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Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyBalder said May 21, 8:46 AM: |
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The following is a review of a book by Mark I. Wallace, Fragments of the Spirit, in which Wallace offers a post-metaphysical reading of the Holy Spirit. |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyNicole said May 21, 9:32 AM: |
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Fascinating. I'd like to have a better idea of what he means by a performative notion of truth and how he deals with the reality of evil. But I guess I will just have to read the book. |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyBalder said May 21, 9:45 AM: |
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Hi, Nicole, that's one of the themes that we've been exploring in this pod. Here's a brief Wikipedia definition: |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyNicole said May 21, 9:57 AM: |
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Thank you! That's very clear. |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyBalder said May 21, 10:01 AM: |
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:-) No, for that, I need to read the book as well! But it's an important question, so I am interested to see what he has to say. |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyBalder said May 21, 10:31 AM: |
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I found a related essay by Wallace in the Google book preview. |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyNicole said May 21, 7:43 PM: |
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Thank you! This is exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyMoneynot said May 26, 12:48 PM: |
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Bruce, In much less theological terms than it sounds that Wallace uses, I have seen the trinity as the “God in” (Wallace's “Ruah”?), “God with”, and “God to” (God beyond, toward which we are pulled teleologically, that we are going “to”). |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyBalder said May 28, 3:24 PM: |
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Hi, Darrell, are you familiar with Almaas' discussion of the “3 journeys”? The journey to presence, with presence, and in presence? (You can read a brief summary here; or here, about midway through the essay.) Your distinctions seem to correspond with this, so I thought you might be interested in looking at it, if you aren't familiar with it. |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyMoneynot said Jun 2, 3:11 PM: |
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Hi Balder, No, I had not read or heard about that. Same terms, but coming at it a bit differently. My terms are from the ego perspective of the first journey. From there, the Essence is beyond - something we are pulled toward. So, my God-to function would actually match up with his “in” function, because he/she seems to be describing it from the “arrived” state of presence, rather from the not-yet-arrived state to which my made-up terms apply. “To” would turn to “in” during a higher stage of spiritual development - Almaas' third journey. My “God-in” means a preview (like Stephen Covey's habit of “begin with the end in mind” - just so happens, I believe, that the end is literally “in” deep in, inside, the mind, at its energy core). This “end” can, via states, sometimes bypass stages and move a person as though an ego-dystonic force/being was moving them toward righteous or excellent actions. It is like Rolo May's idea of Diamonic - a wave of genius that takes you to a better outcome than occurs with non-genius. “Genie”-ous (like the genie in the bottle) and diamonic are linguistically related, according to May, and demonic is a limited and distorted version of diamonic (If I recall his points correctly). The essential characteristic of the diamonic is to move a person like a wave moves a person. This reminds me of Wilber's description of spiritual/mystical “states”. And a state seems like a wave that would come over (or through) you, not yet internalized or assimilated into the material, manifested, aspects of self. |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyAnnie said Jun 2, 11:08 AM: |
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Hi Balder, so this is where you hang out! This is an excellent post; one of the things that have stood out for me is: In the present case, this means not only striving toward a heartfelt appropriation of the Spirit in one's personal life, nor merely cultivating a deeper awareness of the Spirit's presence within the life of the triune God. It means waking up to the Spirit who is the very life of the world and committing oneself to participate in the Spirit's healing and renewing workI find it difficult to separate the triune God from Spirit; I suppose Christie is basically saying the same thing by stating that “Spirit is the very life of the world” – without life and relationship one would not realize Spirit. It is also said that “when two or more are gathered in my name, I Am there” - this seems like an odd statement considering God cannot “not be” and I have always understood this in terms of Spirit. The relationship between humanity. Spirit is the exuberance and inspiration behind the spoken word, Spirit is also energy within the relationship of Other, one that is a direct infusion on one’s own being. My understanding is that without Other one would not experience this Radiance.Any thoughts on this? |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyBalder said Jun 2, 12:22 PM: |
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Hi, Annie, welcome to the IPS forum! Yep, this is where I hang out a lot of the time… :-) |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyMark said Jun 2, 12:42 PM: |
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This one's for you Annie… |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyAnnie said Jun 2, 4:41 PM: |
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Thanks Mark, you made my day! How is Dora doing? |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyMark said Jun 2, 4:52 PM: |
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Hi Annie. You made my day too! |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyAnnie said Jun 2, 5:14 PM: |
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Yes, I don't have much to add to this, she said it beautifully! Within the Trinitarian relationship we can indeed include all matter and life. |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyMark said Jun 2, 6:53 PM: |
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As I said, one day at a time. She came home from work and wants to schedule an appt. to sign the divorce papers. So it looks like I'm going to be quite busy the next few days selling off some stuff for moving out. |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyTom said Jun 2, 7:00 PM: |
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First dibs on the canoe!! |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyMark said Jun 3, 5:50 AM: |
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Hi Tom! |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyMoneynot said Jun 8, 6:18 AM: |
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Dear Bruce and Anne, I loved that line of thought. It reminded me of a poem I wrote (well, just about everything does, but this seems to really fit the above thoughts and values). See below: |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyTom said Jun 2, 12:58 PM: |
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Annie: My understanding is that without Other one would not experience this Radiance. |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyMark said Jun 2, 1:09 PM: |
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A little something from down under… |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyBalder said Jun 2, 1:31 PM: |
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A blast from the past. But I don't see the relevance of this song to this discussion. Is there a reason you thought to post it here? |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyMark said Jun 2, 1:38 PM: |
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Cameron Freeman is from Australia. Can we appreciate his blast in the moment? |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyMark said Jun 2, 1:52 PM: |
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I've Seen All Good People… |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyMoneynot said Jun 8, 7:23 AM: |
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Tom, I liked that: “But that 'working through' is IMO but learning to walk in a paradox, one pole of which is differentiation”. |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyAnnie said Jun 10, 11:49 AM: |
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Darrell, |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyMoneynot said Jun 8, 7:09 AM: |
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Annie (I have been missing the “i”), I am glad also to find you here. I am still a new kid in town as well. I loved how you treated the concept of Spirit as most essential (beyond the theological mumbo jumbo), and it dawned on me that aspect of the word “spirit”, as in “spirit (essence) of the law”. So, denotively, in terms of the meaning of the word itself, Spirit is the thing to keep our eyes on. But I also loved the connotative meanings you associated with Spirit when you said “Spirit is the exuberance and inspiration behind the spoken word…” I really liked that connotation. |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyAnnie said Jun 2, 5:19 PM: |
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Mark, Did you happen to see this on IL posted today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC3InaibVjQ Sweet and Simple - kinda makes you appreciate the little things! |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyMark said Jun 2, 5:47 PM: |
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Oh, thank you Annie! I just watched it right now and loved it. |
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Re: Mark Wallace's Ecological PneumatologyNickeson said Jun 3, 2:00 PM: |
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Balder, |
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