp3 player has been saving my sanity lately - I'm listening to Integral Naked dialogs, Viking Youth podcasts, and various music (mostly Stuart Davis and Crowded House so far) during the times that I work downstairs.

spiral on,
arthur

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holy shit, you're cute.

Liz

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Holy shit you work in a book store/library.  I hate you.  I wish you were dead.  Then,  when you were dead,  I'd take your job.  And maby your girlfriend too.  Your life is SO glamorous.  It isn't fair.

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Enkidu: “Holy shit you work in a book store/library.  I hate you.  I wish you were dead.  Then,  when you were dead,  I'd take your job.  And maby your girlfriend too.  Your life is SO glamorous.  It isn't fair.”

I take your seething jealousy as a raving endorsement of the amazing wonderland of joy and fulfillment that is my life.  Tell you what, help me find a good job in Sacramento or cyberspace and I'll see what I can do to help you get a job in the Vancouver Public Library system.  :)  (It's actually far more fun to work here than you can possibly imagine - why, if I didn't have a pirate babe for a girlfriend who happens to be geographically challenged, I'd never leave.)

spiral out,
arthur

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Ah, yes. The repetitive stress injuries from working in a library really attract the chicks. I personally find it intoxicating. If only I could get him to wear those hot little wrist supports that come in fetching beige or ecru…

Liz

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What's not to love about baby goats?

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Mairzey dotes, and dozey dotes
and liddle lamzie divey.
A kiddely divey too
wouldn’t you?

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Not if it's poison ivy!  :0

r.thor@yikes.eek

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You know, I'll bet that if given the chance, you'd reconsider.

http://www.comicbookhotties.com/images/poison-ivy/large/uma-thurman-picture-14.jpg

;o)

Liz

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LOL

er…is this a trick question?

r.thor@nonplused.huh

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ha ha ho ho and hee hee

This board is rockin' …  but let's not completely forget about all the other worthy threads on the board….there's more to the integral world than Andrew Cohen.  For example, there's Leonard Cohen…

LEONARD COHEN LYRICS

"Hallelujah" [OK, this is a really cheezy video, but the song is great.]


Now I've heard there was a secret chord

That David played, and it pleased the Lord

But you don't really care for music, do you?

It goes like this

The fourth, the fifth

The minor fall, the major lift

The baffled king composing Hallelujah

Hallelujah

Hallelujah

Hallelujah

Hallelujah



Your faith was strong but you needed proof

You saw her bathing on the roof

Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew you

She tied you

To a kitchen chair

She broke your throne, and she cut your hair

And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah



Hallelujah, Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah



You say I took the name in vain

I don't even know the name

But if I did, well really, what's it to you?

There's a blaze of light

In every word

It doesn't matter which you heard

The holy or the broken Hallelujah



Hallelujah, Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah



I did my best, it wasn't much

I couldn't feel, so I tried to touch

I've told the truth, I didn't come to fool you

And even though

It all went wrong

I'll stand before the Lord of Song

With nothing on my tongue but Hallelujah



Hallelujah, Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah

Hallelujah

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Since the pod is dead-ish tonight, I give you all the link to the offical website for the movie “The Number 23.”

What you may not know about our dear Arthur is that he finds that number in his life all the time…there was some stupid book about it…

He's SO pre-rational. hehe.

Liz

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You say dead-ish, I say deadalicious

You say po-tay-to, I say to-mah-to…

In this way the kosmic balance is maintained.  :)

heehee
heeheehee

r.thor

p.s. Jim Carey is a Canadian, eh.  Coincidence?

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“p.s. Jim Carey is a Canadian, eh.  Coincidence?”

I think not. You guys are creepy.

Liz

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My husband just cell-phoned me from his truck to share this bumpersticker text with me:

“I'M ONLY SPEEDING BECAUSE I HAVE TO POOP.”

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Somebody had to THINK of that bumper sticker. Then they got someone to buy it!

America: it's not just an empire anymore!

Liz

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One of my favorite bumper stickers is I BRAKE FOR HALLUCINATIONS.

A t-shirt I really like is: I'M NOT WITH STUPID ANYMORE.  hehehe

arthur

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“A t-shirt I really like is: I'M NOT WITH STUPID ANYMORE.”

I need to get me one o' them.

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Oooooooo! Arthur, you kind of walked into that one … !

Back to the original issue of the day – bumperstickers – I actually dig the speeding and poop bumpersticker, and feel that we could use a whole slew of such “explanatory” bumperstickers (just don't expect me to put one on my car) … 

I'm Only Lane-Weaving Because I'm Drunk
I'm Only Cutting You Off Because I'm Suicidal
I Only Tossed My Lit Cigarette Out the Car Because I'm a Closet Arsonist …

Think of the compassion that could be evoked!

Mary

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Girl, I was talking about my ex! ROFL!

Liz

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ROFL! – Yeah, a minute ago I actually “got” it and was gonna edit, but oh well.

I'm Only Posting Because I'm Still Stupid …

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Avast, me hale and hearty holons!

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Delightful grocery-store discovery yesterday –

Rice Cream (the delectable non-dairy frozen dessert that Liz hipped me to) has had its name changed to: ORGANIC RICE DIVINE. Put out by a company called Good Karma.

And it now comes in Vanilla, Carrot Cake, Mud Pie, Chocolate Mint, and Peach/Berry flavors!

It's a beautiful world we live in.

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My guess is that they were sued, either by the makers of Rice Dream, a vastly inferior product, or the milk lobby, which protects words like “cream” from being used by non-milk products.

Liz

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Priests to Purify Site After Bush Visit

By JUAN CARLOS LLORCA, Associated Press Writer

document.write(getElapsed(“20070309T052037Z”));Thu Mar 8, 9:20 PMUPDATED 11 HOURS 56 MINUTES AGO

GUATEMALA CITY - Mayan priests will purify a sacred archaeological site to eliminate “bad spirits” after President Bush visits next week, an official with close ties to the group said Thursday.

“That a person like (Bush), with the persecution of our migrant brothers in the United States, with the wars he has provoked, is going to walk in our sacred lands, is an offense for the Mayan people and their culture,” Juan Tiney, the director of a Mayan nongovernmental organization with close ties to Mayan religious and political leaders, said Thursday.

Bush's seven-day tour of Latin America includes a stopover beginning late Sunday in Guatemala. On Monday morning he is scheduled to visit the archaeological site Iximche on the high western plateau in a region of the Central American country populated mostly by Mayans.

Tiney said the “spirit guides of the Mayan community” decided it would be necessary to cleanse the sacred site of “bad spirits” after Bush's visit so that their ancestors could rest in peace. He also said the rites _ which entail chanting and burning incense, herbs and candles _ would prepare the site for the third summit of Latin American Indians March 26-30.

Bush's trip has already has sparked protests elsewhere in Latin America, including protests and clashes with police in Brazil hours before his arrival. In Bogota, Colombia, which Bush will visit on Sunday, 200 masked students battled 300 riot police with rocks and small homemade explosives.

The tour is aimed at challenging a widespread perception that the United States has neglected the region and at combatting the rising influence of Venezuelan leftist President Hugo Chavez, who has called Bush “history's greatest killer” and “the devil.”

Iximche, 30 miles west of the capital of Guatemala City, was founded as the capital of the Kaqchiqueles kingdom before the Spanish conquest in 1524.

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I'm off to Vancouver in an hour or so. Please send prayers and metta and whatever positive energies to me for a safe trip, as I'm driving and it's a long haul. (been there, done that, but it's nothing to take lightly, driving a long distance)

Feel free to call me if you have my number, as I've got nothing but road ahead for a long while, and plenty of rollover minutes!

Blessings on all of you.

Liz

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Have a safe trip Liz!

sending love and blessings your way,

Pelle

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Liz,

Vaya con Dios, you bright, fierce light.  I hope that you and that rascally boyfriend of yours have the time of your lives.  I know that road.  It is intense from Portland on to V.  May the traffic accomodate your safety.

best,
Michael

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Oh girl, I will try to give you a call as the light fades …

Are you armed with Marlboros?

Blessings and goddesspeed (but not too fast) on your journey.
And have fun (yes, too much fun), you two.

Love,
Mary

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Please, please, please—-Be safe, have a great time,  and stop referencing tobacco products!!!  Yeah —-I'm jonesing!
Mother in me repeats–BE SAFE
Integral part–HAVE FUN!!!!
Chris

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Chris implored: stop referencing tobacco products!!!  Yeah –I'm jonesing!

Sorry, Chris! Neither Liz nor I are real smokers, but the evil tobacco can provide a lift while driving long distances. (And when Liz and I see each other, we usually manage to have a cigarette or two together. We know we baaaad.)

Mary

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Liz is on her way, wheeeeeeeeeee!

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Remember, Arthur, no sex.

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Fear not, our God of Restraint,

We will be playing pinochle all weekend.

Liz

BTW, Arthur nearly DIED of mirth when he read that, and I got to hear it on the road!

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Restraint? Oh my.

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I meant “master of restraint” as in, “Tie me up, oh, my Master” not like in the boring way that no doubt occurred to you.

Bwahahaha!!!!

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That's much better. Thank you. But I knew what you meant and it won't be forgotten. Nor forgiven. Bwahahahahahaha!

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Michael, Mary, Pelle, Chris, Ramsses:

I had the most amazing trip today. I felt charmed the entire way. Tons of cops out there, probably ten times as many as any other time, and I seemed to have a sense of when to drive fast and not to. I was invincible. Drunk drivers and crazy people and morons, oh my.

None of them could touch me. I was in a magic bubble.

I made it to Vancouver in record time: less than the Google ideal of 14 hours!

I know this is magical thinking (don't tell Julian) but it felt like you guys cushioned my way.

No back pain at all, now that's supernatural.

Liz

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Thanks again, anyone who helped me on my trip yesterday. I am so grateful for this life I have, in so many ways.

Not much sleep last night (we were not playing Pinochle, but we did have a few beers and collapse into exhausted sleep-get your minds out of the gutters!) So this morning I'm thanking God and Mother England for Earl Grey tea. Tiki will probably tell me it's some other country's invention, to which I say, “Thank God for English imperialism and all it's brought us.” God Save The Queen.

One of the reaasons I love driving to Vancouver (or anywhere long distance for that matter) is that it really affords time to adjust to the difference. When you fly somewhere, you rip your body from one point in space/time and plop it down in another. I've been thinking it takes your subtle bodies time to catch up, as it leaves one so disoriented. Driving lets me see the signs, one by one, see the change in the climate–first drops of rain hit my windsheild just as I read the sign “Welcome to Vancouver.” I kid you not. It lets me appreciate the real distance, and it gives me so much delicious time alone. I find I have insights I just don't get when my mind is working feverishly on managing my daily life.

Liz

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Liz wrote: It lets me appreciate the real distance, and it gives me so much delicious time alone. I find I have insights I just don't get when my mind is working feverishly on managing my daily life.

Exactly!

When I drove from California to Kansas and back last fall, it occurred to me that solitary long distance driving can be a form of “active” contemplation …

A retreat-on-wheels.

(Riding the train across country used to seem contemplative to me too, back when the railroad tracks were in better shape. Now they're pretty frightening.)

Anyway, I much prefer driving / riding to flying, and  (weather permitting) will always choose the long road if I can spare the time.

Mary

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Liz:
I know this is magical thinking (don't tell Julian) but it felt like you guys cushioned my way.

Prayer and intention works, even across continents (don't tell Julian ;))

Pelle

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Speaking of prayer intentions ….

I am posting this at 10:15 p.m. (USP) but assume it will be read in the morning by most or whoever   …

Tests came back late tonight, baby's lungs are mature, so it's a go for today, Wednesday, 3/21 (first day of spring!)- as in, Katie will be put into induced labor and baby will be born today (wed. 3/21, etc.)

Please, please, please keep her in your prayers and that all goes well and she is safe.

I thank you all, we thank you all, we love you all.

Peace and thanks again,

Your pal,

Tim

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Tim,

Blessings upon you and your family and wishes for healthy cries of joy all round.

best,
Michael

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ommatrimuyesaleduommatrimuyesaleduommatrimuyesaledu
ommatrimuyesaleduommatrimuyesaleduommatrimuyesaledu
ommatrimuyesaleduommatrimuyesaleduommatrimuyesaledu…

A rain of blessings on your wife and child, dear Tim, and prayers for all of your well being.

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Lifting this day of birth in prayer, Tim!

And may the blessings of St. Gerard and St. Margaret (patron saints of expectant mothers and childbirth) pour down on you and yours …

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Tim,
You and your family are in my prayers.
Love and light,
Chris

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*********  Sending prayers for the beautiful new baby emerging into the fold of your family and Our Family *********

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Just a thought away