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Karma and LilaLelazjia said Feb 3, 11:38 AM: |
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Meenakshi suggested I start a thread on karma and lila. I have a Tantric perspective, while Meenakshi has been speaking from a Vedantic perspective. There are many similarities, and I thought I’d give a quick outline here first. |
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Re: Karma and Liladebyemm said Feb 3, 12:26 PM: |
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Lelazjia, |
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Re: Karma and LilaLelazjia said Feb 3, 6:18 PM: |
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My pleasure Deb! I’m glad Meenakshi suggested it, and I’m looking forward to others’ contributions to the thread. I’m exhausted tonight, but I’ll post one of the stories tomorrow. |
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Re: Karma and LilaMeenakshi said Feb 3, 5:56 PM: |
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Yes, this will be a treat! In the folklore of India; vedanta and tantra intertwine; as does much else! So I’ll enjoy this perspective of separating them, Johanna. I would love to hear more… |
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Re: Karma and LilaLelazjia said Feb 4, 7:38 AM: |
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The Heroines have 3 qualities about them. |
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Re: Karma and LilaLelazjia said Feb 4, 9:12 AM: |
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The first story Douglas told was “Abhijnana Shakuntala”, or the Recognition of Shakuntala. I don’t know how to do the transliteration marks here, so please excuse any phonetic spelling. :-) Shakuntala means ‘clay bird’, and it’s a play on the word clay as something malleable, moldable–aka receptive. |
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Re: Karma and LilaMeenakshi said Feb 4, 5:47 PM: |
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This is a beloved tale in India; because the son of Shakuntala and King Dushyant, was Bharat [both “a” pronounced as “u” in “bun”], the brave one after whom India is named. We call our country Bharat [pronounced bhaarat]. |
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Re: Karma and LilaLelazjia said Feb 5, 6:23 AM: |
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Not really a difference at all, just an omission (unintentional) on my part, but it helps people realize why that particular curse was enacted. Thanks for that, Meenakshi. |
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Re: Karma and Lila- Action and Luck/Fate?Meenakshi said Feb 5, 6:55 AM: |
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I enjoyed reading your explanation of how lila comes into karma and dharma. Can we say that it is about what is commonly called luck or fate and how it impacts our life, sometimes despite our actions and being dutiful? |
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Re: Karma and Lila- Action and Luck/Fate?Lelazjia said Feb 5, 11:50 AM: |
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Oh, thank you for the link to the verses of the story!! It reminds me of the story of a young man and a sage. The young man is given a horse as a gift and the entire village rejoices, “What great luck!” and the sage says, “we’ll see.” A year later the boy is thrown from the horse and injures his leg badly. The village says, “what a disaster!” and the sage replies, “we’ll see.” Some time later all the boys and men from the village are called to join the army. The boy with the injured leg is exempt, and again the villagers cry, “what great luck!” to which to sage responds, “we’ll see….” |
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Re: Karma and Lila- Action and Luck/Fate?Meenakshi said Feb 5, 4:59 PM: |
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I’m putting these two thoughts together and seeing what emerges: |
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Re: Karma and Lila- Action and Luck/Fate?Lelazjia said Feb 6, 5:11 AM: |
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Ah, and this is where the challenge lies. How can we be sure it’s either lila or karma, because we can’t always see the root of the karmic action. It gets a little fuzzy. |
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Re: Karma and Lila- Action and Luck/Fate?Lelazjia said Feb 6, 12:11 PM: |
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As I was waiting at the RMV for a hearing against an insurance surcharge, I had this thought. From a Tantric perspective, there is just One. So, perhaps that’s why sometimes it’s difficult to tell karma and lila apart– they are at their essence the same thing. Who but the hand of God could make us pay for our actions, after all? We don’t have enough awareness to keep score through all those lifetimes (heck, I can’t even remember what I was doing 6 months ago!), yet in the akasha there’s a record of it all. Maybe they’re two sides of the same coin–with God’s right hand he dispenses karma, and with Her left hand she dispenses lila. hhhmmmmmmmmm |
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Re: Karma and Lila- Action and Luck/Fate?Meenakshi said Feb 6, 5:23 PM: |
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OMO! |
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Re: Karma and Lila- Action and Luck/Fate?Lelazjia said Feb 7, 6:29 AM: |
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OMO!! I love it! :-) |
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Re: Karma and Lila- of angerMeenakshi said Feb 5, 7:02 AM: |
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Something else that I’d like to discuss, Johanna, is anger. The Rishi [Sage] Durvasa’s anger used to trouble me when I first heard the story [you know how children are so idealistic]. |
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Re: Karma and Lila-and angerLelazjia said Feb 5, 12:05 PM: |
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Oh, I like this one Meenakshi. I actually think anger is very relevant to this conversation. |
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Re: Karma and Lila-and angerMeenakshi said Feb 6, 7:27 PM: |
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This is interesting. But just for the sake of argument, I hope we’re not saying that the ascetic’s anger is impulsive and being in the moment; and if Shakuntala had got angry, it …wouldn’t have been the same? |
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Re: Karma and LilaLelazjia said Feb 7, 6:52 AM: |
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M said: “But just for the sake of argument, I hope we’re not saying that the |
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Re: Karma and LilaMeenakshi said Feb 7, 1:51 PM: |
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Johanna, these words are steeped in wisdom: “Clinging to the anger enmeshes us in karmic debt; allowing it to |
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Re: Karma and LilaLelazjia said Feb 7, 4:23 PM: |
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Thank you, Meenakshi. Something about being in the company of Gaia, the akash of Gaia, pulls these words from me. :-) |
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Re: Karma and Lila-DraupadiLelazjia said Feb 9, 5:26 PM: |
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OK, on to the next story. It’s about Draupadi, the wife of Arjuna (of Bhagavad Gita fame). Actually, thanks to Arjuna’s mother, Draupadi was the wife of all 5 Pandava brothers. |
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Re: Karma and Lila-DraupadiMeenakshi said Feb 10, 7:08 PM: |
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Hi Johanna; waiting for the next part. But this part of the story is interesting too. I don’t think I knew about the three boons, and am glad to read what you wrote, too: “you keep it. I don’t need it.” |
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Re: Karma and Lila-DraupadiLelazjia said Mar 1, 4:43 PM: |
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Oy, I fell into the Void again!! I hate when that happens, that weeks go by before I’m able to re-surface. This time it was because I was working like crazy to get my new website content and design ready to hand off to the techie before I left for some yoga teacher training last week. Mission accomplished, and now I’m back from yoga and reveling in all that good juju that intense yoga brings out in me. :-) |
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