Zeitgeist Film and Krishnamurti

I'm sure many here are aware of the footage included in Zeitgest Addendum

@ 1:57:14

I am struck that the Krishnamurti Foundation would allow rights to his footage considering how radical some of the ideas are in this film. I think the films intentions are good, but some of the suggestions right before Krishnamurti and throughout the film are extreme and unprovable IMHO.

Are they not in a sense advocating these concepts by allowing Krishnamurti footage to be used?

I think the value of the film is in the middle ground between its extremism and more moderate views. There's no way to confirm this stuff to begin with, which is dicey from the get go.

Why do they associate themselves with this film?

Dan

Re: Zeitgeist Film and Krishnamurti

Hi, Dan, thanks for highlighting this.  It seems strange to me, too, that the Krishnamurti Foundation would want Krishnamurti to be associated with this sort of extremist, conspiracy-type movement.  Maybe they are just looking for a way to have his work re-enter popular awareness again, since it does seem that there is less general awareness of him and his message than there was a couple decades ago.  But, to me, this is not the right platform.

Re: Zeitgeist Film and Krishnamurti

I agree Balder.

Pretty radical…and scary because what they are saying has come to pass to an extent.

It was produced before the economic meltdown was in full swing.

 

The suggestions for “Social Transformation” are really radical however.

The rebellion or boycotting suggested is polarizing and I don't think will change it (the problems we face as a nation and globally) or make it better.

Considering the principles of Spiral Dynamics (which the film does not discuss)

 
http://www.loosetooth.com/Viscom/gf/spiral_dynamics.pdf


 is one beautiful example of what can be done to understand the problem and help effectively transform it sustainably.

 

I do agree with them when they suggest we have been lied to. Lied to by what extent is still not 100% clear, it may never be clear. It may not matter pointing fingers.
Useless really. Find solutions!
 

Demading accountability on a certain level can be counterproductive and a distract from higher creative solutions when valuable time is of the essence.

 

The point is, where do we go from here? What do we do to change it? How much time is left?

 

Beginnning at 1:56:40 however is where the commentator hits the nail right on the head and is where I support and agree 100% with what is being said.
Probably the one point that the Krishnamurti Foundation did like:



“But in the end the real relevant change must occur first inside of you. The real revolution is the revolution of consciousness…”





The ending is dramatic. Martix style. That is the best part of the film in addition to Krishnamurti himself

 

Dan

Re: Zeitgeist Film and Krishnamurti

Hey Guys! Just found this group in my email from Gaia this morning and joined this group too. I am a huge fan of Krishnamurti.

I've seen several movies in this series and had similar conclusions. After several months, I've determined for myself that the conspiracy isn't a conscious one, but an unconscious one.

Taken on a smaller scale such as at IL, the same mechanics/dynamics are occurring too.

In other words, some reasonably well intentioned persons in positions of power are unconsciously doing a lot of damage.

Then when you become a radical revolutionary of consciousness, such as myself, you do whatever means are necessary to fight it. You don't talk about it, you do something about it.

First, you determine root cause and fight it at the root. IL claims to represent the World Forum.

THE FUCK THEY DO!

Re: Zeitgeist Film and Krishnamurti

I've been participating in various spiritual circles for the past nine years. In all of them with no exception, the rule of the day is to get 'enlightened' in whatever du jour AND suppress our emotions.

Emotions oftentimes are misconstrued to be elements of 'shadows' or other some-such negative language. And since anger is in this realm and not socially acceptable, it often doesn't get expressed.

Anger can be a very effective emotion as it is very closely tied with our will. It can be used as useful energy, particularly when channeled appropriately.

I wasn't particularly angry above either. I was a member at IL for about 6 months and did both my construction and deconstruction part.

…as Dan mentioned above, ”The real revolution is the revolution of consciousness.”

Both at a personal level and at a world level. This is your life and your world.

Re: Zeitgeist Film and Krishnamurti

As a Krishnamurti reader, I feel very safe in saying I think he would be very proud of this movie. In fact, in one of his books he does say we must become active and offer a solution (or as Ghandi says “Be The Change”).

I think the first part of the movie is about facts and “what is”. It may seem extreme but only because it IS extreme. The end brings it back full circle (beautifully) about what can be done which is where he introduces the Venus Project.

I have been on my own path (in this life) for 18 years now. I was very much a rebel when I first started thinking it was all about “fuck the police”. Then as I evolved and delved spiritually I very much went into the “unconditional love” space. Now as I have “balanced” myself I see it is both: we must come from love and be active! This is a physical world we live in and there are 7 (or is it 9 now?) billion people on the planet. We have to eat, resources must be accounted for, and a system of living has to be addressed. Just focusing on quantum ideas and spiritual concepts is not enough. That is just one half. The other half is the physical practicality. This is the most comprehensive “idea” put forth yet that addresses the physical component of our lives. It is so easy for people to criticize this but yet I hear no other option put forth. Why do so many people spend more time being a critic then a solution generator. On this page all I see are critics. Where are the solutions of how you think 7+ billion people will live?

Yes, this concept has bugs. Yes it is raw (they even admit this). But we have to start somewhere. Consider this play dough and pick up your carving tool and help shape this.

We live in a system now that is failing and will crumble. There must be an alternative option in place so that as things fall, people have a “choice” on what they want to help build. Please, if you have a better idea of how all of us on this planet can live (physically) please put it forth I am all ears. For now, this is the best idea so far.

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