Music and visualization

Let me reval two things about myself: first,the concepts of conscious co-creation and visualization are core to my belief system.  Secondly, I have a weakness for old country music- the twangier and more nasal the better.  As I was recently listening to an old Ray Price song about pain, lost love and lonliness; and it got me thinking.  Music is capable of evoking such powerful emotions that I wondered whether the themes of many of these songs, which run so counter to positive thoughts of , could be sewing seeds of negativity and scarcity as I listen to them.  If the vibration of our thoughts does indeed draw circumstances and events of similar vibrational intensity to us, am I unwittingly buying into the vibe of loss, even though as I listen to the music I am enjoying and appreciating the simplicity and honesty of the music? It just got me to wondering if there is some kind of “differentiation” between my conscious thoughts, and emotions that are evoked externally such as frm music.

Any thought????

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Terms such as “positive” and “negative” are value judgments used by the conscious mind.  Emotions touch upon a more primal level of the psyche and can't be put into simple categories.  Pain, lost love, and loneliness are no less spiritual. 

It just depends on you purposes and your intentions.  If you interpret these songs “positively” in “appreciating the simplicity and honesty”, then they are positive to you.  It also depends on how it influences you.  As long as you enjoy this music, then why judge your own enjoyment?  That wouldn't increase your “positive” thinking.

Its true everything effects us.  Just observe for yourself.  Pay attention to your mood and state of mind while listening to different music.  Only you can anwer what effect it has on you. 

However, I'd definitely pay close attention to anything that touches powerfully upon your emotions… just avoid labelling those emotions too much.  If you start to interpret this music as “negative”, you can make your experience of it “negative”.

Marmalade

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they say you shouldn't listen to ozzie too much or too loud cause it could drive you straight into hell!lol

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I knew someone who stopped listening to Pink Floyd.  She told me that she thought she was feeling mellow and then realized she was just depressed.  I guess she was blaming her depression on Pink Floyd and apparently claiming that by not listening she was cured or something.  Whatever works.

I can understand music altering one's mood.  And maybe even causing emotional imbalance from obsessively listening to a single genre too much.  But I sure hope listening to the wrong band won't send anyone to hell.

So, what music will send me to heaven?

Marmalade

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Try this music to visulaise:

Music Messiah at
http://www.123musiq.com/TheMusicMessiah-Ilaiyaraja.htm

(more info @ http://cdbaby.com/cd/ilaiyaraaja3)

Akbar
with love & peace

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Kindly check out these links to see my notions regarding visualization in music

Want to experience calmness? Come Here!

Composer's Breath - Nothing But Wind! - Ilaiyaraaja

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Akbar, thank you for sharing your beautiful music here!

Steve, you raised an interesting question. I would tend to go along with Marm on this, that so much depends on how we listen. Though as a old mom I do wonder what good can come of all the dark music my son likes, :) I know that this is part of what he has to work through - who knows what we really need at any given point?

Love,

Nicole

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One thing I am sure of– on a whim I bought a Stooges CD, as I was a big fan of Iggy Pop back in the early 70's.

After a few listens to Search and Destroy, Death Trip, and Your Pretty Face is Going to Hell, I decided that it was just a bit too dark for my tastes today. :)

Marmalade's advice is good.  If it leaves me feeling positive, it must be OK.   I was just getting a little paraniod that I was going to become posessed by some sequin clad, cowboy hat wearing entity, and would forever wander the earth mumbling painful lyrics, and perhaps even yodeling during full moons.
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Thanks to all that replied.

Steve

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recently i've been arguing for the jesus is god perspective but let me make it absolutely clear that i don't believe in the doctrine of eternal hell and damnation. so of course, i was being facetious and my usual smart-ass'd self!

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Lol, Steve and Andrew. Good to step back eh?

Cheers,

Nicole

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Dears,

On reading the discussion in this thread, the simple words of Ilaiyaraaja comes to my mind. And I hope  I can share it positively.

The words:
When words loose expressive quality, Music takes over. - Ilaiyaraaja

Words do have limitation, but for Music.

with love & peace.

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Hi Steve,

I used to listen to Country and Western radio stations all the time when I was an interstate (I think you call them long haul) truck driver.

I'm not trying to be funny but a song about pain, lost love and lonliness would sum up about 95% of C & W music, the only thing you've left out is the dog. 

I like Neil Diamonds take on it when he sang Song Sung Blues

There is no doubt music can influence a mood.  I used to enjoy heavy rock: Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zepplin and so on but it always left me feeling depressed and flat, certainly not music to meditate by.  Neil Diamonds formulae doesn't work on it either.

That is the rule of thumb I use, if I can meditate and have certain music on at the same time I see it as positive, uplifting.

If it cuts across my consciousness I can still enjoy it but I “listen” to the music rather than try to concentrate over it. 

I looked into subliminal suggestion and music some years ago and I think there might be something in it. 

If I'm going to feed my subconscious I choose what I'm going to feed it… Good stuff…

an eccentric Aussie

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Akbar, helpful insight thank you!

Andrew, you're sure right about country music being “hurtin'” mostly, and “feeding” moods and our subconscious.

Right now, I'm drinking in some very delightful classical music on cbc radio2

Love,

Nicole

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Andrew, I think you hit on the key to my concern-  even if I feel positive while listening to the music, is there something subliminal going on?  Am I buying into a low energy level without being consciously aware of it?  Over the years, I have quit listening to heavy metal, and now mostly listen to old country and classical, with my current favorite being the waltzes of Strauss.  I try to cut things out of my life  that I think may have low energy associated with them.  I have definitely changed my TV and movie habits due to how some shows left me feeling.  I used to be a big horror fan, but found myself feeling increasingly disturbed.  Of course I wonder what impact our current offering of TV and movies with increasingly high levels of violence does to our collective consciousness.

Its easy to avoid stuff where you can feel the low energy, but I just wonder about the subliminal impact that may be “below” my current ability to perceive.

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it's my contention that human beings are being manipulated on every level by a higher malignant intelligence. the entertainment industry has by no means gone untouched by this coersion. certainly neither has religion, but that is another thread….

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all the more reason for the good guys to keep creating the good stuff, andrew.

So, how is it going? Any new songs on the way?

Peace,

Nicole

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hi nicole, i've kind of been in a very deep depression in the last couple of weeks. sometimes i feel the weight of the world on my shoulders along with the psychic dissonance of why so many people on this world think that god is such a mean spirited tyrant. better not to believe in god then think of 'it' in that way, in my opinion…..

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Hi andrew,

You made reference to the subtle and not so subtle occultic influence in music,

How widespread do you think it is? Is all music tainted?

These days I mainly listen to Oriental influenced instrumental stuff such as Kitaro and relaxing classic and Celtic material by the likes of Enya.

an eccentric Aussie

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oh andrew, sorry to hear about your depression.Hope you continue feeling better and that the muse returns soon. I do enjoy your music.

As for me, I'm just getting back into work mode after a lovely relaxing two weeks off work.

Andrew, I am very fond of Celtic-inspired music as well, for example Loreena McKennitt.

Love,

Nicole

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thx. nicole, i'm aware that i'm not really a solo artist, but i didn't want to stop playing music completely, so i went this route soz that i could still have a creative outlet……..

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Yes, it goes beyond physics, and beyond genre. At one time Christian kids were told that rock music was “evil” - now there are many Christian artists exploring just about every type of music.

Peace,

Nicole

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oh, and about the Columbine shootings, andrew, as you said, I couldn't find any references in the mainstream news to the Christian targeting aspect, but I did find this provocative blog claiming that the opposite of martyrdom actually happened.  Columbine's Christian Martyrdom Never Happened

Peace,

Nicole

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hi nicole, you might be surprised to hear that i agree with that article to a point. let me see if i can explain. i believe that jesus willingly gave up his live, so to me, he was a true martyr……

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Right, I agree with your distinction between hate crimes and martyring, but the point of the article I linked was that they were not actually targeting Christians.

Anyway, the point you raise about hate music is a much more important one. Should we draw the line? If so, how? Censorship usually has an effect opposite to that intended, creating heroes out of nowhere and ensuring a very high distribution of the forbidden material.

Peace,

Nicole

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the article is 100% wrong on that issue also:)

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ok :)

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I don't think there's a happy ending to this line of thought.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redres of grievances.

Constitution of the United States (1787), First Amendment (1791).

How did a law get passed preventing prayer in schools?

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Ah, Andrew, that's a long story. A few links:

Chronology

The Case Against School Prayer

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Wow… I think I'm converted… Thanks Nicole.

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This very same question has been circling my mind for awhile now.  I am so glad you shared.  Music and lyrics affect me emotionally, in a way that I find it very challenging to stay in a 'positive' mind or mode of attraction - unless of course it is a very uplifting and inspiriational song.  It is our emotions, or our 'emotional guidance system' as coined by Abraham-Hicks that is our biological tool to let us know when we are in line with our desires or not, whether we are moving with downstream or upstream thoughts.  So, yes, I definitely think that music which feels negative to us can attract negativity into our lives…because if it conjures up negative feelings, and then negative thoughts, and then more negative feelings, and then more negative thoughts, …  it isn't long before we are feeling and thinking negatively, and then that becomes our current center of attraction.  I think masters can do, and listen to anything and everything and remain in their authentic self, connected to Source,,,but I am certainly not anywhere near mastery.  Instead I attempt to master moments as frequently as I can, and in doing so, I have found that I must go through my music selection, and upload to my Ipod, to start the new year off on the right track ….the title will be My Happy Moments. 

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i agree that it's a thorny issue and i certainly wouldn't advocate for more police state and more prisons over words………

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How do you legislate against artistic expression in a free society?

It's like capital punishment, SOMEONE has to make a decision based on legally definable guidelines and someone has to carry it out.

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Welcome to the discussion, inspiredmom!

Right, Andrew, it's just not doable. It seems it is up to us to make good choices and vote with our feet.

andrew, do you have a link for that story from the cbc? not sure which controversy here you mean - they are constant. :)

peace,

nicole