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DefinitionEnlightened.thinker said Aug 5, 2007, 3:46 AM: |
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wiki defines: Another possibility is that such knowledge may be kept secret not by the intention of its protectors, but by its very nature-for example, if it is accessible only to those with the proper intellectual background. |
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Re: DefinitionEnlightened.thinker said Aug 5, 2007, 6:01 AM: |
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Gem: Simplicity in esoteric thought is what makes student think they must be wrong…as they are told over an over again…things are more complicated by their knowitall professors! |
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Re: DefinitionEnlightened.thinker said Aug 5, 2007, 6:47 AM: |
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Re: DefinitionResurrected1 said Aug 5, 2007, 8:26 AM: |
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Knowledge is Power…just look at the Vatican and every one of your religious buildings…all built on Secrets and the wielding of that Power of Knowledge…. |
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Re: DefinitionKeith said Aug 5, 2007, 9:20 AM: |
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Ariela is correct. I am a 32 degree Mason and know the secrets. Thing is, there's nothing “secret” except the ways the information is presented and the communication between members. The Truths presented are universal, or becoming more and more so. |
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Re: DefinitionResurrected1 said Aug 5, 2007, 12:35 PM: |
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I like the wording of “Utilizing Intelligence”…Yes! That's what we need to do! Use what we know, instead of hoarding information hoping to have power over others, or feel we know something others don't…that's not right! |
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Re: DefinitionMeenakshi said Aug 5, 2007, 12:54 PM: |
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Great thread, all; and personally interesting to me [more of this later:] |
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Re: DefinitionWill said Aug 5, 2007, 1:11 PM: |
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…esoteric …hidden… |
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Re: DefinitionKeith said Aug 5, 2007, 2:09 PM: |
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Again, I see so much in agreement here. The time has come to open the door and let all knowledge spring forth freely. As Meenakshi states, the Internet has done just that. Now that it's already out … just someone attempt to put it back. There will be hell to pay if this were tried. |
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Re: DefinitionZakariyya said Aug 5, 2007, 3:44 PM: |
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Too much agreement sometimes is not good, sometimes it is good So I will throw a wrench in all this agreement. The reason why knowledge has been and still is hidden from the masses is based on this aphorism of Jesus that we all know: “Cast not peoples at the feet of swine” Humanity has already corrupted, perverted, distorted all the sacred knowledge given too him. You good people wont do that, I won't do that, but there are people who have done that Why do you people think these “swine” won't do the same? Though on one level, they say: The secret protects itself That is the level of monological knowledge, where only those who have done the work on themselves will attain the inward beauty. “The kingdom of god is within you” “He who knows himself knows his lord” But of course since I wrote a book revealing ALL the most important secrets of any importance, I may sound like a hypocrite. But no I am the revealer |
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Re: DefinitionKeith said Aug 5, 2007, 4:55 PM: |
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Revealer, you do bring up a valid point … to paraphrase … Would we give an automobile and the keys to a five-year-old? |
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Re: DefinitionKeith said Aug 5, 2007, 4:55 PM: |
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Revealer, you do bring up a valid point … to paraphrase … Would we give an automobile and the keys to a five-year-old? |
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Re: DefinitionZakariyya said Aug 5, 2007, 9:35 PM: |
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Here ar two examples of esoteric knowledge by two of our well known metaphysicians, who have hidden esoteric knowledge in well known aphorisms, the general public don't know, but now we will know. Jesus said: I and the father are one To interpret that on an esoteric level one does this: What does he really mean by the father esoterically? He is referring to the “father” as the “science of return to god” not tliterally the diety god. Which is an esoteric science, father being father Adam, and our liege lord in heaven. To be one with that science is required in mysticism because for one to develop spiritually one has to almost become the law of god, or dharma. The lower level exoteric interpretation is that he means literally being one with god, in reality impossibility. But as a [moral -we are all one teaching] that is an acceptable exoteric interpretation. Another one is this Muhammad said: Seek knowledge though it be in China On an exoteric level this means one should go anywhere to get knowledge But on an initiatory level [esoteric] China in Arabic mystical numerology [Abjad] means concentration. So Muhammad is saying to the esoterics of initiation Seek knowledge through meditative sciences |
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Re: DefinitionQuiche said Aug 8, 2007, 1:31 PM: |
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How can esoteric knowledge be available to the masses? |
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Re: DefinitionQuiche said Aug 10, 2007, 12:18 PM: |
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Tuan- It is not so much that they are hiding it, but most of us were taught at home, in church, and in school to believe in the paradigm- the only reality is what is visible or tangible, and that there are questions you just don't ask, and there are topics that are “dangerous” to explore- you might even go to Hell for it, so we were told. Had there not been folks that questioned the paradigm, we would still be told that the Earth was flat, that the planets and sun revolve around the Earth, and that our solar system is the only one. We now take for granted that the Earth is round, the planets revolve around the sun, and that we are only one solar system among an infinitude, but at one time, these notions bucked against the world paradigm, and were considered “heretical”, and many of these great thinkers feared for their lives for questioning the “known reality”. |
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Re: DefinitionMeenakshi said Aug 8, 2007, 7:21 PM: |
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“The Kabballahists speak of the white page between the black letters of ink in the Torah (literally: “read between the lines”, the familiar old cliche)” Quiche, this is so amazing! I was thinking of this as I drove this morning - when we write, is it really the space between words that is enlightening? Specially when we're writing black on white! |
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Re: DefinitionQuiche said Aug 10, 2007, 11:51 AM: |
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Meenakshi- Said Rabbi Isaac: “The Torah was manifested in a black fire which was superimposed upon a white fire, signifying that by means of the Torah the 'Right Hand' clasped the 'Left Hand' that the two might be fused, as it is written: from his right hand a fiery law to them. (Deut. 33:2). (Zohar, Shemoth, Section 2, Page 84a) The last portion of the Torah includes one of its more esoteric phrases -“eish da'at, the fiery law.” (Deuteronomy 33:2) The Midrash concludes that this phrase is a description of the Torah. In its words: “eish shahor al gabei eish lavan.” The Torah is written “black fire on white fire.” (Midrash Tanhuma, Genesis 1) What exactly does this mean? Rabbi Avi Weiss , Hebrew Institute of Riverdale, Bronx, NY http://www.hir.org/a_weekly_gallery/8.16.02-weekly.html Mysteries of the Kabbalah, Marc-Alain Ouaknin, trans. from the French by Josephine Bacon, Abbeville Press, New York.
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Re: DefinitionZakariyya said Aug 10, 2007, 5:58 PM: |
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es·o·ter·ic /ˌɛs əˈtɛr ɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[es-uh-ter-ik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation -adjective
Esoteric means inner. The real essential meaning of esoterica according to metaphysics is not this dictionary definition above. It has levels of meaning just like anything else The highest level meaning of esoterica is merely the knowledge [experience] transformation of the inner of an individual. This experience can't be given to another by someone else. The lowest forms of esoterica- exoteric/ esoteric can be given to anyone, as a theory, idea, information etc… So essentially high level esoterica is not just having exotic secret knowledge- that is the lowest level of it, the highest level means: the inner experience of the truth, which is totally inward to the individual something they cant share with another. That's the greatest secret The secret protects itself through this process |
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