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  maryw : ponderer

Pray for Ken ...

maryw said Dec 6, 2006, 1:18 PM:

 

 …. whose health is suffering right now, according to Nomali's ISC post here –http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/16007/ShowThread.aspx#16007

 

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Jimbo [no longer around] said Dec 6, 2006, 3:12 PM:

 

Amen!

  Mascha : drop

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Mascha said Dec 6, 2006, 3:45 PM:

 

I love, love, love this guy. I don’t care if anyone else thinks he’s wrong, flawed, whatever. ..Kenji, you dazzling, unfathomably huge, great, wide and all-inclusive American Buddha, I want you to have the best freakin’ high time while you’re still on earth! Do you hear? You must be healed and whole and bouncing along full steam ahead.

Wilder prayers for Wilber, my Man!

  adastra : Curious Mutant

Re: Pray for Ken ...

adastra said Dec 6, 2006, 4:00 PM:

 

While recognizing that Ken is just as human as any of the rest of us (as his health problems unfortunately illustrate) I have endless gratitude for how his vision has inspired and informed my life.  His work and what flows from it have changed my life for the better, and I am amazed that he shares as much with us as he does.  Words are not adequate to express how much love, respect, even awe I feel for him.  I send prayers and metta to you, Ken Wilber.

Maryw, thanks for starting this thread.

arthur

  Monica : >

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Monica said Dec 6, 2006, 4:46 PM:

 

Sending boundless love and  healing thoughts to you Ken, dear teacher.

Love,
Monica

  adastra : Curious Mutant

Re: Pray for Ken ...

adastra said Dec 6, 2006, 5:48 PM:

 

In the spirit of “laughter is the best medicine” I re-post (from one of the IN forums) the following:

I think it's time to revisit the practice - first developed on the original forum - of Okendo, a focused tantric meditation in which sexual energies/orgasms are used to facilitate healing and sustaining Ken Wilber.  Okendo has been a core aspect of my ILP for some time now and I encourage others to come on board as well.  Please see Jana/Plasmafly's Pray for Ken thread for an explication of this practice, particularly this post in which the term/practice of Okendo proper was born. 

Well, why don't I just duplicate that particular post here?  This is me responding to Jana:

Kenantra, KWorgonathon, Kensex, Kenorgy,
I think I like Kenorgy best.


Kenorgy is pretty good, especially if pronounced in a way that makes it resonate with “synergy.”

I propose the following two terms: “Kendalini Yoga” and “Okendo” - the first one seems pretty obvious but I'd better explain the genesis of the second one a bit more.

“Okendo” or “Ohkendo” is derived from the acronym “Orgasmic Healing for KEN” (OH KEN) but has been modified to make it sound more like a martial art. The advantage of this is that it sounds like a mysterious and powerful practice (as indeed it is), and can be easily listed as part of your ILP. However, if someone asks you about it, I recommend that you adopt a mysterious air and simply say that it is a part of the “occult teachings of Integral Spirituality” or something to that effect. If the person is persistent/attractive enough you may eventually be persuaded to initiate them into the sacred mysteries of Okendo.

Liz and I will of course be doing all we can - now get to work, people! You've got Kendalini and Okendo to practice!

arthur

  Liz : deLizious

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Liz said Dec 6, 2006, 6:58 PM:

 

Ken is in the ICU. Keep those prayers coming, folks. I wish we were all together. I'm trying not to cry at work.

Liz

  ~C4Chaos : (hyper)linker

Re: Pray for Ken ...

~C4Chaos said Dec 6, 2006, 7:18 PM:

 

thanks for letting us know.



i'm lighting these digital candles and sending my prayers.
hang on Ken…

  ~Matthew : Youthful Maturity

Re: Pray for Ken ...

~Matthew said Dec 6, 2006, 7:34 PM:

 

All my Love and Prayers, to you, KW.  Get well soon!

 

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Peggy J [no longer around] said Dec 6, 2006, 8:09 PM:

 

HeartsHeartsBeautiful Heart
*********LOVE**********           Hugs, Hearts, & Loving prayers to you Ken, my inspiration!

  Lauren : mammal

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Lauren said Dec 6, 2006, 8:25 PM:

 

much love to you, Ken.

  Lauren : mammal

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Lauren said Dec 6, 2006, 8:28 PM:

 

Liz, do you know where more information and updates can be found?

I'd like to let our local meetup group know and give them a link to turn to…

  Liz : deLizious

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Liz said Dec 6, 2006, 8:49 PM:

 

I got my info at the Integral Naked site, from Nomali.

http://multiplex.integralinstitute.org/Public/cs/forums/thread/2663.aspx

Liz

 

Re: Pray for Ken ...

blaine [no longer around] said Dec 6, 2006, 8:42 PM:

 

Dearest Bodhisattva Ken, may the blessings of more than all the atoms in a quintillion universes in each of the ten directions be yours… much love and much strength.  Blaine

  adastra : Curious Mutant

Re: Pray for Ken ...

adastra said Dec 6, 2006, 9:39 PM:

 

Hi everybody

I just heard from Nomali that Ken has been unconscious for many hours now, and the doctors don't know what's wrong, which isn't reassuring.  My heart is feeling very heavy right now.  Please send all the love and energy you can to Ken.

love to all
arthur

  Nomali : IntegralSpiritualChocolate

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nomali said Dec 6, 2006, 10:21 PM:

 

Dearest friends,

I have just received this email. Ken is in a very serious condition but in very good hands. I do not know if it is ok to post this here but i see the love and care that is pouring in from everywhere and i think that it is ok to copy his email here. First of all, to everybody on the Zaadz thread and Multiplex thread - thank you all SO VERY MUCH. Your love and healing energy is I AM SURE making a difference. I have complete faith that Ken is going to be well again.

Prayers and Blessings,

Nomali


Email from Colin-

—–Original Message—–
From: Colin Bigelow
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:12 PM
To: IUhosts; Colleagues; Staff
Subject: RE: Ken


Hello Friends,


Ken is in stable condition at a local Denver hospital.  It's difficult to explain more about what happened today, but a whole team of wonderful doctors are working with Ken, and he's in very good hands.  Roger Walsh was even good enough to fly out today, and we're very grateful to have him here.


Once we gain a better understanding of the overall situation and run a few tests, we will be sure to let you all know.  It appears that the situation is extremely serious, but not catastrophically so.  Again, we will let you all know as soon as new information becomes available. 


Please hold Ken in your Heart, Mind, Soul, and Spirit….


Love,


Colin   




Colin Bigelow

Personal Assistant to Ken Wilber

Integral Institute

  Nomali : IntegralSpiritualChocolate

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nomali said Dec 6, 2006, 10:42 PM:

 

I also want to say Thank you to so many of you who have been lighting candles HERE for Ken and those who are helping him.

Ken WILL get all these messages and candles from you all.

Deep bow,
Nomali

 

Re: Pray for Ken ...

RJ [no longer around] said Dec 6, 2006, 11:11 PM:

 

Dearest Ken, you're in my prayers. 

I'm throwing my all of my Love into you.

Hang in there.

Thank you, Nomali, for the updates. Big hugs to everyone out there.

  Nancy : Lifelong Learner

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nancy said Dec 7, 2006, 3:43 AM:

 


I am sending love and and prayers to you, Ken….

om mani padme hung.

Nancy

  adastra : Curious Mutant

Re: Pray for Ken ...

adastra said Dec 7, 2006, 6:33 AM:

 

Hi Nomali

Thank you so much for the updates, and for linking to the candle thread.  I just lit several candles for Ken, and it feels good to take a “tangible” action, even as simple a thing as setting alight a virtual candle and sending love and prayers with it…I guess it's the ritual element.  I recommend lighting candles, it's a good thing.

arthur

  chris : Cerebral Potter

Re: Pray for Ken ...

chris said Dec 7, 2006, 5:56 AM:

 

from “One Taste”:

“I am timeless
in essence I am all
the lines in my face
are cracks in the cosmic egg
supernovas swirl in my heart
galaxies pulse through my veins
stars light up the neurons of my night”

Much Peace, Love and Healing to All,
Chris

  Keith : geomechanic

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Keith said Dec 7, 2006, 8:37 AM:

 

I posted a Hafiz excerpt the other day here.  It has some of my favorite instructions for prayer.  What seems to me to be most important is to pray from a place of joy.  I know how hard that can be when we are all programmed to feel like crap when someone is in real trouble, but think of this quote and it might make sense: “You can't feel bad enough to make me feel good.”  In other words, the better you feel, the more empowered you are to make me feel good. So, I say, God Bless Ken, well-body or not.  We rise together in prayer and dance and laugh at the pain we pretend to feel.   When I pray for Ken, I will be smiling and thanking him for greeting me in the temple.  There he is.  His indestructible Self is smiling too.

Love and prayers,

Keith

  Liz : deLizious

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Liz said Dec 7, 2006, 11:18 AM:

 

Thanks for this post, Keith. I've been thinking about some pretty grim stuff these past few days, not just about Ken but about my whole life and relationship to it.

I've felt so selfish to be sad about this–really, I've been worried about how I feel most of all. But I couldn't think of a way to turn it around and make it something helpful to Ken and everyone. I want to be putting out that positive energy.

So many of us treat our bodies as if they're somehow endlessly renewable resources, while hating them at the same time, as something other than ourselves, something taken completely for granted. Over-indulging, not giving it enough rest or exercise, not loving our bodies the way that we are intended to.

And there is Ken, doing everything in his power to keep his going. The King of the ILP, brought down low by his own body attacking itself. The irony is so palpable, it feels like a badly written book–hitting us over the head with the idea.

So here's my idea. I'm going to get a whole lot more serious about taking care of my body. Really loving it every day, as if I'm taking care of my own child or Ken Wilber. What wouldn't I do for them? I will do these things for my body, in honor of Ken and of everyone. I will take good care of myself so that I can further integral awareness and be with my loved ones as long as possible in the most healthy way, for this is the foundation upon which all the other holons in my life depend.

I can never, ever thank Ken enough with words, so I'm going to have to put a lot more of myself into it than that. Bless you, Ken, for showing us through your example.

Liz

  maryw : ponderer

Re: Pray for Ken ...

maryw said Dec 7, 2006, 11:28 AM:

 

Beautiful advice, Keith!

Although I do believe it's healthy and honest to express – to the Spirit – feelings of pain and anxiety in prayer, I think it is good to mix the groaning with gratitude and light.

Today is a bright, incredibly clear, sunny day in southern California. In my heart, I am sending that sun and that warmth to Ken – and to you all …

Love,
Mary

  Nomali : IntegralSpiritualChocolate

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nomali said Dec 7, 2006, 11:40 AM:

 

 

Dear Friends,


I have talked to Colin today and the good news is that Ken's condition has not worsened. I am choosing to embrace that fully as good news while holding gently and firmly the fact that the condition has also not improved.


let us be together at this time.


I thank you all for your prayer, kindness, dignity and integrity.


Maybe I will have more updates in the evening…


Love to you all,

Nomali

  Paulfonzo : Educator, Composer, Writer, Speaker

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Paulfonzo said Dec 7, 2006, 11:58 AM:

 

Nomali,

Thanks for the updates, here's lending energy to Ken's healing.

In the Spirit of the Season,

Paul H.

  aeryck : Seeking the Unseekable

Re: Pray for Ken ...

aeryck said Dec 7, 2006, 3:57 PM:

 

I am hoping and praying for Ken's recovery.  He is obviously an incredible human being, and has given so much and worked so hard.  His work and his being have totally transformed my life.  I hope we are given the gift of his continued work for many years to come, but mostly I hope that Ken gets to live a happy life that isn't continually sabotaged by his health issues.

Ever since I had my literally life-altering dream about Ken, his work, and his impending death (in the dream, mind-you), I have realized that it is up to me, you, and us to take what we have learned and *do something* with it.  It's not enough to study his work.  It's not enough to have Ken as a hero.  It's not enough to discuss his theories in like-minded communities.  I hope we all take this opportunity to think about what Ken's impermanence means to us, and how we can contribute to this Integral movement.

That being said, I'm extremely fucking sad right now and am holding Ken in my thoughts.  May he recover and be well soon. 

With a heavy and hopeful heart,
Aeryck

  Liz : Intersection Princess

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Liz said Dec 7, 2006, 4:06 PM:

 

Just checking for news before I go to bed. Thanks Nomali for sharing what information you have.
Hopefully tomorrow will bring better news.
Goodnight all
Liz

  Nomali : IntegralSpiritualChocolate

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nomali said Dec 7, 2006, 11:29 PM:

 

Hello dear friends,

I have talked to Colin and Dr. Roger Walsh. Ken has had some more tests done today. He is still in serious but stable condition and very loving hands.

We continue to send you our love and prayers.

Much Love
Nomali @ ISC

  Nomali : IntegralSpiritualChocolate

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nomali said Dec 7, 2006, 11:39 PM:

 

Hi All,
Please read www.kenwilber.com blog page tomorrow morning for an update from Colin.
Thanks
Nomali @ ISC

  Nomali : IntegralSpiritualChocolate

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nomali said Dec 8, 2006, 7:56 AM:

 

This has been posted by Colin on KW.com.

:-)

Nomz

  adastra : Curious Mutant

Re: Pray for Ken ...

adastra said Dec 8, 2006, 7:58 AM:

 

Dang - I still can't read that blog because I don't have the very latest version of flash media.  Once I get to work I'll be able to read it, but I don't work Saturday or Sunday.  Would someone mind quoting here whatever appears on the blog?  And/or link to the actual blog entry - my browser can accept a link, but I can't get past the “you need to upgrade flash” if I go to the main page.

arthur

  Liz : deLizious

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Liz said Dec 8, 2006, 7:59 AM:

 

Here you go:

Ken's Health
December 08, 2006 03:00

Dear Friends,

Early Wednesday morning Ken was admitted to a local hospital for repeated seizures and an abnormal cardiac pattern.  Ken is currently in stable condition in the Intensive Care Unit.   

Ken does not have a history of seizures, and there was zero warning that something was about to go wrong.  In fact, Ken had a fantastic day Tuesday, writing all morning and then meeting with several folks at the loft.

Doctors believe that they understand why these seizures occurred, and the good news is that it's nothing intrinsically wrong with Ken's physical well-being.  In other words, we have strong reason to believe we can avoid these in the future.

Ken has been sedated since admission to the hospital in order to help prevent additional seizures, and doctors are planning on slowly backing off the sedative in the next day or so.

This is clearly an extremely serious situation, but it does not appear life-threatening, and according to the lead doctor at the hospital, she has no reason to believe that any of these conditions are irreversible. 

If you would like to express support for Ken, please pray, do tonglen, or simply hold him in heart and mind with loving-kindness.  Ken has always said that these practices work wonders, for both giver and receiver, and all of your love and care will be deeply appreciated by him.

Please do not send flowers; if even a dozen kind souls send flowers, the doctors will have no space to work.  And naturally, please do not try and visit Ken in the hospital.  Ken is in Intensive Care, and only family or extremely close ties are allowed in, nor is the hospital allowed to disclose that Ken is a patient there.

For the time being, I will be posting short updates on Ken's condition daily.  As might be expected, we are looking at days and weeks in terms of recovery, but even just 48 hours after all of this started, recovery does indeed appear to be the path we've already begun.

Please, friends, walk with Ken on this path.  Lift him with your heart, touch him with your mind, bless him with your soul, liberate him with your spirit.  He will feel you, and you will feel him, and this miracle of we shall embrace us all, radiantly erupting as the bliss-agony of One Heart pulsing in so many bodies.  Ken is nearer to you than your own skin; feel him with reckless abandon.  Nourish this precious body of our beloved friend with all the love available to you.  Let that love open you to infinity….

Prajnaparamita,

Colin

  adastra : Curious Mutant

Re: Pray for Ken ...

adastra said Dec 8, 2006, 8:36 AM:

 

Thank you, Liz.  This is good news.  :)  I continue to pray and do metta for Ken.

arthur

  timelody : Integral Artis Dramatis Musica

Re: Pray for Ken ...

timelody said Dec 8, 2006, 9:25 AM:

 

That was very nice and thoughful of you Liz to post on the I-I boards for those with tech issues … you guys are still alays on top of things ( :-) )

This is still very difficult to read though … . not fun …

Prayers …

  Liz : deLizious

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Liz said Dec 8, 2006, 9:38 AM:

 

No kidding, Tim. This has been a horrible week for me and so many people.

Always with the growth opportunities! Feh!

Liz

  timelody : Integral Artis Dramatis Musica

Re: Pray for Ken ...

timelody said Dec 8, 2006, 11:01 AM:

 

Don't you think one of the lessons here -at least as far as I am seeing it-is the connection of the collective shared interiors, and how either difficulties (or in happier times inspirations) just systemically branch out and touch and affect all involved? Sorry if I am putting that too theoretically, but

there is no question that we were all -or so many of us-affected in some sort of real, deep and substantial way by the whole forum/spam debacle (and maybe even just a whole collective and gradual “forum death”) and there is no question that this was related to major difficulties occuring “inside” (and literally inside) of I-I. Things come through the space like waves that deeply affect the entire collective. I hesitate to use the ripples analogy becasue it is so cliche but that is exactly what it is. Deep waves and ripples that we might not even be conscious of. And yet where it starts nobody knows. It is only certain that something is moving and we are all affected by it.

And then now this and we are all affected even much more deeply and-finally-consciously.

It's just all the many ways we touch and the sometimes tragic miracle called “we.”

I guess what I am trying to say is that there has been quite an UN-conscious collective struggle occuring, or at least a “what's going on?” thing happening happening in interiors and being expressed in many ways. I have felt it for MONTHS! and as I think you have been implying, in ways that are seeminlgy unrelated

And in retrospect, the timing is very much in relation to what we now know as the advent of internal struggles within our collective epicenter here, I-I.

And now?

Is this a collective opportunity/wake-up-call to turn it all around?

I think we can … . and beginning with just little, little bits of love, care and concern … . once again rippling back out from all … . Hence, like your little gesture to make sure everyone could read the latest blog.

Cool.

Prayers …

  maryw : ponderer

Re: Pray for Ken ...

maryw said Dec 8, 2006, 11:22 AM:

 

Tim wrote: Don't you think one of the lessons here -at least as far as I am seeing it-is the connection of the collective shared interiors, and how either difficulties (or in happier times inspirations) just systemically branch out and touch and affect all involved?

So true, Tim! And thank you for your post, for putting it all into words …

  Nomali : IntegralSpiritualChocolate

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nomali said Dec 8, 2006, 12:27 PM:

 

 

Dear Timelody,

Your insight above is very accurate. There was SO much going on - and will continue to in many ways - and so little that we could actually publicly announce. It still breaks my heart at what happened in the forums, at II, between all of us and wanting to help and being helpless and trying to hold it all together and drop it all too. So much truth in what is being said across the blog world and also, so much distortion - by those inside II and outside, still here or departed. No time in the short history of II has so much gone on and very little anyone could intelligently do about it all.

Right now, it is Ken's health that matters. All of your love and support is INCREDIBLE. Please let us not lose faith and hope. I very nearly did - i mean with, II. But I am still here.

STILL HERE, PRAYING and WANTING YOU ALL!

Much Love
Nomali

  Liz : deLizious

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Liz said Dec 8, 2006, 12:31 PM:

 

Indeed, Nomali, if not for you, I probably would have quit I-I entirely by now.

Tim–There are other ideas in my head not quite formulated, but I'll bring it up on another thread when I do formulate them.

Liz

  marigpa : bodhi fractal

Re: Pray for Ken ...

marigpa said Dec 8, 2006, 12:18 PM:

 

With Vajra Body, Voice and Mind conjoined

I pray to and exhort the Supreme Protectress

Arya Tara, mother of all Buddhas,

To hold our dear Ken in her compassionate embrace

Hold him safe for the benefit of all sentient beings

Om tare tuttare ture svaha

  jasonhughes : Doctor of Jest

Re: Pray for Ken ...

jasonhughes said Dec 8, 2006, 12:47 PM:

 

Dearest teacher….

Iam through you so I
and for that I bow in gratitiude.
your light has let a thousand I-I's see
both their light and shadow

And now…
you lay in limbo
and I wonder who I feel more pain for…
you, I, we

Not yet dear teacher.
Not yet…

Their is work to be done.

Big Heart Aches…

  adastra : Curious Mutant

Re: Pray for Ken ...

adastra said Dec 8, 2006, 1:22 PM:

 

This lovely message has just been posted in the ISC Editor's Weekly Blog

 

Prayers for a teacher…


New this week on ISC……


Brother David Steindl-Rast at Integral Contemplative Christianity Seminar


Fierce Grace from Elizabeth Lesser@ ISC


Still to come this week - Interview with Swami Sally Kempton




Beloved Friends,


Your prayers, loving care and concern pouring in from all corners of the world for Ken Wilber are beyond us, divine and precious.  We just cannot thank you enough. Your being right here with Ken at this time when his health has been hit the hardest is a pillar of strength to Ken, those who are closely caring for him, and all of us at Integral Institute. The chain of prayers that continues to build here in the Multiplex, and II-Zaadz is the good, true and beautiful shining through you at its best. Our dear friend Colin also will bring you updates here.


We would also love to take a moment here to thanks Brother David's Light a Candle feature on his website http://www.gratefulness.org/ which has allowed for so many to pray and contemplate in one place. Arthur, one of our dear members said ”Thank you so much for linking to the candle thread.  I just lit several candles for Ken, and it feels good to take a “tangible” action, even as simple a thing as setting alight a virtual candle and sending love and prayers with it…I guess it's the ritual element.  I recommend lighting candles, it's a good thing.” Thank you all so much for holding this beautiful vigil. It has now become a daily practice for several of us. What brilliant use of technology! (If you would like to light candles, please see here)


Dearest Ken, Colin, Becca, Ken's family/close friends, Dr. Roger Walsh, all others doctors, nurses who have been taking care of Ken and all sentient beings in need of the wealth of good health, we pray, we pray, we pray…


On another note, keep your eyes and ears open - Stuart & Marcy Davis are just about to have their second little bundle of joy. Any time now, guys! We saw them yesterday with soon-to-be big sister Arabelle and they are all simply glowing and radiant as ever.


So much Love to you All,

Deep Gratitude,

Nomali and Rollie @ ISC


PS- I made a very difficult demand of Rollie Stanich recently. I think it is time his yellow shirt here is given away. What do you think? Am i right or am I right?

Published Friday, December 08, 2006 7:52 PM by perera

  timelody : Integral Artis Dramatis Musica

Re: Pray for Ken ...

timelody said Dec 8, 2006, 2:33 PM:

 

What a beautiful message and a ray of hope …

I hope this is appropriate to post here now - one might want to bask in the beauty of the above message for a while before moving on to this -but I wrote it in response to Nomali above whose message seemed to give me an opportunityto put words to something I have been desperatley wanting to say… so here it is …

Nomali wrote:
  

Dear Timelody,

Your insight above is very accurate. There was SO much going on - and will continue to in many ways - and so little that we could actually publicly announce. It still breaks my heart at what happened in the forums, at II, between all of us and wanting to help and being helpless and trying to hold it all together and drop it all too. So much truth in what is being said across the blog world and also, so much distortion - by those inside II and outside, still here or departed. No time in the short history of II has so much gone on and very little anyone could intelligently do about it all.

Right now, it is Ken's health that matters. All of your love and support is INCREDIBLE. Please let us not lose faith and hope. I very nearly did - i mean with, II. But I am still here.

STILL HERE, PRAYING and WANTING YOU ALL!

Much Love
Nomali




It is cliché to say that it is the little things that matter, but again, just as with the ripples above, it is also true. And also very powerful. After all, oaks grow from acorns, Buddha's and Christ's come forth from microscopic organisms and those from subatomic molecules and atoms and even those from absolute Emptiness …


But Nomali, Liz is correct-or her sentiment is surely shared by many others-that just your little messages over these last few months have been enough; acting like a powerful glue, little by little, ever so softly and powerfully, holding major parts of this community STILL together.


I felt the same way this morning when I woke up and was somehow just so profoundly touched by the fact that Liz did something so incredibly little and somehow incredibly powerful too. Because Arthur had a problem with the blog, she posted it for all or for anyone else who might experience the same problem. Once again, just a little powerful love-glue, that is going to stretch for miles and eons in holding something magnificent and beautiful and new, and good and true -together.


The thing is that we have here, now, an opportunity. And in a very real way the timing of certain things has been -or is, in fact- perfect.


The opportunity is to, while we have the chance, simply stop, and observe the weather.



There is a storm brewing… . it is not only creeping on the horizon, but has already given its first signs; a little sprinkle shower that almost got out of control very quickly … but it is being held back … for the moment.


(And I might add, largely it is being held back Nomali, once again, because of you!)


Held back, for the moment, but there can be no doubt that it is waiting there, to erupt, quickly, spiral out of control and bring us all once again on a lovely trip into the depths of endless acid rain in useless complaint ridden, shadow entwined, no good, gossipy useless hell; a Seventh Circle no longer constrained to one small tiny place, nor to mostlybits of humor, but now overtaking the entire community in its wild abandon, showering us all with its magnanimous 'love' …

Or simply, a new and massive storm awaits its opportunity to make it's home is our shared collective interiors, and ultimately to no one's benefit.


And we have the chance to diffuse it and exhaust it, obliterate its potential - now. We have the opportunity to cease the storm before it arrives, and turn it into something useful. Something Good and True and Beautiful. Something for which all of us are in truth all really after and interested in here in this community, in this shared collective, in the first place.


It is, of course, sadly unrealistic that all involved in the collective cultural-interior holon would or will actually listen to or see the truth in such a sentiment. Or realize such on their own, or even, sadly, be capable of realizing what I am saying. That needn't really be an insult, but put another way, it is unrealistic to believe that there will be no storm, and no storm lovers waiting and foaming at the mouth to finally join in on all the suffering fun and bask in participation in the lovely, surely coming, acid rain. Most sad of all, many of whom who will believe that they are truly doing something good -while they aren't or wont be. Just further useless firewires dragging the shared space into compounded samsara by their -however normal and natural and understandable and compassion worthy-inability to be conscious of what it is that they are actually doing.


But at the same time I know that there are already those out there who consciously know what I am saying, and many more, I think right here on this thread and already within earshot-those who I am most interested in reaching with whatever single small voice I can in most passionate humility, service and surrender, muster-who will get it, with just the slightest prompting.


Another shit-storm, another torrential vomit, snot and diarrhea tsunami filling the integral we-space and sending it spinning into a collasal toilet-as I am sure those who would get what I am saying surely must know is coming, is going to do nothing but once again choke and gag the emerging, aspiring integral community

- and this time, I fear, even worse than it ever has before. This time, it might kill it.


An emerging conscious and consciousness collective may die … That is, it seems right now and I don't think I am being overly-dramatic, a very real possibility (especially considering that it has almost already happened!)… and all for what and why? 

… . unless we realize it before it happens.


At which point, the torrential manure will or may or can potentially become the richest fertilizer yet for this our truly sincere and collective garden. A real one, not a metaphor …


We have an opportunity, in the real-time flow and progression of ever-passing time … to make this not happen … and to make what we are really interested in actually happen.


I, as one small member of this community, do hereby humbly beg all of you and any who will listen, to hear and stop and see-consciously realize- this pause before the coming storm  … as an opportunity … for consciousness, Awakeness, for Genuine Growth.

(WARNING: the following may be a bit powerful, but it truly does come from my Heart)


If Ken Wilber dies what will we be left with and what will we make of all that has happened and what will we make of what happens next?


So too, if Ken should ever regain consciousness-and you know that we hope and pray that he will … what will be waiting to greet this consciousness? What will be waiting to greet  the real I-I -OUR OWN real I-I- when the epicenter of this shared togetherness of consciousness, the catalyst that, sure, may not “own” it, but also sure as fuck brought us all together here now- what will be waiting to greet him? Consciousness and aspiration? Or a shit storm?


Hero or not , human being or not, man or not, piece of garbage jerk bad leader or not … who will be responsible for one more horrendous thorn piercing the Heart of the world or one more truly beautiful, hopeful, life-giving and uplifting flower?


I am vying for the latter … and that is where all of my prayers are going …  and at this moment, all of my energy. Metaphors aside, I am vying for this in a very real and hopful and practical way.


Namoli, Liz, Mary, Arthur and all, on the day that we seemed to finally get some response from inside I-I on the spamming issue and so on, I wanted to respond in a certain way but I just did not feel it would be appropriate at the time. I could hear the struggle in Corey's post and the struggles that surely must have been going on inside I-I and causing all of us pain in so many ways -and as you say Nomali, in so many ways, also the struggle to FIND A WAY OUT!


And this moment now is our opportunity. All of us. Or at least those who will listen.

I wanted to send a message of hope, because there is ALWAYS hope, but I though it would not work at the time. It would be inappropriate and would even come off as an attempt to brownnose or be a falsely positive weasely sycophant jumping on an opportunity to “get in good' with I-I 9at the wrong and suffering moment) …


But none the less that did not change the sentiment.


And then this arrived in my email box, expressing perfectly the sentiment, but I have sat on it and simply saved it until now. Here is the message that may indeed have been intended to reach us all,… from Shambhala's Ocean of Dharma weekly email series … (emphasis mine)


November 16, 2006


PATIENCE WITH CLARITY


“Patience, ksanti in Sanskrit, is usually taken to mean forbearance and the calm endurance of pain and hardship. But in fact, it means rather more than that. It is forbearing in the sense of seeing the situation and seeing that it is right to forbear and to develop patience. So ksanti has an aspect of intelligence, in contrast, one might say, to an animal loaded with baggage which must go on and on walking along the track until it just drops dead. That kind of patience is patience without wisdom, without clarity. Here we are referring to patience with clarity, and energy with the eye of understanding.”


From “Patience,” in MEDITATION IN ACTION, the Shambhala Pocket Classic Edition, page 85.


We have an opportunity.

As my own Enlightened Bodhisattva teacher, a friend and student of Trungpa (whose quote that is above) used to say

“You have a right NOT to be negative.”


Let us all begin to seize that right, right now, and our opportunity; this blessed, blessed, blessed opportunity, come what may  -NOW.


Peace and Love and Love and Love,


Tim

 … and hoping this all makes sense and might have some bit of meaning to anybody else …Sorry if this might have sounded like  sermon …

Peace

  Nomali : IntegralSpiritualChocolate

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nomali said Dec 8, 2006, 9:37 PM:

 

Timelody, dear friend,
i am in tears.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for every single word you have taken such care to write. You have, i am sure, inspired us all. ALL of you, have profoundly touched my heart and the heart of Ken and II. 

I have to be honest. I am so touched, i don't even know what to write.
I fall to my knees over and over again.
For you, for us…this miracle of We.
-nomali

  Liz : Intersection Princess

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Liz said Dec 9, 2006, 1:42 AM:

 

Nomali,

Thank you for all you have done to keep everyone informed. Tim is right, you are acting like the glue our we space so sorely needed, I only wish there had been a different opportunity for the strengths in this community to come through.

Sometimes it takes a crisis to help us all see what is really important.

Does anyone else remember as a little kid, praying on a bargaining way, sort of “Please God, give me this one thing and I'll either (option 1) do something good and virtuous from here on, or (option2), I'll never do X again so long as I live (option 3) never ask for another favour again ?If it really worked like that, we have a lot to trade……..collectively.

Huge appreciation for all you and Colin are doing for us in the midst of your own difficult week. Continued prayers for Ken.

love
Liz

  Nancy : Lifelong Learner

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nancy said Dec 9, 2006, 5:10 AM:

 

Tim,

Thank you for this post.  I have watched myself shift among several perspectives over the past several weeks (months/years):  challenged and excited by the potential of II and the community and forums; attached to the primary players and connectors in the forums; concerned about the legitimate issues raised and the ensuing deep frustrations; and yes, intrigued and entertained by the daily unfolding drama…

and now I am saddened that I am not doing more to help bring/keep this precious, very young organization vibrant and moving forward.   Thank you for letting me/us see a bit more of the picture….this is a precious moment in the life of II.  We have an opportunity as others have said.  Let's use it.

I have worked in and been a part of many different kinds of organizations and communities.  There are always challenges and tensions and growing pains.  Its so easy to sit back and criticize, to trash the ones who took the lead to move forward.  We called this “trashing” in the earlier days of the womens movement.   Everyone wanted a strong movement, but as soon as one or a few women came together to make new strides publicly, some elements of he community would begin to cirticize and tear them down – trashing.  

 Who should know this better than all of us, who study the AQAL model, understand and live the experience of developing through the spiral, dealing with the shadows that arise, always, when new ground is taken, etc?  The tension between the visin of a great leader/teacher and the organizational needs that develop as the teacher's vision becomes manifest is very common in spiritula and other communities.  It's a healthy part of development.  Let's let the process work itself through, with the support of the best organizational coaches, management gurus, and mentors we can find, and lets all allow the process to succeed –beyond our wildest expectations.

For my part, I will not demand to know every detail of whats happening inside II for the sake of “transparency”, when a part of me also is fascinated and riveted by the drama.   I urge the new iterim CEO/President to seek the best guidance and support available (and it certainly is available to this community), work with the board, the staff, and with Ken when he is well again, to create an organizational environment that can hold this vision and the people,  and create new forms to bring integral into the world.  I will suspend and my positions, my judgements and allow the organization to move through this time of “breakdown” so it can reach a new transparency, a new breakthrough.  Meanwhile I will participate and not just lurk, I will attend to my own ILP practices, I will reach out to the community for help when I need it, and take my share of responsibility for creating the evolving “we space” in our beloved II community.

My prayers and love go to Ken for his full recovery and freedom from suffering.

Love to you all,
Nancy



      

 

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Jason [no longer around] said Dec 8, 2006, 11:42 PM:

 

I saw The Fountain earlier tonight and damn if that bald Hugh Jackman doesn't look a little like you Ken!
I am praying for a return to good health for you Ken.

 

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Patrick [no longer around] said Dec 9, 2006, 1:48 AM:

 

 He will be in my meditation.

Love to you and thanks for the updates.

Patrick

  Elizabeth : Mirror

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Elizabeth said Dec 9, 2006, 7:07 AM:

 

Ken,

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 

My Heart and prayers are with you.

Elizabeth

  Pelle : focusing

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Pelle said Dec 9, 2006, 8:34 AM:

 

Tim

Thank you for your kick-ass level of insight and clarity, not to mention the outpouring of love. Your presence in the integral we-space is so very important.

Pelle

  timelody : Integral Artis Dramatis Musica

Re: Pray for Ken ...

timelody said Dec 9, 2006, 3:15 PM:

 

Thanks all of you. I had a dream last night that left me with the most wonderful positive feelings this morning that I took to mean-and actually be-some kind of connection with so many or all of the wonderful members of this community. (there were all these friends, it was a gathering in a holy place, etc.) and I woke up with just such wonderful positive feelings about it.  Someone else (Balder) mentioned having a very positive dream as well and I don't know how to take that except as a wonderful sign! and gift. Let us continue to direct all of that love to Ken and those around him, who I am feeling more and more positive that i know will be well.

You hear that Ken?!

Nomali, I really think you have stood as an example of “forbearance becasue you see the situation and see that it is good and right to forebear” (if I quoted that right). So thank you from all of us. ISC is in good hands and good Big Heart!

 

Re: Pray for Ken ...

yosyama [no longer around] said Dec 9, 2006, 6:33 PM:

 

Heart full with wishing for you Ken

  musafir : absentminded philosopher

Re: Pray for Ken ...

musafir said Dec 9, 2006, 10:08 PM:

 

Ken, may the light surface blaze through you again and the fierce brilliance and compassion strike through us again.

The problem I have the critics and people urging transparency is their lack of fresh insights. The day all these people are able to practice, work and provide maps that inspire me, I will take their point of view. I see all of them hiding behind Ken's work, persona and deconstructing them. And for anyone who has worked in large corporations and companies,  the differences that have been highlighted are standard operating proceedures in companies and never result in such catharises. My view is critics in the Integral movement need to work in orange organizations then they will realise the value of clear unambiguous leadership. Microsoft was not built by consensus but management executing the vision of Bill Gates and more by adapting to the Strenghts and weaknesses of  Bill Gates.

I am sure Ken wil return to continue the Sadhana as he as..

  Nancy : Lifelong Learner

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nancy said Dec 10, 2006, 8:19 AM:

 


I just cut and pasted the from I-I (“Ken's Health):  Great news!!

****************************************
Dear Friends,   Ken was taking a prescription medicine known to cause seizures.  He had one.  Don't worry, he will be completely fine.  Sadly, he cannot have visitors, because they're keeping him for a week in the hospital for dialysis.  He sends all of you his love and he says, “Enjoy the vacation, I'm coming back!”   Colin

  timelody : Integral Artis Dramatis Musica

Re: Pray for Ken ...

timelody said Dec 10, 2006, 8:55 AM:

 

Beat me to it Nancy! Still, I'll post it again for emphasis -and I hope/am sure Mark wont mind … .

At about 8 this morning
 

mrksteele:

There's still no update on the blog and nothing here for close to 18 hours, I'm getting worried again.


There are a couple 1000 people in the virtual hospital lobby here who are axiously waiting for any news at all, you know how it is when a loved one is in the ICU and you are stuck in the lobby and would love to know what's going on, time seems to slow to a crawl, I've been there…



Mark 


At about 8:10 this morning!

mrksteele:

Never mind, spoke to soon….. I just saw this on an email list 


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Friends,


Ken was taking a prescription medicine known to cause seizures.  He had one.  Don't worry, he will be completely fine.  Sadly, he cannot have visitors, because they're keeping him for a week in the hospital for dialysis.  He sends all of you his love and he says, “Enjoy the vacation, I'm coming back!”


Colin

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HALLELUJAH!!!

  cree : Further...

Re: Pray for Ken ...

cree said Dec 10, 2006, 1:09 PM:

 

On your feet, Cowboy!
Big Love,
Cori

  Liz : Intersection Princess

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Liz said Dec 10, 2006, 1:33 PM:

 

Wonderful news.
Grateful thanks

Liz

  timelody : Integral Artis Dramatis Musica

Re: Pray for Ken ...

timelody said Dec 10, 2006, 5:21 PM:

 

Liz wrote: Tim-There are other ideas in my head not quite formulated, but I'll bring it up on another thread when I do formulate them.

Liz


Liz and all,

I started a thread on this -the holonic “energy grid” -per your comments …

I think it's an important (if complicated) subject.

Peace, Tim

  Nomali : IntegralSpiritualChocolate

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nomali said Dec 11, 2006, 7:26 AM:

 

Dear, dear Friends, we will send updates soon but Ken is getting better! Yeah!


I have one kind request of you all. Some of you receive emails (official or private) that are sent from Colin, Ken, etc through various lists that they use. I kindly request that they are not posted on the web unless they have already been posted by an II site or KW.com site.

We appreciate your cooperation very much.


Thanks, our dearest friends.

All Love
Nomali

  latitudarian : wide-eyed student

Re: Pray for Ken ...

latitudarian said Dec 11, 2006, 2:36 PM:

 

deep prayers into the great heart mother and in the same breath creating the healing power of perfect evolution.

“what will be
will be well
for what is
is well”
-walt whitman-

 

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Candiace [no longer around] said Dec 12, 2006, 2:56 AM:

 

I also posted about my support and hope for him in a couple of pods.

To Ken:
You have my love and support.  You will be in my thoughts and prayers.  Thank you so much for affecting my life in such a profound and positive way!  I wish you a full and speedy recovery, my friend!!

  Brian : Mystery Unto Self

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Brian said Dec 12, 2006, 4:28 AM:

 

Get better, feel better, beloved teacher and at-heart friend. 

Sending all love from Stockholm,

Brian Levy

  Nomali : IntegralSpiritualChocolate

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nomali said Dec 12, 2006, 4:59 PM:

 


Hello Dear Friends,

Things are looking good. We have information that Ken is out of ICU and beginning to feel much better. It may take a while before 'K-dawg' is back to normal but given how critical things got, it is an amazing and wonderful occasion that he is recovering. In all my time here, he never had to be hospitalized. As Ken often says, “Sheeeeeeesh….!”

I am ever so grateful to you all for walking with Ken, Colin, Becca, everybody at II and each of us around the world during happy and not so happy times. Good health indeed is precious. Your continuing prayers, love, and concern, however, is beyond precious. That is the true miracle of We.

May all  beings be blessed with good health and community.

Love

Nomali

  adastra : Curious Mutant

Re: Pray for Ken ...

adastra said Dec 12, 2006, 6:36 PM:

 

Coolness.  This is the miracle of wheeeeeeeee!  :)

arthur

  maryw : ponderer

Re: Pray for Ken ...

maryw said Dec 12, 2006, 7:15 PM:

 

“This is the miracle of wheeeeeeeee! ”

–Arthur: I can't explain it, but somehow, reading this phrase just made my day!

                                           :-)   :-)    :-)

  adastra : Curious Mutant

Re: Pray for Ken ...

adastra said Dec 13, 2006, 9:33 AM:

 

Glad to hear it, Mary - I'm so glad you're part of my “wheee-space.”  :)

Many of my close friends came into my life through my forum activities, and all of that flows from the BBG setting up Integral Institute.  I have a lot of gratitude for that, for setting up spaces where we could begin to meet and become part of each other's lives. 

And I am so glad that Ken will be hanging out in wheee-space with us for a while (hopefully a long while) longer.  Yippee!

arthur

  Nomali : IntegralSpiritualChocolate

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nomali said Dec 13, 2006, 11:07 AM:

 

During this time of intense emailing, blogging, respecting what is confidential and what is private, I still have a gut feeling that letting you all know a little something about Ken from last night should be ok. I got a kick out of this.
Last night he had craved and made sure he got himself a large chocolate shake! no kiddin.

Thank God for Chocolate!

And we love it that you are getting better, Ken!





  Liz : deLizious

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Liz said Dec 13, 2006, 12:00 PM:

 

Man, I'd love to sit in a room with Ken for an hour and talk about his health and his diet etc….I have this maternal instinct (as you well know, Nomali) that makes me want to go to his house and cook him some chicken soup…

Chocolate shake, indeed. I could smack him. He should be eating organic free-trade high-quality chocolate at times like that, lol!

Anyway, the whole notion that he's eating and better and kicking chocolate shake ass is pretty wonderful.

And I'll be damned if this whole thing hasn't had all kinds of positive effects. I hate that the growth opportunities are so helpful. Couldn't Ken please be the first person not to ever die? Sheesh.

Liz

  ~Matthew : Youthful Maturity

Re: Pray for Ken ...

~Matthew said Dec 13, 2006, 12:13 PM:

 

Liz said, “Couldn't Ken please be the first person not to ever die? Sheesh.”

LOL… and no, he couldn't.  That's a race without a finish line!  There IS no first :)  But I hear ya on that!

  Mascha : drop

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Mascha said Dec 13, 2006, 12:07 PM:

 

Ha ha, chocolate shake… that says a lot. Thanks for the update, Nomali. Now, who is going to keep our visionary from trying to do too much too soon for too many others?

Anybody?

For what it’s worth: Ken,

small & simple is beautiful. Less is Grrreat, okay?

Love,

M

  timelody : Integral Artis Dramatis Musica

Re: Pray for Ken ...

timelody said Dec 13, 2006, 2:21 PM:

 

No Liz, it's times like this that what we really want -nay, what we really NEED-is a good, old fashioned actually-somehow-made-from-plastic, rubbery chocolate shake from McDonald's -the honest way the good Lord ment them to be. :-)

Put some hair on the chest.  Good for character. Make a man outta ya …

  Hawkeye : Architect of Change

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Hawkeye said Dec 13, 2006, 6:38 PM:

 

Thank God

  Liz : deLizious

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Liz said Dec 13, 2006, 6:49 PM:

 

Hmm…not exactly what I'm going for, “Timelady”…

  timelody : Integral Artis Dramatis Musica

Re: Pray for Ken ...

timelody said Dec 13, 2006, 7:47 PM:

 

Hmm. Timelady highly recommends the plastic chocolate shakes. Although, the timelady is not sure which happens exactly: does the plastic help “glue” the LR together, or simply work to eventually purify such a thing by killing it? Timelady will continue to ponder.

Timelody is only know to have either chocolate or a chocolate shake on rare, special occasions (when the moon is in the 7th house and Jupiter eclipses Mars on the night of the blue moon … and when Timelady meets up with Helene.)

Tim Melody, loves that no one can figure out his freaking name. ;-)

Oh, Be wll Ken!

  Liz : deLizious

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Liz said Dec 13, 2006, 7:57 PM:

 

It's ultra-top-secret and I can't tell you more, or I'd have to kill you, but I may just meet Helen soon…I solomon-ly swear I will get plenty of pictures and first-hand tales if I do, ok?

hehe

Liz

P.S. Oh, and Ken, don't make me come over there and take the naughty food away. Glad to have you back amongst the very-most conscious, Ken-babee.

  Nomali : IntegralSpiritualChocolate

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Nomali said Dec 13, 2006, 8:11 PM:

 

Liz and all,
I hate to say this but i cannot help it! Shoot!

I really censored and only mentioned the chocolate shake.

The actual order was something like, ehem… 4 cheese burgers, 1 big mac, large fries and a chocolate shake.


! ! !

I love it!

He is human after all, guys.

(maybe he did not eat all of them burgers in one sitting - I hope)

  Liz : deLizious

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Liz said Dec 13, 2006, 8:18 PM:

 

No way! Hilarious, Nomali. Hey, it's just food…not state secrets.

Liz

  Gman : Rent this space

Re: Pray for Ken ...

Gman said Dec 13, 2006, 8:29 PM:

 

Yeah, 4 cheeseburgers, a big mac……….

Um, Ken isn’t coming out with a diet is he? LOL

Seriously, I’m glad he’s doing better. I tend to eat “shit” food when I am recovering from an illness as well. Comfort type stuff, and I guess we can throw MickyD’s into that realm.