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Re: The three states- waking, dream, deep sleep

http://Meenakshi.gaia.com — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:44:38 GMT

1. The waking state [is] the state of experience where my entire personality is awake and fully functioning. I identify with all the three bodies -- gross, subtle, causal; and experience the world through them.
The waking state is therefore called complete or all-inclusive.

The waking world seems to be solid and real. Objects and events seem to have a cause-effect relationship. I therefore give the waking state a greater reality and importance. I form attachments to objects and beings and enjoy or suffer them.

2. The dream state. The dream world and the dreamer are created, sustained and ended by the mind. The dreamer can have an entirely different identity from the waker. Intellect has no role to play; there is no notion of doership; thus one is not punished or rewarded for what happens in the dream state.

The Self identifies here with the subtle and causal bodies; but not the gross body. The dream may seem unreal to the waker, but it seems very real to the dreamer. The dreamer can enjoy or suffer in it;[and some can learn how to direct what happens in the dream].

3. The deep sleep state is one where Self identifies only with the causal body. There is an absence of objects, emotions, thoughts. There is no doer or feeler. No sense of time, space or duality.

In the waking and dream states I know I exist, but I do not know my true nature. I take myself to be the gross and subtle bodies and the waking and dream worlds to be real. In the deep sleep state, I am ignorant of my true nature and also of the world. Except for the awareness that 'I exist', there is total ignorance.

In the waking and dream states, each of us differs. But in the deep sleep state, all experience bliss. It is homogenous, partless, complete. It refreshes, rejuvenates.

The three states come and go. Each negates the experience and reality of the other two. I am the witness of these states. I stand un-negated by them. I may act like a beggar in a play, but I do not become a beggar. Similarly, I am not the roles I take up of the dreamer, waker and deep sleeper.

~ Swami Tejomayananda commenting on the Tattva Bodha (The Awakening to Reality) By Adi Sankaracharya

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Re: The three states

http://EliRoberson.gaia.com — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 03:34:26 GMT

Meenakshi, Deb, the answer is found in Mundak Upanishad, Third Mundak, Chapter 1.

Without complicating this post with the Sanskrit originals, I quote below the English translation (which only approximate the inner sense, so please use your sixth sense to understand the inner meaning) . If any further elaborations are needed, please let me know. I would, in utomost humility and reverence to the great seers try to to explain whatever I can within my own very limited personal experiences.

Third Mundaka - Chapter 1

Verse 1
Two birds, united always and known by the same name, closely cling to the same tree. One of them eats the sweet fruit; the other looks on without eating.

Verse 2
Seated on the same tree, the jiva moans, bewildered by his impotence. But when he beholds the other, the Lord worshipped by all, and His glory, he then becomes free from grief.

Verse 3
When the seer beholds the self-luminous Creator, the Lord, the Purusha, the progenitor of Brahma, then he, the wise seer, shakes off good and evil, becomes stainless, and reaches the supreme unity.

Verse 4
He indeed is Prana; He shines forth variously in all beings. The wise man who knows Him does not babble. Revelling in the Self, delighting in the Self, performing actions, he is the foremost among the knowers of Brahman.

Verse 5
This Atman, resplendent and pure, whom the sinless sannyasins behold residing within the body, is attained by unceasing practice of truthfulness, austerity, right knowledge, and continence

Verse 6
Truth alone prevails, not falsehood. By truth the path is laid out, the Way of the Gods, on which the seers, whose every desire is satisfied, proceed to the Highest Abode of the True.

Verse 7
That Brahman shines forth, vast, self-luminous, inconceivable, subtler than the subtle. He is far beyond what is far, and yet here very near at hand. Verily, He is seen here, dwelling in the cave of the heart of conscious beings.

Verse 8
Brahman is not grasped by the eye, nor by speech, nor by the other senses, nor by penance or good works. A man becomes pure through serenity of intellect; thereupon, in meditation, he beholds Him who is without parts.

Verse 9
That subtle Atman is to be known by the intellect here in the body where the prana has entered fivefold. By Atman the intellects of men are pervaded, together with the senses. When the intellect is purified, Atman shines forth.

Verse 10
Whatever world a man of pure understanding envisages in his mind and whatever desires he cherishes, that world he conquers and those desires he obtains, Therefore let everyone who wants prosperity worship the man who knows the Self.

Re: The three states

http://Meenakshi.gaia.com — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:14:57 GMT

Deb; you know that I am no master; but also studying this with whoever may be reading! The point that Adi Sankaracharya is making here; is of the "core essence" that you mention; that he calls Self --Atma, actually; that could also be called soul, true self and how it is beyond body, emotion, mind; aware of their presence and also of their absence.

Taken by themselves, each is leading to the understanding of what Self is; by going the route in this book of what it is not.

In a certain way, we are aware of this and language shows it as well. But sometimes we forget it as when we say "I am unwell", when the body is at unease; or "I am angry" when the emotions are churning.

Perhaps a more real way of expressing this would be:

"The body is unwell/imbalanced though I AM balanced"; or "I feel anger and also am aware that I AM not anger..."
Tough with language; but I think we know internally what it means.

Re: The three states

http://yhd52754.gaia.com — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:21:18 GMT

Meenakshi,

It is hard to make any comment on the simple, direct truth expressed in this efficient lines. Yet, I will attempt to clarify by re-wording these in my own way . . .

[1] Physical can be touched by some sense organ.

[2] Emotions are expressed as energetic reactions.

[3] Mind is ever busy with its thoughts and these have not substance in and of themselves but are the mold that manifests into our physical and emotional life.

For me, when I seek to experience that non-physical state of pure Being or core essence - I seek an awareness of something that is not any of the previous 3. The witness or observer state of awareness.

I see also that it is possible to experience this state of non-physical Being in the 3 states of consicousness you note here - wakefulness, dreaming and sleep unconsciousness.

How'd I do, oh master / dear friend of mine?

Deb

The three states- waking, dreaming, deep sleep

http://Meenakshi.gaia.com — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:50:38 GMT

"I experience the physical world as sound, touch, form, taste and smell
The emotional world as desire, anger, love, compassion, etc.
The intellectual world as ideas, ideals, concepts, imagination...

"I also experience the absence of all of them. These experiences are divided into 3 staes of consciousness that we go through daily: waking, dream and deep sleep."

~ Swami Tejomayananda commenting on the Tattva Bodha (The Awakening to Reality) By Adi Sankaracharya