Gaia: Knights & Maidens of the Roundtable - Psychology

Re: Witnessing the miracle of birth.

http://vi-pak.gaia.com — Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:58:40 GMT

The emotions we have are just a response to a learned experience. Other who witness the birth could just a well be appalled or even get nauseated. The openness to the experience is all that needs to be present.

After the delivery of our last child, the 20 something hours of labor, my wife in a amazing feat of love, power, and tenacity, gave birth. I immediately broke down an cried. Oh not in sadness but in the miracle of the transformation of the female body and the new life now in our caring hands and a relief of the stress from the experience.

The hormones present in both the father and mother are largely responsible for the response. In the Bradly Method the whole process in to teach the father that he has an attachment to the child, even though he is not "carrying" the fetus.

Every father should attend the birth of their children's, to truly appreciate the value of life.

Josh

Re: Witnessing the miracle of birth.

Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:52:11 GMT

She is an amazing woman. Such a great gift that she gave to other. I don't know what to say... She's absolutely my hero.

Re: Witnessing the miracle of birth.

http://url.gaia.com — Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:23:54 GMT

...you may ask anything you feel like asking...no it didn't ...Emiy is a well balanced individual that got a lot of pride in giveing this precious gift...All chidren are ours !...

...thank you for asking...

Re: Witnessing the miracle of birth.

Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:35:41 GMT

Did that mess her up emotionally? may I ask.

Re: Witnessing the miracle of birth.

http://url.gaia.com — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:17:00 GMT

...I just got off the phone with Emily...she's one of my heros too...

...she explanes it as , "I have a womb for rent"...
...she loves kids ...she made like 25,000 with the first and put it all down on a house...then started a Day Care business...she's also taken in 2 foster kids...!!!...

...the pregnancies are'nt hers...neither the egg nor the sperm are related in any way...but it's not just a business propitition...we raised a very loveing careing person...(I am so proud,could you tell?)...she knows the importance of carrying the child in a loveing environment...

...you could say she's a zaadzter at heart...changeing the world one baby at a time...

Re: Witnessing the miracle of birth.

Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:03:33 GMT

"she is now carrying her second surrogate baby...the first was for a couple in Australia that couldn't carry a fetus to term...the one now is for a woman in N.Carolina that can't concieve..."

Hi Will, thanks for you reply so quickly. How does your daughter deal with the fact that she carrying someone else baby? How did she feel when she gave birth to someone else child? Is it hard? This is so fascinating; by all mean she's my hero.

Re: Witnessing the miracle of birth.

http://url.gaia.com — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:40:16 GMT

...I have 3 kids ...2 girls grown...1 boy 11...I watched each come into the world and cut the cord...my son's birth was witnessed by my daughters and my mother-in-law...these were all spiritual experiences...the youngest daughter ,Emily,24 has given me 2 granddaughters...she is now carrying her second surrogate baby...the first was for a couple in Australia that couldn't carry a fetus to term...the one now is for a woman in N.Carolina that can't concieve...

...I still can't get over the fact that a new soul and divine entity can come through another humansoul...this is indeed a miracle...Life should Never be taken for granted...it is indeed a precious gift...

Witnessing the miracle of birth.

Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:24:00 GMT

In 1994, my wife and I attended the Lamaze or Childbirth class to prepare for our first born child. We watched a series of Childbirth videos. Each childbirth experience brought tears to everyone eyes that attended the class, such beauty that everyone witnessed despite of the bloody glory fact. Most of us were brand new to this experience, we were the first time yet to be parent, so what make us feel the deep emotion by just witnessing a childbirth experience without the first hand experience? Does anyone know why? or does anyone have this experience to share?

Belief and knowledge

http://goodworld.gaia.com — Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:09:29 GMT

Tuan posted the question "Is Science a cult?" on the sciences board. After some discussion it became evident that the question is best explored on this board or/and in Philosophy.

This subject belongs to the theory of knowledge, epistemology. Serious thinking will be aided by investigating the work of one of the great, if not the greatest, modern philosophers of science, Karl Popper (see among other works his Conjectures And Refutations).

Re: Cognitive Dissonance

http://Meenakshi.gaia.com — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:03:35 GMT

Awareness as J Krishnamurthy described it, could do it - when we watch, without judging, intellectualising, categorizing, trying to grasp or understand or remember - he would say [and this is from memories of youthful listening to him] : "Just WATCH yourself. And in that watching, it will disappear."

Zakariyya, you wrote: "The great inner battle is the realization that we can't have all these dissonant desires in us and become balanced, something has to give, and some inner impulses have to be dealt with or in some cases conquered."

You're right, cognitive dissonance cannot be tackled at the intellectual level; it has to be tackled by rising above it. I have found compassion, that we are discussing on another thread, to be an energy that helps us to transcend and transmute; so that we don't only conquer, but transmute the energies into balance.

Re: Cognitive Dissonance

http://perfectcircle.gaia.com — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:39:25 GMT

This underlying idea of this concept seems to be conflict. Conflict is two different energies going in opposite directions thereby producing imbalance in the organism.

This is natural to man's disunified condition. What must be done is not only self knowledge but when it is realized by the person that they have negative energy inside them they must be willing to confront it, on all levels.

In other words we could intellectually desire to extricate ourselves from something but on other levels still don't have the desire or energy to be free from it. That's a big problem. It's sort of like being addicted to something; I could recall my old drug days we would get high and sit around contemplating what we would do when we stopped this habit. We wanted to stop but couldn't until a greater part of our being wanted to stop other than our mind.

The great inner battle is the realization that we can't have all these dissonant desires in us and become balanced, something has to give, and some inner impulses have to be dealt with or in some cases conquered. And that's the struggle the human organism has to face.

Re: Cognitive Dissonance

http://Meenakshi.gaia.com — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:09:36 GMT

Shadow-- yes; I'm sure it does. Good putting these two together. After all, the dissonance only exposes the two conflicting beliefs that were so far co-existing without knowing the existence of the other.
Grt insight, Aley.

As to the mechanics - I think the shadow here is the non-connection we have to our center; which is why one "part" of us is unaware of what the other "part" is doing.

Re: Cognitive Dissonance

http://joy-within.gaia.com — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:54:35 GMT

Wow! I just listened to the link...amazing!!

Re: Cognitive Dissonance

http://enlightenedthinker.gaia.com — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:13:41 GMT

Seems like this is something everyone suffers from and must have to deal with all the time?

Am reading up on it and wonder, as mentioned if it has to do with shadow?

Re: Cognitive Dissonance

http://katrinamae.gaia.com — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:28:08 GMT

The Avatar exercises that I've recently been introduced to have been really great at exposing me to the contradictions in my beliefs - or, really, just what exactly my beliefs even are that I am operating out of. (I actually met a person who teaches it, Summer, on Zaadz, so she is on my friends list, if you wanna know more.)

Re: Cognitive Dissonance

http://Meenakshi.gaia.com — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:00:21 GMT

Dissonance points out areas in our thought process that are not clear; and are at odds with each other.

The question is, how do we get out of dissonance?

Re: Cognitive Dissonance

http://enlightenedthinker.gaia.com — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:19:54 GMT

WOW...I want to learn more about this as I see it all over....

lets get some more dialog on this please!

Re: Cognitive Dissonance

http://Meenakshi.gaia.com — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:04:56 GMT

Good topic AnyaTara. I feel another way out of cognitive dissonance is to watch the sometimes opposing ideas we hold on many issues. Sometimes one dominates, and sometimes another - and that can lead to dissonance.

Like I have a belief in freedom of choice and also a belief that work should be efficient. When I see that those around me are not working efficiently, and step in to help them improve their work, even if at first they resist, there's a great dissonance in me about stepping into their freedom!

Re: Johari Window

http://enlightenedthinker.gaia.com — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:56:03 GMT

Meenakshi this is great...I have never seen it and it explains much of the reasons our buttons get pushed... The other thing I see clearly is that when something makes us uncomfortable or is painful it is something we REALLY need to explore about ourselves and past conditioning and experiences. Growth must come first in the individual, then it can come to a group. how can we use this to explore ourselves and then the group? Should we all write down our answers individually, and share what we find if we are comfortable doing so? and it is in no way indicated if the experience will embarass or upset the person, but in doing so privately, we get a handle on our issues? Many thanks! Aley

Re: Johari Window

http://Meenakshi.gaia.com — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:29:33 GMT

Well of course, I headed the window wrong:

KNOWN TO ME

NOT KNOWN TO ME

KNOWN TO YOU

1.OPEN

What you know about me, and I know about myself

2.BLIND

What you know about me, but I don’t know about myself

NOT KNOWN TO YOU

3.HIDDEN

What you don’t know about me but I know about myself

4.UNKNOWN

What neither you nor I know about me