Gaia: God Pod or Life, the Universe and Everything - Water Cooler - Music and visualization

Re: Music and visualization

http://singerseeker.gaia.com — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:03:27 GMT

Welcome to the discussion, inspiredmom!

Right, Andrew, it's just not doable. It seems it is up to us to make good choices and vote with our feet.

andrew, do you have a link for that story from the cbc? not sure which controversy here you mean - they are constant. :)

peace,

nicole

Re: Music and visualization

Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:17:59 GMT

How do you legislate against artistic expression in a free society?

It's like capital punishment, SOMEONE has to make a decision based on legally definable guidelines and someone has to carry it out.

Re: Music and visualization

http://andrewmarkmusic.gaia.com — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:34:38 GMT

i agree that it's a thorny issue and i certainly wouldn't advocate for more police state and more prisons over words.........

that being said, how can anyone force anyone else to love? at the same time, i don't think it's in societies best interest to be too tolerant when it comes to artistic expression that crosses way over the lines created by civil society........

this issue just came up in quebec recently, no? something about a cbc program that had a few too many complaints........

Re: Music and visualization

http://inspiredmom.gaia.com — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:26:32 GMT

This very same question has been circling my mind for awhile now. I am so glad you shared. Music and lyrics affect me emotionally, in a way that I find it very challenging to stay in a 'positive' mind or mode of attraction - unless of course it is a very uplifting and inspiriational song. It is our emotions, or our 'emotional guidance system' as coined by Abraham-Hicks that is our biological tool to let us know when we are in line with our desires or not, whether we are moving with downstream or upstream thoughts. So, yes, I definitely think that music which feels negative to us can attract negativity into our lives...because if it conjures up negative feelings, and then negative thoughts, and then more negative feelings, and then more negative thoughts, . . . it isn't long before we are feeling and thinking negatively, and then that becomes our current center of attraction. I think masters can do, and listen to anything and everything and remain in their authentic self, connected to Source,,,but I am certainly not anywhere near mastery. Instead I attempt to master moments as frequently as I can, and in doing so, I have found that I must go through my music selection, and upload to my Ipod, to start the new year off on the right track ....the title will be My Happy Moments.

Re: Music and visualization

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:23:50 GMT

Wow... I think I'm converted... Thanks Nicole.

Re: Music and visualization

http://singerseeker.gaia.com — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:41:21 GMT

Ah, Andrew, that's a long story. A few links:

Chronology

The Case Against School Prayer

Inauguration 2009: Why the Frivolous Lawsuits of Michael Newdow...

Re: Music and visualization

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:17:11 GMT

I don't think there's a happy ending to this line of thought.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redres of grievances.

Constitution of the United States (1787), First Amendment (1791).

How did a law get passed preventing prayer in schools?

Re: Music and visualization

http://singerseeker.gaia.com — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:11:56 GMT

ok :)

Re: Music and visualization

http://andrewmarkmusic.gaia.com — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:56:37 GMT

the article is 100% wrong on that issue also:)

Re: Music and visualization

http://singerseeker.gaia.com — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:40:17 GMT

Right, I agree with your distinction between hate crimes and martyring, but the point of the article I linked was that they were not actually targeting Christians.

Anyway, the point you raise about hate music is a much more important one. Should we draw the line? If so, how? Censorship usually has an effect opposite to that intended, creating heroes out of nowhere and ensuring a very high distribution of the forbidden material.

Peace,

Nicole

Re: Music and visualization

http://andrewmarkmusic.gaia.com — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:24:15 GMT

hi nicole, you might be surprised to hear that i agree with that article to a point. let me see if i can explain. i believe that jesus willingly gave up his live, so to me, he was a true martyr......

but when someone targets you for murder because of a wretched vile hatred; and it is your wish to live a long and happy life, then i don't see that as martyrdom, i see it as a hate crime; and indeed, those young men had a hate-on for christians miles long.

you know, i was always on the frank zappa side of the debate when it came to censorship, but what i am hearing and sensing these days is nothing more than vicious hate being spewed by these artists, and if the liberal intelligentsia doesn't think that this has no detrimental effect on these young minds; then in my opinion, i have to question who are the deluded ones on this earth............now i understand about testosterone fuelled rock and rap, and country; aided and abetted by cocaine; heroine; pot; alcohol; amphetamine; barbiturates, etc. but should we not draw the line on content that is viciously violent, and advocates all manner of religious , racial, and gender hatred and intolerance.....

perhaps this is the price we have to pay for our freedom in the west; but sometimes i do wonder...........

by the way, the buddhist monks who were murdered recently were also victims of hate crimes............

oh yes, and i have to add, jesus didn't strap a bomb on himself to take out as many people as he could when he gave up his life. to do so would have been a hate crime, in my opinion.....

Re: Music and visualization

http://singerseeker.gaia.com — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:30:47 GMT

oh, and about the Columbine shootings, andrew, as you said, I couldn't find any references in the mainstream news to the Christian targeting aspect, but I did find this provocative blog claiming that the opposite of martyrdom actually happened. Columbine's Christian Martyrdom Never Happened

Peace,

Nicole

Re: Music and visualization

http://singerseeker.gaia.com — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:26:15 GMT

Yes, it goes beyond physics, and beyond genre. At one time Christian kids were told that rock music was "evil" - now there are many Christian artists exploring just about every type of music.

Peace,

Nicole

Re: Music and visualization

http://andrewmarkmusic.gaia.com — Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:03:15 GMT

thx. nicole, i'm aware that i'm not really a solo artist, but i didn't want to stop playing music completely, so i went this route soz that i could still have a creative outlet........

hi andrew, that's not really an easy question to answer, and it would certainly depend on who you ask. i do think that this planet is in a convoluted bloody mess though......

there is data that showed that those young men at columbine were heavily influenced by the music they listened to. apparently they were targeting christians that they new that morning. i doubt that's ever been reported by the mainstream media.

i also think it depends on the nature of reality. if god doesn't exist in any meaningful way. and there is no such thing as angels and demons, then i would think that the occult hypothesis is delusional fantasy...but as your well aware, there are billions of people on this planet that do believe that god, angels and demons exist. if this is the case and i believe it is, although not in any orthodox way; then yes, a massive occult hypothesis is not so far fetched.

but yes, the 12 notes in the chromatic scale are not evil, nor is the diatonic, pentatonic, or quarter tones in the hindu scale.....any evil intent goes far beyond the physics of music, in my opinion........

Re: Music and visualization

http://singerseeker.gaia.com — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:54:44 GMT

oh andrew, sorry to hear about your depression.Hope you continue feeling better and that the muse returns soon. I do enjoy your music.

As for me, I'm just getting back into work mode after a lovely relaxing two weeks off work.

Andrew, I am very fond of Celtic-inspired music as well, for example Loreena McKennitt.

Love,

Nicole

Re: Music and visualization

Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:20:21 GMT

Hi andrew,

You made reference to the subtle and not so subtle occultic influence in music,

How widespread do you think it is? Is all music tainted?

These days I mainly listen to Oriental influenced instrumental stuff such as Kitaro and relaxing classic and Celtic material by the likes of Enya.

an eccentric Aussie

Re: Music and visualization

http://andrewmarkmusic.gaia.com — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:02:52 GMT

hi nicole, i've kind of been in a very deep depression in the last couple of weeks. sometimes i feel the weight of the world on my shoulders along with the psychic dissonance of why so many people on this world think that god is such a mean spirited tyrant. better not to believe in god then think of 'it' in that way, in my opinion.....

but you know, i'm coming out of it and starting to feel better...

the first two songs on my myspace page are new, but the muse left me as i said, so right now i am just in a reading mode..........

howz it with you?

Re: Music and visualization

http://singerseeker.gaia.com — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:32:31 GMT

all the more reason for the good guys to keep creating the good stuff, andrew.

So, how is it going? Any new songs on the way?

Peace,

Nicole

Re: Music and visualization

http://andrewmarkmusic.gaia.com — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:55:20 GMT

it's my contention that human beings are being manipulated on every level by a higher malignant intelligence. the entertainment industry has by no means gone untouched by this coersion. certainly neither has religion, but that is another thread....

i walked away from the music industry in 2001 because i've seen all too clearly what fuels it.....the screen medium is in much the same state, so these days it's the printed word that i've returned to in my leisure time....

anyone who is in the know and honest about the entertainment/media industry knows that there is a very unhealthy occult underbelly that again, fuels all of it......

Re: Music and visualization

http://noimaginativename.gaia.com — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:45:07 GMT

Andrew, I think you hit on the key to my concern- even if I feel positive while listening to the music, is there something subliminal going on? Am I buying into a low energy level without being consciously aware of it? Over the years, I have quit listening to heavy metal, and now mostly listen to old country and classical, with my current favorite being the waltzes of Strauss. I try to cut things out of my life that I think may have low energy associated with them. I have definitely changed my TV and movie habits due to how some shows left me feeling. I used to be a big horror fan, but found myself feeling increasingly disturbed. Of course I wonder what impact our current offering of TV and movies with increasingly high levels of violence does to our collective consciousness.

Its easy to avoid stuff where you can feel the low energy, but I just wonder about the subliminal impact that may be "below" my current ability to perceive.