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Walking on the edge of strength and spirit

Damon [no longer around] said Oct 27, 2008, 5:56 AM:

 

This is a reflection more than a beginning of a discussion thread, but would be interested on anyone else view on a similar subject.

The nature of any practice is to develop capacities beyond the limits set by our self - to transcend.  Be it meditation, yoga, philosophical study, religious introspection, or as the subject here is a focus strength training.  Any system of practice has the capacity to set us free from the normal waking consciousness and into different states or stages of development.  These same systems of practice also have the capacity to limit our capacity of growth through attachment, routine, egoism, illusion, delusion, lack of mindfulness and of minimal spiritual intent.

This is where I have found myself with my own practice.  No longer do I feel connected to strength training in a developmental capacity, rather I feel limited in pursuing lifting as a form of strength and body training without reflection.  Its the same reason I needed to leave a yoga asana practice - the common link is me.

So I find myself thinking about the edge between practice as a focus on to itself and practice as a form beyond itself.  Is it natural to fall in and out of attachment within these practices, and how does one recognise the signs before we feel we have drifted too far from the edge and into a maya of form over real substance.  I don't want to withdraw this time, deny the nature of my true self and the relationship to a practice I know instinctively has a deep and profound capacity for deep introspection.  So what do I do from here…..continue, change, withdraw (maybe all three).

 When you walk the edge of strength and spirit maybe this is natural, a falling in and out of spirit.  Maybe a consistency of a strength training practice is important to reveal this evolution, reflecting that spirit may not always be the focus, but a dedicated intense path that strength training is will break us down spiritually only to build us back up.

  jeepdog : Warrior Poet

Re: Walking on the edge of strength and spirit

jeepdog said Oct 27, 2008, 10:14 AM:

 

Damon -

First, it is good to see you back here.

Perhaps one does not fall in out of spirit so much as reshuffling the priority of focus (or perhaps occassional loosing focus?) of the four quadrants.

That is what it is for me, at least.

Recently, I've had difficulty considering any “training” as that - training.  Extend that training to being a combination of “mind, body, spirit,” and I'm not sure what is going on.

I do know I've stepped away from heavy lifting.  Yet, every morning I am running.  Every morning I am jumping.  Doing pull ups, et ceteral.  Twice a week , depending on week/mood/whatever sometimes more frequent, I work with dumbells.

Actually, I do not know what I'm trying to say here, except for “I hear you, Damon, and am connecting with your observation.”

 

Re: Walking on the edge of strength and spirit

Damon [no longer around] said Nov 14, 2008, 8:33 AM:

 

Jeepdog

Thanks for hearing me on this one. 

Its actually good to be back and open to discussing what I am going through with this practice.  Ive been a bit reclusive especially since going through some major changes, training, life, family etc.  Ive also been a bit disconnected from deeper forms of practice with all that has been happening - hence the post - and I guess it came to a point where I felt there was too much superficiality in what I was doing with the strength training.

I ideally would be able to engage in spirit part of the practice regardless of what is happening, but I couldn't maintain the focus of this  intent while everything else was in flux.  I had to withdraw away and focus on the change and different priorities rather than induce more change and turmoil through the practice.   

  Rob : Philosopher of Strength

Re: Walking on the edge of strength and spirit

Rob said Nov 14, 2008, 2:43 PM:

 

Damon, 


Sorry not to respond sooner - thanks for brining up the two edges of practice - the capacity to awaken into Novelty and the capacity to entrench habituation. 

This is a huge issue for any serious practitioner who's committed to the Unconditioned Ground of Awakening… or whatever you want to label it. 

So, I'm just going to throw out some things for you here… here we go. 

Reflectivity… 
Is sounds as if you've slipped into a pre-reflective practice, which is the heart of habituation, the unconscious articulation of your conditioned history over and over again. 

When you say that you're experiencing a loss of reflection, this is what I hear. 

This reflective practice sounds like what you're drawn to, attracted to and find fulfillment in. 

I'd like to point to something else though, a post-reflective practice that's radically different than both of these yet can integrate and include both in a new sphere of engagement. 

I could be wrong, but I think in your heart of hearts you're looking to actually step beyond reflective practice where you look back and discover a new path of transcendence for your practice moving forward. 

This is an invaluable process, but when you are the reflective process you can see transcendent avenues opening, but you have yet to radically embrace and embody the very activity of the transcendent itself in the moment. 

Stepping beyond reflection is stepping into a radical acceptance and embrace of your practice in a novel way. This direct practice of immediacy is what you're really really after my friend. 

That's my bias of course… :-) 

So you've got your conventional purposes to strength training, these are important and to be integrated into the larger activity of Transcendence Dancing with Resistance, but as you articulate so well, conventional purposes can entrap and ensnare your conditioning such that the vitality and emergent novelty of who you really are becomes the forgotten dream. 

Integral practice and strength training must embrace the post-conventional purpose which is radically non-linear. So it throws purpose in the conventional understanding on it's head. There's no purpose outside of this direct immediacy. 

To leave this out is to live your life without a heart. To leave out this most essential component is to fall into a training that seeks not to unfold and awaken your larger sphere of identity, instead your training has the purpose of keeping you in a slumber, shackling your body-mind to cave walls, shadows and the distorted life too afraid to face the radiance of their authentic calling. 

So how do you know if you've fallen into habituation? 

Ask yourself this one question: do you seek other than what's here? 

If the answer is yes, then you're deluded and fundamentally stuck on at least some part of your conditioned history, if not huge sections of your conditioning. 

If the answer is no, then you're deluded and fundamentally stuck in avoiding the truth of your history and the embodiment of your relative vehicle. 

If you answer with a Silence that holds both… you're getting back on track ;-)

Peace buddy, 
~Rob