romance vs. evolutionary, erotic camaraderie

What if the recognized, driving need of partnering was not the egoic reason of both parties wanting to become a better person but the evolution of consciousness itself?

What if the passion and juiciness of relating would come not from the romantic projections on each other but from the mutual appreciation of the shared dedication to reaching the next level contribution of the “we” cultural/social evolution?

What if the chemistry of erotic attraction could not trigger attachment because the lovers value and care for the freedom from the fears and desires of ego more than they care for being attached to a certain set of comforting or intoxicating experiences?

What if regular mediation practice by both parties could help stamp out attentional violence from their relationship?

“You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.” (Lennon)

Why I post this topic opener in the “Practice” rather than the “Theory” forum? Because the practical challenges of those what-if's seem to be more interesting and generative than the purely conceptual ones.

If you have any experience, insight, or wise question about any of the above, I'd love to hear from you…

Re: romance vs. evolutionary, erotic camaraderie

This called the practice of growth.

And in the context of different life cycles, patterns of community, family, friends, colleagues and most complex life conditions of all kind.

Like to focus on the process. Labeling it in any way is always near of making a thing out of it.

Thanks again, George , for picking up and spotlighting an important topic and difference:

“What if the recognized, driving need of partnering was not the egoic reason of both parties wanting to become a better person but the evolution of consciousness itself?

What if the passion and juiciness of relating would come not from the romantic projections on each other but from the mutual appreciation of the shared dedication to reaching the next level contribution of the “we” cultural/social evolution?”

I myself went through at least 5 big cycles in this way. One of the most difficult and painful ones was the process with my family in first 25 years of my life. And the rough fights with my cultural system of conservative roman catholic values system of repression and suppression .

To liberate the “WE” on Micro- meso. and macro levels is perhaps the biggest challenge worldwide.

Thanks for referral to Ottos new blog. When I spoke with him personally in 2004 I had this fresh feeling he described himself from his talk with Vittorio Hösle even weeks after the talk.

The practice is not so much a complex to do list for me. Its about diving through all dimensions. Recognizing that no single constellation of structured relationships and forms of WE in itself is it.

Its about co-creating and shaping the pyschophysical plasiticity of the WE space. Taking out ALL dramas as we know conventionally.

As Otto Scharmer says: Creating landing stripes for the future.

German 20th century artist Joself Beuys had coined this terminus when he realized that creating social fields is perhaps the greatest art form for 21st century.

Re: romance vs. evolutionary, erotic camaraderie

A quote from German Mystic Eckhart was paraphrased in the denoument of the movie Jacob's Ladder: “Eckhart saw Hell too. He said: 'The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, he said. They're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and… and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth