Gaia: Knights & Maidens of the Roundtable - Read First and Refer Back Often - Primary Objective

Re: Primary Objective

http://goodworld.gaia.com — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:27:06 GMT

Thank you, Keith, for the reminder. It is our pod---to use the original Zaadz terminology.

However, thanks are due to Keith for setting it up for us in the first place.

Also remember to think of which "sector" is our main interest and which other sectors are our affiliated or related interests.
My home is, for example, economic (spiritual economics, to avoid misunderstanding). But related homes are philosophy, politics (governance) and education.

This is something to do with the "holistic methodology" required by a new investigative pradigm.

Re: Primary Objective

http://goodworld.gaia.com — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:17:55 GMT

And a faithful watcher, thank you.
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This is what could be:

and this may be the process:

Re: Primary Objective

http://Domus-ulixes.gaia.com — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:49:01 GMT

hihi, I like the video.
Though I do not agree that capitalism is obsolete as a system.
I do agree that a new social system is required in over capitalised area's like America.

It is a very good and clear video. Where can I download it?

Re: Primary Objective

http://keithb7862.gaia.com — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 23:22:58 GMT

I just completed the video and am astounded by the attention to detail.

Would advise others to view with an open mind, as it might appear too science fiction. But realize while watching the video or reading their material that all the technology and material needed to turn this into reality . . . is already here!!!

There will be, I can easily see, much resistance to this by those who are entrenched in the old system. I would offer that this may be our future, but not our immediate future . . . unless . . . there was a total collapse of our present economy and government, world-wide.

Is this what Universe has in store for us? Possible. I would argue, Janos, that this would require a complete change in our mind-set. Such changes normally occur over many, many years involving several generations. I love the concepts and the fact this is "off-the-shelf" ready to go today. I do. I think it's fantastic. But at the same time, this would be a massive, massive undertaking and require upending centuries of societal conditioning.

I joined, BTW. This needs to go viral, really. A bit over 300,000 members world-wide would definitely be enough to get a few pilot projects up and going, but many more would be needed before any kind of tipping point is reached.

I do agree with you about health delivery. I'm advocating change. I would, however, drop everything in a heartbeat and advocate this if things take a sudden downward turn and if there was more support from others.

Along this line, BTW, just read this morning that the largest country in the US state of Alabama is laying off two-thirds of all its employees due to lack of funds. This has been an on-going trend . . . and I only see it continuing. The state of California has been doing the same thing.

Are we seeing and will we be continuing to see governmental breakdown?

I think we will.

Re: Primary Objective

http://goodworld.gaia.com — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:40:54 GMT

...only the free market can do an efficient job of managing supply and demand...

This is the "market fundamentalist" stance. It is quite difficult to engage with because it has the characteristics of an article of faith. George Soros talks a lot about this in his critique of the current form of theory-dominated capitalism.

In my understanding, the theory fails to recognise that the market's supply and demand mechanism can see only "effective demand", demand backed by purchasing power.
Real demand, with no adequate dollars to give it a voice, goes unheard on the market.
Also, efficiency is overvalued in the market fundamentalist model and is taken to be the supreme and over riding factor and is forced into areas os social functionality like education and health where rigorous measurement is not possible without reducing human participants to things.
These schools of thoughts should take some lessons from living systems where a great deal of "redundancy" is tolerated in exchange for viability and stability.

Going back to health care, I just don't see why the general standard of health of the people should be subordinated to the calculations preformed by the a-human mechanism of market forces.
It may be true that bad doctors for example would eventually loose their practice for lack of clients, but our concern should be the waste and suffering before enough people relised that they should not go to him.

Of course the market would not be allowed to reign supreme like that. Legal action would be taken after the first few cases of malpractice. But that is just the point, the market forces cannot be left to their own devices where human well being and lives are at stake.

Re: Primary Objective

http://keithb7862.gaia.com — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:20:31 GMT

Your link, Janos, is missing. Here it is: The Zeitgeist Movement: Orientation Presentation .

I have a question: Today in the US we are neck-deep in debating health reform. The argument presented by those who are perfectly content with the status quo is that only the free market can do an efficient job of managing supply and demand, that "socialized medicine" doesn't work and is akin to being un-American.

If as being argued, the free market is the best manager of health delivery, then why, pray tell, has our system become so out of balance, priced itself essentially out of the market for increasing segments of the population, and is almost universally detested?

To those who would argue that "social management" (generically speaking) is abhorrant and will not work, how can our current capitalistic systems be supported, while the entire planet is experiencing such a severe recession which may in the future be labeled Great Depression II? Would this not be proof-positive that our systems should be reassessed? All the knobs, levers and buttons our leaders normally use to maintain continuity and balance simply . . . are not, and likely will not . . . work.

Any thoughts?

Re: Primary Objective

http://goodworld.gaia.com — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:02:14 GMT

Not quite sure how the threading works. This post should follow Michael's statement of preference for the Esoterics board.

The twelve modules or departments are of course need to converge to develop or identify resources to advance one common task the transformation of the troubled world we know into the Possible Good World (PGW).

So contributions need to qualify as a resource and, if needed, the sponsor may have to indicate (as Michael done in his post --- referenced) to the "collective" how it furthers overall task advancement.

Our goal is this:

Re: Primary Objective

http://goodworld.gaia.com — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:41:43 GMT

I wrote this entry before I watched The Zeitgeist Movement: Orientation Presentation which is a comprehensive systemic overview of what is wrong and how to put it right. The presentation at nearly an hour and forty minutes long. It is extracted from the more extensive "Activist Orientation Guide".

A highly recommendable presentation---"orientation" describes it perfectly. Well worth spending the time on.

This cartoon also sums up the change needed.

"Our Crisis is a birth"

Re: Primary Objective

http://goodworld.gaia.com — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:42:59 GMT

We are perfectly in alignment with the emerging Zeitgeist.

A frustrating experience, watching that film. Where do these well heeled beautiful people live?

Certainly not in the doorways of the homeless or in the starving refugee campls.

"The Good World is inevitable", we are told. It is happening. Help! I do not see it.

"There is often no greater obstackle to [improvement] than the assumption, even insistence, that it has been [or is being] attained."

Our Primary Objective

http://jlz.gaia.com — Mon, 03 Sep 2007 00:08:46 GMT

Hi http://primaryobjective.notlong.com is a 'neatened' & appropiate link straight to this thread from the outside matrix.

lite
ºjlz

Re: Primary Objective

http://goodworld.gaia.com — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:26:52 GMT

And very nice to have you around, too. Welcome Nzira.

Any positive attention "paid" to the contents here is appreciated and counts towards good karma :-).

Re: Primary Objective

http://jlz.gaia.com — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:57:27 GMT

Well I'm here also ... mainly watching.

http://nurseryexotica.net/ ... pets & pals : leaf-insects, tortoises, Baobab Tres, Moringa (!!!)

Lite

ºjlz

Re: Primary Objective

http://keithb7862.gaia.com — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:06:19 GMT

This is fine Katrina. Just a reminder, this is not "my" pod, nor does it belong to Janos.

This is "our" pod.

Re: Primary Objective

http://katrinamae.gaia.com — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:38:14 GMT

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=125351681

I'm sorry 'bout the previous post - for some reason, the formatting doesn't work on Zaadz, so above is a link to my Myspace page, whre I have a couple links that everyone can use to take some action.

One consists of six icons that has a link beneath them so you can bookmark it or whatever and help six different charities just by clicking on the icons (that's it - the advertising goes straight to the charities - all we do is click once a day!).

The other is Windows Live Messenger, where I'm personally helping refugee children every time I start an Instant Messenger conversation, but there are other charities you can choose from. If you already have Instant Messenger, you can still participate. Just go click on mine to get started.

Another is a "Prosper" icon, which is a person-to-person lending/borrowing site - some people don't condone loans/debt, but they can be very good leverage if used wisely, so I figured if anyone has a non-profit they've always wanted to start, or a small, conscious business, or whatever other creative ideas you can possibly think of to use money to fuel change and growth around the world, go for it.

(Keith, I thought the best place to post this would be here, since the focus is on knowledge and action?)

Re: Primary Objective

http://katrinamae.gaia.com — Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:28:53 GMT

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Re: Primary Objective

Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:53:11 GMT

Lol Keith. Funny you say that about the icosahedron because I only just learned about it before I made my post in the post you made of jano's documentation!

So, thank you Janos :P

I do agree with everything you have said also Keith.

Re: Primary Objective

http://keithb7862.gaia.com — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:51:07 GMT

Of course you are correct T.A. We can only control the world we live in.

Re: Primary Objective

http://sunight.gaia.com — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:56:46 GMT

In response to you Keith, we are not in control of the failure of the old paradigm, just as we are not in control of the new one. Our preparation here is not wasted, for we do have foresight. We are being called upon to be ready. Timing is perfect, so we will not be premature or overdue in our involvement. We have our fingers on the 'pulse' of the patient. The transformation will happen according to its right time.

Re: Primary Objective

http://environsand.gaia.com — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 04:04:00 GMT

I can agree on that Keith -
a premature baby is a gift and a
treasure and incubated correctly
grows into the most learned knowing
of us all.
We can begin like that and i feel we are in the
right environment here?

Re: Primary Objective

http://keithb7862.gaia.com — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:56:52 GMT

New word: icosahedron
                     noun
                     any polyhedron having twenty plane faces

                     From Dictionary.com

I'd not seen this word before, so thought I'd better look it up and post as others may not understand as well. GREAT WORD!!!!!! Thank you Bobby.

I feel this needs to be discussed. On the one hand, as stated, we certainly don't want to give birth prematurely, as this will certainly diminish the life-expectancy of any project.

However . . .

On the other hand, we have events occurring in the world today that suggest the old is quite literally coming apart . . . now . . . before our very eyes. Whether the fall begins Monday morning, or next week, or next month is not relevant. The old paradigm will fall. It's failing now. It must. It cannot be sustained. It has no energy to sustain it, which is why it's fighting so hard to stay alive. All the new energy has and is shifting back to the people, as highlighted in the short video The Shift linked above.

Mark my words on this . . . When the first major system collapses . . . a chain reaction will begin that cannot be stopped . . .

We always have choices. We can choose to wait, to debate, to merely sit here and talk and talk and talk. Until that first major collapse occurs, like the world financial markets for example, where we might be too late to affect meaningful change. Too little, too late. And all this will have been for naught. We're merely wasting our time and energy.

Or we can be ready . . . because we all know this change is coming. When it does start . . . it will be swift.

Should we not at the very least build an incubator so that if the birth must be induced prematurely we can increase the chances for life? Can we agree on that?