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Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?Balder said Nov 12, 10:30 AM: |
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From The Times |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?starlight said Nov 12, 10:38 AM: |
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I don't think so, I think it is just demanding that the story be better…* |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?Moneynot said Nov 12, 11:38 AM: |
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Dear Bruce, I enjoyed that look at collective and my own mind as it is being influenced by this modern version of “thought as a system” (Bohm) that we call the internet. |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?xibalba said Nov 12, 12:07 PM: |
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THX the net you are not any longer subject to one- sided exploitation and torturing tales written by some madmen and their pychotic like mythologies, style: silly Mein kampf or a long list of colonial bullshit by mediocres like Houston Chamberlain, Rudyard Kipling or Cecil Rhodes, etc.. a long list following, please flush behind you. |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?Moneynot said Nov 16, 6:54 AM: |
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Xibalba, Good point. The internet seems perfect for postmodern deconstruction of the old institutional forms which could be driven, on occassion, by dictators and madmen. While it leaves us in an ash-heap of relativity, it sets up the rising of a Phenox which is integrated at a deeper level than previously. Once the (indiviual or collective) mind learns to walk around itself - taking many more perspectives than it did when it was caught up in its own projections, unaware of that those thoughts were projections - then it can go back into itself with more awareness than it had before it astrally projected. Outside looking in becomes integrated with inside moving out. Mind becomes aware of its simulanious breadth and depth. |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?Davidu said Nov 12, 12:20 PM: |
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I think the author is lamenting our embodied movement in the world further away from depth, much the way David Abram was pointing out in his book, “The Spell of the Sensuous”. ”taking up the written word, with all of its potency, and patiently, carefully writing language back into the land. Our craft is that of releasing the budded, intelligence of our words, freeing them to respond to the speech of the things themselves – to the green uttering-forth of leaves from the spring branches. It is the practice of spinning stories that have the rhythm and lilt of the local soundscape, tales for the tongue, tales that want to be told, again and again, sliding off the digital screen and slipping of the lettered page to inhabit these coastal forests, those desert canyons, those whispering grasslands and valleys and swamps… Planting words like seeds, under rocks and fallen logs – letting language take root, once again, in the earthen silence of shadow and bone and leaf.” p.274 I think the author of the article is saying he's sad to see the shift to ”click, tweet, e-mail, twitter, skim, browse, scan, blog”, a kind of chattering, in quick-time, away from depth of story rooted in nature. Just my opinion, of course. I could be wrong. |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?starlight said Nov 12, 12:30 PM: |
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that makes a lot of sense David…i wasn't thinking of it in that way…thnx for the opening…* |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?Moneynot said Nov 16, 7:14 AM: |
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David and Starlight, Perhaps one function of this internet thing could be to help form actual, embodied, communities which incorporate the best of the new (postmodern, relativistic, multiperspective) thought and old. I devoted a lot of time to dreaming up such a place. I am now using the internet to both shamelessly and honorably plug what I think to be a good idea. The below links introduce the concept and story of “Allsberg”:Introduction,Chapter 1. |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?starlight said Nov 16, 11:19 AM: |
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Hey Darrell, I will try and check this out when I can…thnx for posting it* |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?Balder said Nov 12, 12:40 PM: |
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I relate to what the author says about attention span – I don't think I've finished reading a book, cover to cover, in about two years now. I only read small chunks, in no special order, similar to how I read on the internet. I hadn't attributed this directly to the influence of the internet, but it seems likely that my daily internet habits have shortened my attention span. I definitely feel a difference in my reading patterns from several years ago. I jump around a lot more, often skimming many things at once, seldom settling for long into any one thing. Part of this probably has to do with a busy schedule – with not having long chunks of time to do what I want. But part of it probably is a result of this new medium, too. I find myself getting impatient with lengthy books. I don't look at this as the fault of books (containing unnecessary information), but as a 'loss' on my part. |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?starlight said Nov 12, 12:50 PM: |
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dang Bruce you just described me, but when i reflected a while back on why something was unable to hold my focus vs. something that was, it had more to do with how that content was being presented, as i clarified in my first post on this thread…so in a way, the fast pace of the internet might just be encouraging us to become more focused with our authentic voice…so maybe it's a good thing… |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?Nicole said Nov 13, 5:03 AM: |
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I have stopped reading books too. I once devoured books, more than one a day sometimes. The internet has changed us, changed us irrevocably. |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?starlight said Nov 16, 11:18 AM: |
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Hey Nic, it depends on the book in my case…I don't have patience for books that are not written well, say the same thing over and over, or fail to make their point without losing it first… |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?Nicole said Nov 17, 4:56 AM: |
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I used to read every book I began from beginning to end, but years before the internet learned to put down those that were rubbish. |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?starlight said Nov 16, 11:23 AM: |
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I dunno Bruce…I read all the TSK books…lol…some I enjoyed more than others, and some parts of them more than other parts, but I forced myself through what was difficult for me…now the exercises, that was a whole other thing for me…I have my own exercises…lol* |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?kelamuni said Nov 16, 12:14 PM: |
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I've never been one to indulge in much story telling, perhaps because, like Star, I get impatient with fluff, but if I come across something that I think I might find interesting and edyfying, I will read it, which is what I did this summer for the first time in a long time, and that was to read the book The Sea the Sea, by Iris Murdoch, which I digested very slowly over the course of the entire summer, reading it only when I was on the beach, while offering my body to the sun goddess, who kissed my skin gently with her rays, as she slowly browned me to a deep bronze. :-) |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?starlight said Nov 16, 12:24 PM: |
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i was was the sun goddess? lmao* |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?maryw said Nov 16, 4:39 PM: |
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I still love a well-told story, but also find myself reading them (or listening to / watching them in film version) less frequently, in part because I've beeb more easily distracted by online engagement during the past 5 years or so. It's true also that I've become more “picky” about stories, more discriminating about what activities I'm willing to invest my time in. Perhaps that's just part of my aging process – as I sense that I've got less lifetime left, I'm less willing to waste it on stories that are just so-so. I appreciate simplicity and depth, insight and humility, spiciness and humor … and writers that have a way with the flow and sound and textures of words (thanks for that excerpt from Abram, Davidu). I savor stories that take off and gallop in some way, books that grab/drag / pull me out of my daily routine, tempting me to drop everything until they are through with me. And it just seems that there are fewer of them these days! |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?starlight said Nov 17, 5:08 AM: |
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M~As wonderful as that can be, it also leaves me with a kind of “communal yearning” that is never satisfied – an odd loneliness that cannot be quelled by online interaction. I long to be “in real time and space” with friends I've gotten to meet and spend time with because of online interaction. I know this isn't true for everyone, though –it could just be my personal quirk, and there are plenty of people who are perfectly fine with just the online gabbing and sharing and creating – and who perhaps even prefer it to face-to-face engagement. But for me, so far, the “story” and “space” we create in Cyberia feels somewhat “unconsummated” or incomplete without the kind of social bonding that takes place in physical meetspace. |
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Re: Is the Internet Killing Storytelling?Christophe said Nov 17, 5:41 AM: |
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I can go with many of the statements in this thread… it can be hard to “go back” to reading books when you can seemingly 'have it all under your fingertips' in the online world. But that's not true, and some topics still require time for study and the context of an argument that builds up over several chapters. |
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