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Maslows Heirarchy of Needs

Enlightened.thinker said Aug 4, 2007, 7:37 PM:

 

Theory

One of the many interesting things Maslow noticed while he worked with monkeys early in his career, was that some needs take precedence over others.  For example, if you are hungry and thirsty, you will tend to try to take care of the thirst first.  After all, you can do without food for weeks, but you can only do without water for a couple of days!  Thirst is a “stronger” need than hunger.  Likewise, if you are very very thirsty, but someone has put a choke hold on you and you can't breath, which is more important?  The need to breathe, of course.  On the other hand, sex is less powerful than any of these.  Let's face it, you won't die if you don't get it!

Maslow took this idea and created his now famous hierarchy of needs. Beyond the details of air, water, food, and sex, he laid out five broader layers:  the physiological needs, the needs for safety and security, the needs for love and belonging, the needs for esteem, and the need to actualize the self, in that order.

1.  The physiological needs.  These include the needs we have for oxygen, water, protein, salt, sugar, calcium, and other minerals and vitamins.  They also include the need to maintain a pH balance (getting too acidic or base will kill you) and temperature (98.6 or near to it).  Also, there's the needs to be active, to rest, to sleep, to get rid of wastes (CO2,  sweat, urine, and feces), to avoid pain, and to have sex.  Quite a collection!

Maslow believed, and research supports him, that these are in fact individual needs, and that a lack of, say, vitamin C, will lead to a very specific hunger for things which have in the past provided that vitamin C – e.g. orange juice.  I guess the cravings that some pregnant women have, and the way in which babies eat the most foul tasting baby food, support the idea anecdotally.

2.  The safety and security needs.  When the physiological needs are largely taken care of, this second layer of needs comes into play.  You will become increasingly interested in finding safe circumstances, stability, protection.  You might develop a need for structure, for order, some limits.

Looking at it negatively, you become concerned, not with needs like hunger and thirst, but with your fears and anxieties.  In the ordinary American adult, this set of needs manifest themselves in the form of our urges to have a home in a safe neighborhood, a little job security and a nest egg, a good retirement plan and a bit of insurance, and so on.

3.  The love and belonging needs.  When physiological needs and safety needs are, by and large, taken care of, a third layer starts to show up.  You begin to feel the need for friends, a sweetheart, children, affectionate relationships in general, even a sense of community.  Looked at negatively, you become increasing susceptible to loneliness and social anxieties.

In our day-to-day life, we exhibit these needs in our desires to marry, have a family, be a part of a community, a member of a church, a brother in the fraternity, a part of a gang or a bowling club.  It is also a part of what we look for in a career.

4.  The esteem needs.  Next, we begin to look for a little self-esteem.  Maslow noted two versions of esteem needs, a lower one and a higher one.  The lower one is the need for the respect of others, the need for status, fame, glory, recognition, attention, reputation, appreciation, dignity, even dominance.  The higher form involves the need for self-respect, including such feelings as confidence, competence, achievement, mastery, independence, and freedom.  Note that this is the “higher” form because, unlike the respect of others, once you have self-respect, it's a lot harder to lose!

The negative version of these needs is low self-esteem and inferiority complexes.  Maslow felt that Adler was really onto something when he proposed that these were at the roots of many, if not most, of our psychological problems.  In modern countries, most of us have what we need in regard to our physiological and safety needs.  We, more often than not, have quite a bit of love and belonging, too.  It's a little respect that often seems so very hard to get!

All of the preceding four levels he calls deficit needs, or D-needs.  If you don't have enough of something – i.e. you have a deficit – you feel the need.  But if you get all you need, you feel nothing at all!  In other words, they cease to be motivating.  As the old blues song goes, “you don't miss your water till your well runs dry!”

He also talks about these levels in terms of homeostasis.  Homeostasis is the principle by which your furnace thermostat operates:  When it gets too cold, it switches the heat on;  When it gets too hot, it switches the heat off.  In the same way, your body, when it lacks a certain substance, develops a hunger for it;  When it gets enough of it, then the hunger stops.  Maslow simply extends the homeostatic principle to needs, such as safety, belonging, and esteem, that we don't ordinarily think of in these terms.

Maslow sees all these needs as essentially survival needs.  Even love and esteem are needed for the maintenance of health.  He says we all have these needs built in to us genetically, like instincts.  In fact, he calls them instinctoid – instinct-like – needs.

In terms of overall development, we move through these levels a bit like stages.  As newborns, our focus (if not our entire set of needs) is on the physiological.  Soon, we begin to recognize that we need to be safe.  Soon after that, we crave attention and affection.  A bit later, we look for self-esteem.  Mind you, this is in the first couple of years!

Under stressful conditions, or when survival is threatened, we can “regress” to a lower need level.  When you great career falls flat, you might seek out a little attention.  When your family ups and leaves you, it seems that love is again all you ever wanted.  When you face chapter eleven after a long and happy life, you suddenly can't think of anything except money.

These things can occur on a society-wide basis as well:  When society suddenly flounders, people start clamoring for a strong leader to take over and make things right.  When the bombs start falling, they look for safety.  When the food stops coming into the stores, their needs become even more basic.

Maslow suggested that we can ask people for their ”philosophy of the future” – what would their ideal life or world be like – and get significant information as to what needs they do or do not have covered.

If you have significant problems along your development – a period of extreme insecurity or hunger as a child, or the loss of a family member through death or divorce, or significant neglect or abuse – you may “fixate” on that set of needs for the rest of your life.

This is Maslow's understanding of neurosis.  Perhaps you went through a war as a kid. Now you have everything your heart needs – yet you still find yourself obsessing over having enough money and keeping the pantry well-stocked.  Or perhaps your parents divorced when you were young.  Now you have a wonderful spouse – yet you get insanely jealous or worry constantly that they are going to leave you because you are not “good enough” for them.  You get the picture.

Self-actualization

The last level is a bit different.  Maslow has used a variety of terms to refer to this level:  He has called it growth motivation (in contrast to deficit motivation), being needs (or B-needs, in contrast to D-needs), and self-actualization.

These are needs that do not involve balance or homeostasis.  Once engaged, they continue to be felt.  In fact, they are likely to become stronger as we “feed” them!  They involve the continuous desire to fulfill potentials, to “be all that you can be.”  They are a matter of becoming the most complete, the fullest, “you” – hence the term, self-actualization.

Now, in keeping with his theory up to this point, if you want to be truly self-actualizing, you need to have your lower needs taken care of, at least to a considerable extent.  This makes sense:  If you are hungry, you are scrambling to get food;  If you are unsafe, you have to be continuously on guard;  If you are isolated and unloved, you have to satisfy that need;  If you have a low sense of self-esteem, you have to be defensive or compensate.  When lower needs are unmet, you can't fully devote yourself to fulfilling your potentials.

It isn't surprising, then, the world being as difficult as it is, that only a small percentage of the world's population is truly, predominantly, self-actualizing.  Maslow at one point suggested only about two percent!

The question becomes, of course, what exactly does Maslow mean by self-actualization.  To answer that, we need to look at the kind of people he called self-actualizers.  Fortunately, he did this for us, using a qualitative method called biographical analysis.

He began by picking out a group of people, some historical figures, some people he knew, whom he felt clearly met the standard of self-actualization.  Included in this august group were Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Albert Einstein, Eleanor Roosevelt, Jane Adams, William James, Albert Schweitzer, Benedict Spinoza, and Alduous Huxley, plus 12 unnamed people who were alive at the time Maslow did his research.  He then looked at their biographies, writings, the acts and words of those he knew personally, and so on.  From these sources, he developed a list of qualities that seemed characteristic of these people, as opposed to the great mass of us.

These people were reality-centered, which means they could differentiate what is fake and dishonest from what is real and genuine.  They were problem-centered, meaning they treated life's difficulties as problems demanding solutions, not as personal troubles to be railed at or surrendered to.  And they had a different perception of means and ends.  They felt that the ends don't necessarily justify the means, that the means could be ends themselves, and that the means – the journey – was often more important than the ends.

The self-actualizers also had a different way of relating to others.  First, they enjoyed solitude, and were comfortable being alone.    And they enjoyed deeper personal relations with a few close friends and family members, rather than more shallow relationships with many people.

They enjoyed autonomy, a relative independence from physical and social needs.  And they resisted enculturation, that is, they were not susceptible to social pressure to be “well adjusted” or to “fit in” – they were, in fact, nonconformists in the best sense.

They had an unhostile sense of humor – preferring to joke at their own expense, or at the human condition, and never directing their humor at others.  They had a quality he called acceptance of self and others, by which he meant that these people would be more likely to take you as you are than try to change you into what they thought you should be.  This same acceptance applied to their attitudes towards themselves:  If some quality of theirs wasn't harmful, they let it be, even enjoying it as a personal quirk.  On the other hand, they were often strongly motivated to change negative qualities in themselves that could be changed.  Along with this comes spontaneity and simplicity:  They preferred being themselves rather than being pretentious or artificial.  In fact, for all their nonconformity, he found that they tended to be conventional on the surface, just where less self-actualizing nonconformists tend to be the most dramatic.

Further, they had a sense of humility and respect towards others – something Maslow also called democratic values – meaning that they were open to ethnic and individual variety, even treasuring it.  They had a quality Maslow called human kinship or Gemeinschaftsgefühl social interest, compassion, humanity.  And this was accompanied by a strong ethics, which was spiritual but seldom conventionally religious in nature.

And these people had a certain freshness of appreciation, an ability to see things, even ordinary things, with wonder.  Along with this comes their ability to be creative, inventive, and original.  And, finally, these people tended to have more peak experiences than the average person.  A peak experience is one that takes you out of yourself, that makes you feel very tiny, or very large, to some extent one with life or nature or God.  It gives you a feeling of being a part of the infinite and the eternal.  These experiences tend to leave their mark on a person, change them for the better, and many people actively seek them out.  They are also called mystical experiences, and are an important part of many religious and philosophical traditions.

Maslow doesn't think that self-actualizers are perfect, of course.  There were several flaws or imperfections he discovered along the way as well:  First, they often suffered considerable anxiety and guilt – but realistic anxiety and guilt, rather than misplaced or neurotic versions.  Some of them were absentminded and overly kind.  And finally, some of them had unexpected moments of ruthlessness, surgical coldness, and loss of humor.

Two other points he makes about these self-actualizers:  Their values were “natural” and seemed to flow effortlessly from their personalities.  And they appeared to transcend many of the dichotomies others accept as being undeniable, such as the differences between the spiritual and the physical, the selfish and the unselfish, and the masculine and the feminine.

Metaneeds and metapathologies

Another way in which Maslow approach the problem of what is self-actualization is to talk about the special, driving needs (B-needs, of course) of the self-actualizers.  They need the following in their lives in order to be happy:

Truth, rather than dishonesty.
Goodness, rather than evil.
Beauty, not ugliness or vulgarity.
Unity, wholeness, and transcendence of opposites, not arbitrariness or forced choices.
Aliveness, not deadness or the mechanization of life.
Uniqueness, not bland uniformity.
Perfection and necessity, not sloppiness, inconsistency, or accident.
Completion, rather than incompleteness.
Justice and order, not injustice and lawlessness.
Simplicity, not unnecessary complexity.
Richness, not environmental impoverishment.
Effortlessness, not strain.
Playfulness, not grim, humorless, drudgery.
Self-sufficiency, not dependency.
Meaningfulness, rather than senselessness.

At first glance, you might think that everyone obviously needs these.  But think:  If you are living through an economic depression or a war, or are living in a ghetto or in rural poverty, do you worry about these issues, or do you worry about getting enough to eat and a roof over your head?  In fact, Maslow believes that much of the what is wrong with the world comes down to the fact that very few people really are interested in these values – not because they are bad people, but because they haven't even had their basic needs taken care of!

When a self-actualizer doesn't get these needs fulfilled, they respond with metapathologies – a list of problems as long as the list of metaneeds!  Let me summarize it by saying that, when forced to live without these values, the self-actualizer develops depression, despair, disgust,alienation, and a degree of cynicism.

Maslow hoped that his efforts at describing the self-actualizing person would eventually lead to a “periodic table” of the kinds of qualities, problems, pathologies, and even solutions characteristic of higher levels of human potential.  Over time, he devoted increasing attention, not to his own theory, but to humanistic psychology and the human potentials movement.

Toward the end of his life, he inaugurated what he called the fourth force in psychology:  Freudian and other “depth” psychologies constituted the first force;  Behaviorism was the second force;  His own humanism, including the European existentialists, were the third force.  The fourth force was the transpersonal psychologies which, taking their cue from Eastern philosophies, investigated such things as meditation, higher levels of consciousness, and even parapsychological phenomena.  Perhaps the best known transpersonalist today is Ken Wilber, author of such books as The Atman Project and The History of Everything.



Discussion

Maslow has been a very inspirational figure in personality theories.  In the 1960's in particular, people were tired of the reductionistic, mechanistic messages of the behaviorists and physiological psychologists.  They were looking for meaning and purpose in their lives, even a higher, more mystical meaning.  Maslow was one of the pioneers in that movement to bring the human being back into psychology, and the person back into personality!

At approximately the same time, another movement was getting underway, one inspired by some of the very things that turned Maslow off:  computers and information processing, as well as very rationalistic theories such as Piaget's cognitive development theory and Noam Chomsky's linguistics.  This, of course, became the cognitive movement in psychology.  As the heyday of humanism appeared to lead to little more than drug abuse, astrology,  and self indulgence, cognitivism provided the scientific ground students of psychology were yearning for.

But the message should not be lost:  Psychology is, first and foremost, about people, real people in real lives, and not about computer models, statistical analyses, rat behavior, test scores, and laboratories.

Some criticism

The “big picture” aside, there are a few criticisms we might direct at Maslow's theory itself.  The most common criticism concerns his methodology:  Picking a small number of people that he himself declared self-actualizing, then reading about them or talking with them, and coming to conclusions about what self-actualization is in the first place does not sound like good science to many people.

In his defense, I should point out that he understood this, and thought of his work as simply pointing the way.  He hoped that others would take up the cause and complete what he had begun in a more rigorous fashion.  It is a curiosity that Maslow, the “father” of American humanism, began his career as a behaviorist with a strong physiological bent.  He did indeed believe in science, and often grounded his ideas in biology.  He only meant to broaden psychology to include the best in us, as well as the pathological!

Another criticism, a little harder to respond to, is that Maslow placed such constraints on self-actualization.  First, Kurt Goldstein and Carl Rogers used the phrase to refer to what every living creature does:  To try to grow, to become more, to fulfill its biological destiny.  Maslow limits it to something only two percent of the human species achieves.  And while Rogers felt that babies were the best examples of human self-actualization, Maslow saw it as something achieved only rarely by the young.

Another point is that he asks that we pretty much take care of our lower needs before self-actualization comes to the forefront.  And yet we can find many examples of people who exhibited at very least aspects of self-actualization who were far from having their lower needs taken care of.  Many of our best artists and authors, for example, suffered from poverty, bad upbringing, neuroses, and depression.  Some could even be called psychotic!  If you think about Galileo, who prayed for ideas that would sell, or Rembrandt, who could barely keep food on the table, or Toulouse Lautrec, whose body tormented him, or van Gogh, who, besides poor, wasn't quite right in the head, if you know what I mean…  Weren't these people engaged in some form of self-actualization?  The idea of artists and poets and philosophers (and psychologists!) being strange is so common because it has so much truth to it!

We also have the example of a number of people who were creative in some fashion even while in concentration camps.  Trachtenberg, for example, developed a new way of doing arithmetic in a camp.  Viktor Frankl developed his approach to therapy while in a camp.  There are many more examples.

And there are examples of people who were creative when unknown, became successful only to stop being creative.  Ernest Hemingway, if I'm not mistaken, is an example.  Perhaps all these examples are exceptions, and the hierarchy of needs stands up well to the general trend.  But the exceptions certainly do put some doubt into our minds.

I would like to suggest a variation on Maslow's theory that might help.  If we take the idea of actualization as Goldstein and Rogers use it, i.e. as the “life force” that drives all creatures, we can also acknowledge that there are various things that interfere with the full effectiveness of that life force.  If we are deprived of our basic physical needs, if we are living under threatening circumstances, if we are isolated from others, or if we have no confidence in our abilities, we may continue to survive, but it will not be as fulfilling a live as it could be.  We will not be fully actualizing our potentials!  We could even understand that there might be people that actualize despite deprivation!  If we take the deficit needs as subtracting from actualization, and if we talk about full self-actualization rather than self-actualization as a separate category of need, Maslow's theory comes into line with other theories, and the exceptional people who succeed in the face of adversity can be seen as heroic rather than freakish abberations.



I received the following email from Gareth Costello of Dublin, Ireland, which balances my somewhat negative review of Maslow:

One mild criticism I would have is of your concluding assessment, where you appeal for a broader view of self-actualisation that could include subjects such as van Gogh and other hard-at-heel intellectual/creative giants. This appears to be based on a view that people like van Gogh, etc. were, by virtue of their enormous creativity, 'at least partly' self-actualised.

I favour Maslow's more narrow definition of self-actualisation and would not agree that self-actualisation equates with supreme self-expression. I suspect that self-actualisation is, often, a demotivating factor where artistic creativity is concerned, and that artists such as van Gogh thrived (artistically, if not in other respects) specifically in the absence of circumstances conducive to self-actualisation. Even financially successful artists (e.g. Stravinsky, who was famously good at looking after his financial affairs, as well as affairs of other kinds) do exhibit some of the non-self-actualised 'motivators' that you describe so well.

Self-actualisation implies an outwardness and openness that contrasts with the introspection that can be a pre-requisite for great artistic self-expression. Where scientists can look out at the world around them to find something of profound or universal significance, great artists usually look inside themselves to find something of personal significance - the universality of their work is important but secondary. It's interesting that Maslow seems to have concentrated on people concerned with the big-picture when defining self-actualisation. In Einstein, he selected a scientist who was striving for a theory of the entire physical universe. The philosophers and politicians he analysed were concerned with issues of great relevance to humanity.

This is not to belittle the value or importance of the 'small-picture' - society needs splitters as well as lumpers. But while self-actualisation may be synonymous with psychological balance and health, it does not necessarily lead to professional or creative brilliance in all fields. In some instances, it may remove the driving force that leads people to excel – art being the classic example. So I don't agree that the scope of self-actualisation should be extended to include people who may well have been brilliant, but who were also quite possibly damaged, unrounded or unhappy human beings.

If I had the opportunity to chose between brilliance (alone) or self-actualisation (alone) for my children, I would go for the latter!

Gareth makes some very good points!
  GDW : GDW

Re: Maslows Heirarchy of Needs

GDW said Aug 5, 2007, 12:06 AM:

 

Any chance of getting a synopsis.

Not a fan of psychology, I believe most of our modern day mental illness' are a result of the modern industrial lifestyles that we choose to live over peaceful 'now'.

This is my psychology at the moment…

If you feel it in your stomach, it's a fight or flight situation ie car accident.
If you feel it in your heart, it's probably intuition; go with that feeling.
If you think it at the back of your head, you're working it through very slowly.
If you think it at the front of your head, stop now, you're buring energy, go and sit or lie down for minute, get a cup of tea, because nothing you say from these thoughts will amount to anything substantial.

This post came from heart and back of head.

 

Re: Maslows Heirarchy of Needs

Dave [no longer around] said Aug 5, 2007, 3:01 AM:

 
This post came from nowhere.

I was wandering…

…how is Maslows Heirarchy relevant, in your eyes, when it comes to improving the world as we see it today?

Is it not, perhaps, outdated?

Just a query…

  Enlightened.thinker : Light-plerker

Re: Maslows Heirarchy of Needs

Enlightened.thinker said Aug 5, 2007, 3:24 AM:

 

GW, like and honor your psychology…and yes Zazen this is probably outdated but how can we move this forward to suggest a new hierarchy of needs. In an attempt to effect a paradigm shift, we need not reinvent the wheel..

for instance, Keith and I were at a low point several years ago and found ourself wanting to integrate more spiritual beliefs in order to effect a change in our lives. Problem was we were at the base level of need. We had no home, job, and were at survival level. Until ones basic needs are met, it is difficult to be able to focus on higher principles.

Is not the world in a similar situation today…are the world's needs being met…are we not in many areas of the world operating in a survival mode?

What can we do to effect the change to uplift humanity when part of the world is struggling to live due to famine, war and drought?

How can the needs of the world be met so all people can self actualize?

  GDW : GDW

Re: Maslows Heirarchy of Needs

GDW said Aug 5, 2007, 4:15 AM:

 

Yeah, I see where you are coming from now….a new hierarchy or the acceptance of a natural hierarchy.

In an attempt to bring this post back down to my level; obviously food, shelter and clothing are number one.

  Enlightened.thinker : Light-plerker

Re: Maslows Hierarchy of Needs

Enlightened.thinker said Aug 5, 2007, 5:35 AM:

 

Hi GW:

Yes, they are for everyone, for until that need is met, one cannot focus on other levels of needs..

The ideal for the upliftment of the planet to a new paradigm is to fill that need globally and then and only then can we hope for a planetary change to come from a more cohesive level of conciousness.

for total “saturation” of  peace, love, understanding et al, we need to be fed, clothed and sheltered first, then we have other things we can focus on…and are not just struggling to survive at a base level.

  GDW : GDW

Re: Maslows Hierarchy of Needs

GDW said Aug 5, 2007, 5:50 AM:

 

It's hard to be positive with this one. I'm thinking third world/industrialized world/the G word/Trickle effect/Balance.

With respect to the needs of the community, they must be met by the community. The elders of the community really need to be on their toes when it comes to development.

  Enlightened.thinker : Light-plerker

Re: Maslows Hierarchy of Needs

Enlightened.thinker said Aug 5, 2007, 6:40 AM:

 

Yup, I agree and obviously many either aren't or cannot conceive of a way to make this all work…it needs more of a global commitment, and to take some of the “war” money and make peace with it!

Shifting in vision is necessary…and in intent!

 

Re: Maslows Hierarchy of Needs

C A M E L O T [no longer around] said Aug 5, 2007, 10:29 AM:

 

Maslow (along with Jean Piaget and Loevinger et al) was instrumental in allowing us a peak into what could be described (in a 3rd person pov) what 'goes on' in the developmental stages - Along with Spiral Dynamics(i) as furthered by Don Beck and Ken Wilber, we see a great model for mapping human unfolding - no wonder Nelson Mendela, Bill Clinton and Tony Blair are all studying the SDi model right now.

Personally these maps helped me a great deal to understand my world. I would have gone mad with ignorance without them.

  Zakariyya : Revealer

Re: Maslows Hierarchy of Needs

Zakariyya said Aug 5, 2007, 10:37 AM:

 

Unfortunately all these theories of development by these individuals basically are very similar, and none of them are at all scientific, as none of them have contributed anything to psychology, in terms of their therapeutic value, or their value in terms of getting knowledge of the mind.

Thats my view

 

Re: Maslows Hierarchy of Needs

C A M E L O T [no longer around] said Aug 5, 2007, 11:04 AM:

 

Wilber lists extensive tests at the shambala website. Perhaps you need to take a closer look at these models.

  Zakariyya : Revealer

Re: Maslows Hierarchy of Needs

Zakariyya said Aug 5, 2007, 11:23 AM:

 

  

A well known philosopher said to a well known psychologist:


“Amazing how the mind works”


The psychologist said in return:


“Amazing how the mind doesn't work”



Tests for what?


I look at the condition of the world, and the fact that when you go to a psychologist or psychiatrist ALL THEY DO is give you some drugs. Another thing if all these theories are so wonderful, then why do they give kids Prozac?



Any “tests” Ken Wilber has don't mean much to the real world, my friend.


My point is that all these theories are meaningless unless they translate into something of substance for human beings, in my view.


I don't think they are bad or anything wrong with them it is that they have no substance, as of yet.


I wish and hope that some of them including Wilber's theories would produce something with practical value, not just make some middle class philosopher's and psychologist rich and famous.

  Monica : Yogic Mystic

Re: Maslows Hierarchy of Needs

Monica said Aug 6, 2007, 4:15 PM:

 

I wanted to weigh in on the practical aspects of Maslow's theory.  There are a few other motivation theories that run in a similar vein out there.

We use these theories very extensively in organizational theory and for understanding and developing plans for employee motivation.

Manslow has two critical points to learn from

1)  You  must meet the lowest level needs before people become interested in higher level needs.

For instance, if you have a country where everyone is starving, no one is going to be interested in much more than food.

2)  Once basic needs are met, they are no longer motivators, for instance, some employees, once they hit a certain financial threshold, are less motivated by money and more motivated by job satisfaction and learning and growth opportunities.

In our example above, once you've solved the problem of food, shelter, clothing, reproduction, then people are reaching for that self-actualization goal.

Very truthfully, I think that is at the heart of more problems in the world than item #1.  Many people are provided for, they have basic needs met, what they lack are outlets for self-actualization.

You are sitting around, bored, in the middle of a desert, you've got the basics covered, but you cannot strive towards anything higher, no jobs, no serious social outlets, no opportunities for progress and growth. 

This leaves people in a situation where they are looking to have this need met somehow.  (And if we take Manslow on face value, self-actualization is as motivating a need as food, etc..)  So is it surprising that people turn to extreme religious views and “holy wars” for an out?

This poses a challenge to us, of cultures rich with self-actualization: how do we really help the world?  Do they need food aid or do they really need a way to express themselves, succeed and grow.

   Meenakshi : Connection

Re: Maslows Heirarchy of Needs

Meenakshi said Aug 5, 2007, 11:28 AM:

 

Maslow's heirarchy has been one of my favorite subjects in college; and what I used as a starting point in the days I would train people in qualitative research.

When I got into healing and meditation, I wrote a piece that I kept thinking I'd elaborate on. It's there - but not in black and white yet.

So I post it here for your perusal; and whatever comments may come! Won't be surprised if I comment as well!
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THE CHAKRAS

from Parenting the Whole Child ~Meenakshi
http://www.geocities.com/holistic-life/parentchakra.html

Chakras, or wheels, are like energy fields within our consciousness. They are not physical, but are located around physical parts of the body, and influence our physical, mental, emotional and psychological state.
It is interesting to see how the chakras correspond to the widely-used Maslow's pyramid of needs.

Chakras Chakras Maslow'sMaslow's Pyramid of Needs

As we can see, the chakras extend to levels beyond Maslow's heirarchy.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  Keith : Gentle Soul

Re: Maslows Heirarchy of Needs

Keith said Aug 5, 2007, 11:42 AM:

 

Wow!  I was going to chime in here and ask Johann to give us some links … but the posts are coming in so fast … can't keep up!!

Thank you guys for giving us the links!!  Always helpful.

  Traveling Alchemist : Meanderer

Re: Maslows Heirarchy of Needs

Traveling Alchemist said Aug 6, 2007, 5:34 PM:

 

In Bill Boyd's article “The Secret to Happiness and Maslow's Heirarchy”, he posits that if one remains in the 'needs deficit' place on the chart, always covering food, clothing, and shelter, self-actualization actually begins to take place within a person. He submits that we should maintain our lower level needs in order to find the pathway to the higher levels.  It's an interesting perspective.  The entire article can be read here.

  helenrscp : Joy Within

Re: Maslows Heirarchy of Needs

helenrscp said Aug 7, 2007, 8:35 AM:

 

Enlightened Thinker…thank you for the excellent post.  I'd forgotten so much of Maslow's theory, so the primer was perfect.  I also think that it's an excellent starting point.

My feeling is that since we're still in the “pseudocommunity” stage as Traveling Alchemist pointed out (using Scott Peck's definitions) it's more important to bump up against each other than to come up with brilliant solutions.  I suggest we begin to acknowledge our different points of view…with as little attachment as possible. 

My point of view is simplistic (and admittedly self-serving):  Life is good…all is well.

How can that be when people are dying, suffering, starving, etc?

I want to integrate the truth that people are suffering with the truth that all is well…and with the truth that as I put on my oxygen mask first, I'm better able to help others to put on their oxygen masks (if that makes sense.)

If what I believe is true…that my thoughts are creative…that I am 100% responsible for my own life…then I choose to create an authentic and comfortable life for myself AND give (from the overflow) my own unique gifts to uplift others.  This pod is a way to uniquely contribute to solutions over time, if we stick with it.

I came to these conclusions over a period of years….after being in my head and intellect were no longer enough.  Then I started to realize that there were other intelligences (for want of a better word.)  I love the chakra diagram.

So now I believe very loosely in everything and at the same time, feel very ignorant.  I hope that makes me open enough to learn and grow as I run across new ideas.

With appreciation (lately I'm really concentrating on gratitude),
Helen