Gaia: God Pod or Life, the Universe and Everything - Purpose of this Pod - Destiny Predetermination

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://singerseeker.gaia.com — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:33:01 GMT

Cindy, sorry, I saw your post before and wanted to respond. Thanks Mr and andrew for jogging my memory. You make some good points here, thank you for contributing. It is indeed such a vital discussion that in a way it can never end.

andrew, that's a very apt quote from the Matrix. You may be right, that we often choose out of fear than love.

How do we learn then to choose more out of love?

Light and peace,

Nicole

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://andrewmarkmusic.gaia.com — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:56:30 GMT

the oracle speaking to neo, " your here to understand why you make these choices."

i suspect most of us choose out of fear rather than love............

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://mrprophet.gaia.com — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:49:25 GMT

There is the mind and then there is the soul. We think with our mind but we listen with our soul. Sometimes our soul communicates what it has heard to our mind and our mind links to our brain and causes us to act. For instance, one may have a premonition to take another route, and suddenly, almost inexplicably, change to that route only to find that something horrible happened on the route that was originally supposed to be taken. The soul heard the message, conveyed it to the mind as a thought, the mind told the brain and the brain told the body to act.

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://EliRoberson.gaia.com — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:01:50 GMT

Jagdish, I am humbled...

Namaste

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://bkjagadish.gaia.com — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:38:26 GMT

....Fantttttttttttttastic Eli !!!...my dhanyavad

and humble pranams at your feet !!

....now i am posting it to a Gaia friend of mine in reference to a photo

i liked in her album...

with my heartfelt love and tender hugs !!

-jagadish

ps: Eli , you see, dear Nicole has already given voice to the feelings

of many like me !!!...

....thanks Nicole for your entry !!

-jagadish

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://sindeelu13.gaia.com — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:34:12 GMT

I think you covered this point very well. I also think it is foolish to let the question rest. The moment we stop thinking about such thought provoking questions is the moment we give up our free will, in a sense. Life is a series of experiences and decisions. All of us have varying beliefs in higher powers. And thus, we must realize that in any system of beliefs, the important question is, what is going to make me the happiest and achieve the most fulfillment in my life? Some of the things we face are difficult and hard to understand and it almost seems to be a comfort to let go of understanding it and trust it must have been a predetermined event. However, how we choose to deal with these types of things is what makes us. That is where the true sense of free will lies. We can become bitter and hardened or we can choose to grow into a more compassionate, enlightened, out-reaching person. We are given the gift of life for the purpose of finding happiness. We all have different sources of what brings us that happiness. It is essential that every day we take the time to face the good and the bad with the belief in free will. That is why we are accountable. That is why there are consequences. Our actions cause reactions. To recongnize this and live it, is to take each moment for its full value and convert it into something that enriches us and the lives of others. To do otherwise is to harden yourself against the possibilities of life and admit you cannot make a difference. That would be a shame!

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://singerseeker.gaia.com — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:56:19 GMT

Eli, I'm grateful that you ended up being able to post it here after all so we may all benefit. Sorry to hear about the internet problems.

Much love,

Nicole

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://singerseeker.gaia.com — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:43:43 GMT

Samantha, great to have you joining in here and don't worry your Philosophy Professor will not learn of this from us! :)

Just Me, you are most welcome too. That is an excellent question. Perhaps life is much more complex than we can know - and also more simple.

Love,

Nicole

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://usandthem.gaia.com — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:00:01 GMT

Hello, I have one. Heard it on the radio one day driving to work. Do we think with our minds, or for minds, to which I add. Do we think with and as part of life that we are or for and from the perpespective of life we encapsulate? Or is it not a slice of both that makes us whole, such that while we can detemine the path, the journey of life, as an even greater whole, will and does continues on whether we are aware or not. Such that life be it as simple as tree or as complex as we believe ourselves to be will and does look after itself as needed like the layers of bark upon a tree are a lesson learned and measure towards greater growth.
Thanks

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://EliRoberson.gaia.com — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:47:34 GMT

Dear Jagdish,

Thankfully I could make my reply to your post relatively in brief, and hence I am posting it here.

All Light is Lord's Manifetation - Bagwad Gita 10:41

yadyadvibhutimatsattvam srimadurjitameva va
tattadevavagaccha tvam mama tejomasasambhavam

Literal translation: "Every such thing which is glorious, brilliant, or powerful, know that to be a manifestation of a spark of MY splendor"

Discussion:

In this universe, whatever glory, brilliance, power, beauty, or any other singularity appears in animate or inanimate things, persons, etc. should be known as a manifestation of a spark of the Lord's splendour. Without Him, there is no singularity anywhere. If a person thinks that this brilliance is due to a "person" or a "thing" he has a downfall. The reasoning behind this is as follows:

If a beauty, glory, attraction, power, or quality appears to belong to any "object" or "person" it can not remain for ever because objects or persons are transient in the scale of time in this universe. Hence, such a brilliance must belong to Lord who is the illuminator, the origin and the base of ALL of them.

One, who regards it belonging to a person or the object, gets entangled in the world and gains nothing. If one understands that these objets or persons are perishable and hence can never possess such eternal qualities, and that these qualities can only belong to the Lord, would be free from delusions and would therefore attain bliss.

For example, think of a music system running on electric power. Someone who has never known/seen electricity (ignorant person), may regard the sound coming only from the sound system while one who is having the knowledge knows that this sound system works by electric power.

This does not mean that we should not feel thankful to those who have done good to us with their qualities. We should be greateful and render service to them, but we should not get entangled in the world by regarding them as theirs.

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://joshuastark.gaia.com — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:09:00 GMT

hi Samantha :D

'Cogito ergo sum' (i think therefore i am) was Rene Descarte.

300 years later, Sartre responded 'the consciousness that says 'i am' is not the consciousness that thinks.' suggesting that we are not the voice in our head, but the observer of that voice, the presence, the awareness of that voice speaking. :D

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://EliRoberson.gaia.com — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:47:53 GMT

Jagdish, on second thought, I think the explanation might be too long for a post here and may not interest all friends, so I will create a blog on my personal space and leave the link here for all those wanting to read.

Blessings

Eli

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://EliRoberson.gaia.com — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:35:40 GMT

Jagdish, I will post it as soon as my Internet behaves less erratic

Eli

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://bkjagadish.gaia.com — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:17:10 GMT

( added later as an after thought )

...Eli . i will greedily lap up if you elaborate on that particular

shloka...

.....more detailed the better !!!

-jagadish

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://bkjagadish.gaia.com — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:11:31 GMT

...Eli , can you kindly furnish your translation of the verse 41,

chapter 10 , Vibhutiyoga ( yadyad vibhuti mat

satvam..........sambhavam ) ?...i referred to many texts but was not

satisfied as none could capture that impressive essence of the Lord

capsuled in this particular Shloka...

with humble pranams

-jagadish

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://dailyplanit.gaia.com — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:44:16 GMT

Fate is real
Predetermination is real.
Things HAVE BEEN predetermined.I predetermine many things in my own life, then do them.
Is every action fated? Is every thought AND feeling predetermined?

Here is how fate is determined. If to believe in fate and it makes you feel warm and happy knowing everything in your life is predetermined then it is true it is.
If it scares the hell out of you that everything in your life is predetermined then it is a lie and don't believe their lies.

Feelings are what predetermine actions. Bad feelings DON'T pretetermine good futures.
So avoid them..............
Of course if you seek thrills you will believe the lies, and seek out a scary future for you to experience. Thats up to you..... OR IS IT???

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://dailyplanit.gaia.com — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:33:28 GMT

"Anyways, if we were predestined, then that would mean whatever we believe is predestined. "

I believe I am predestined to grow old and die at around say 70 - 90 years old. Or.... be the first human to live forever.

"In response, someone might say that they intuitively feel free but of course they'd feel the exact same way whether they were free or fated to feel that way."

Who would do that? Who would fate them to feel that way? Would someone sit and calculate exactly how you are supposed to feel?
What choices and freewill would this person HAVE themself while they decide the course of fate for all others and how they should feel? Where would this record of what I should do next be written down, in quantum DNA? I think your wrong saying it cannot be answered I think you HAVE answered the question perfectly... Even the writters of fate would not know if they were fated to write it that way, unless they sat arround for almost eternity doing nothing until they realised that nothing happens unless they cause it to be so. Fate it to be so. BUT then was god fated to write our fate?

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://dailyplanit.gaia.com — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 06:51:37 GMT

This is absolutely true. Why do we debate the strings? Because we are in control of our own direction and destiny, not destined for a specific purpose. But ....not quite ....many of the strings we can actually see, the ties of family bonds. The ropes of gravity that hold us down here on earth, preventing us explore the heavens. We are tied to an eco system that is finely balanced and ready topple if we knock it out of sync'.
The strings DO decide our destiny and we die if we defy the strings for too long. But we like our life with the strings so much better than death without them........ The strings are created out of love to give life meaning and direction. Love is the thread that the strings are made of.

Re: Destiny Predetermination

Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:09:35 GMT

Howdy,
For me, the idea of Total Predeterminism (God totally controls each and every moment of the day, etc.) is quickly eliminated with the old postulation:

"I think, therefore I am."

Now, I can't remember which philosopher said this (please don't tell my Philosophy Professor!); can anybody help me with that tidbit? All I remember is that what is translated "I think therefore I am" was originally "I doubt, therefore I am."

The very fact that we can suspect our own mental and moral freedom is a good indicator that it actually exists. Those who were totally controlled by the puppet-master would not bother to debate the existence of strings.

Peace!

Re: Destiny Predetermination

http://singerseeker.gaia.com — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:57:03 GMT

Right-oh!