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OuchMarc said Nov 12, 2008, 4:06 PM: |
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Re: OuchDamon [no longer around] said Nov 14, 2008, 8:19 AM: |
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Marc “The serious seeker of growth must be willing to endure pain which is the by product of her or his seeking. The challenge is to come to terms with the pain, to accept it, perhaps even embrace it…….Is this not what lifting weights is all about? Lifting weights is a way of creating adverse conditions for the body to adapt to, in its most amazing way. Push, it, strain it, stretch it, today, see its adaptation tomorrow. And, oh, yes, your pain will confirm your success in creating an adverse condition”The book goes into the complexity of interpreting pain in relation to personality. The lifter can relate to pain in three generic personality styles: “disuse your body” (phobic)As you are engaging into the pain and willing to explore it even around the edges, I would discount the “disuse” style. I often find myself reflecting on whether I'm authentically in the “use” or deluding myself in the “misuse”. I haven't found the answer yet which one as the intent behind each one can be more a function of subtle behaviour than gross behaviour. But by the fact that you explored the biofeedback from the painful experience, reflected on its root cause(s), and put this experience within a practice focused on growth - you are probably engaged in self actualising experience through this pain. Its an interesting topic, pain, and one completely relevant to this discussion forum. Let us know how you are getting on with it through your training and the S4L program. Sorry I couln't be more of help on the diagnosis. Damon |
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Re: OuchRob said Nov 14, 2008, 1:54 PM: |
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Marc, Thanks for bringing this up. Damon thanks for your reflections and thanks for bringing in one of our pioneers… not just pumping iron is such a good book… Anyway, here are a few of my questions for you Marc: Is it more of a global stinging sensation in your core muscles as a whole or is it localized in a specific area? Does the sensation build over the course of a set or does this stinging sensation 'jump' up at a particular point in your movement? If you can, say more about the direct sensations… Dull, blunt, sharp, hot, piercing, chronically present or acute to the movement of the reps, etc. Let me know ASAP… and when did this start? As for Damon's suggestion as to attending to the relationship you're taking to the pain, he's dead on regardless of what's going on. Follow that rabbit hole baby! :-) Peace & Stillness ~Rob |
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Re: OuchMarc said Nov 15, 2008, 10:45 AM: |
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Hey Guys, Wow, thank you! Really! Yeah, Rob, I'd describe the pain more like a global pain. It felt like it was ALL in my abs, but most intensely in my lower abs. The upper abs felt more like…they'd just been punched. And it was REALLY hot. It felt like fire down there. I noticed it the first few reps in and could barely go on. But then I moved into it some more after a few deep controlled breaths. Second and third sets were HORRIBLE with less than 10 reps being pulled. That was on Tuesday. I did the same exercise on Friday and didn't get quite the same reaction. But I noticed myself being so much more cautious to go deep with the exercise. This has been one of the most intense exercises for me out of ALL the exercises in the program - swiss ball ab crunch. It's the one where I can get one of the deepest contractions (biceps being the only other one that gets deeper - but I haven't had this problem with them because I love working out biceps). OK let me finish off your questions here. 1. Is it more of a global stinging sensation in your core muscles as a whole or is it localized in a specific area? It's more localised in just the area I was working with. i.e. lower abs, where this exercise targets. I know the reverse crunch hits the upper abs (at least that's what I'm feeling in my body) but I didn't feel it quite as strongly there. As I'm trying to recall it more, an image of a big black piece of paper with lots of pencil holes in it is coming to mind. That's how it felt. Not like pins and needles, but more like a general intense sensation, with more minor intense sensations that just felt BAD and more sickly. I realised when I repeated this on Friday, that I shouldn't be eating the energy pudding I'd been consuming before this exercise on that day. It may be due to that, because my stomach felt too full. Although the discomfort I had on Friday was nothing at all like Tuesday's. 2. Does the sensation build over the course of a set or does this stinging sensation 'jump' up at a particular point in your movement? It came in at the first set after only a couple of reps. Right after I'd gotten off the treadmill from my 20min HIIT. What is also odd about this coming up is that BAM, it really affected the quality of all workouts subsequent to that. My motivation has been shot this week (although I've still been going the gym). But my body feels tired like UGH. It feels more like a bodymind thing rather than a direct body experience. Some things have been coming up this week surrounding my work, purpose, etc, so I'm unsure if it had anything to do with that. All I know is that I'm struggling to get excited to go the gym like I had been before. Although when I get there, I can still bring myself pretty fully to what I'm doing. Funny how it said that the second group of 4 weeks (in S4L) was when motivation would be lacking. I know I've digressed somewhat here, but I wanted to bring a full picture of my experience - inner and outer, higher and lower. Doing this on my own has been hard with nobody to reflect anything back on what's happened in my workouts. I'm grateful for you guys being here (and in S4L pod) to bounce these things off. Much love, Marc
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