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deconstructing depressionlibramoon said May 17, 2006, 5:15 PM: |
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I have for awhile been doing research into depressive disorders (and, no, this research was not for altruistic or scientifically objective purposes). Here, for your edification and enjoyment, a more Jungian approach involving mythological archetypes, and the cathartic poem I wrote out of this approach: |
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Re: deconstructing depressioncate said May 25, 2006, 8:55 AM: |
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You give an interesting interpretation of the Lovers Arcana in the Tarot. The archetypes arise amidst thedynamic flux between internal and external enviroments .I dont think you accurately describe Depression however. There are many reasons for depression located within and external to the individual. Depression may be linked to a previous trauma…for example sexual abuse survivors characteristically experience depression. As do individuals who have experienced or are experiencing adult stresses …money problems, unemployment, retirement..relationship difficulties…parenting ,even blocked creativity at work. It is recognising the symptoms of the depression as we approach it again or as it looms..depending where we are in our healing cycle.Yes it comes back!!! Depression thankfully has a voluntary component and we can create an internal shift with effort and a committment from the self to fight.. It is enabling ones self to manage ones own response to life. Life on the highway hurls boulders at us…the wind blows us off course sometimes forces flat on our face or down into a bog or pit….we sink and we sink ….we stagnate or we climb back up. We pick ourselves up dust our selves down and start all over again…why because this is it. the wall. and two time passes and the suicide wakes and realizes s/he is still alive or not dead. Public Choice Theory where do I go from here? A glimmer of Light.. hold on to it…chase it create it….it is Life …sacred precious and scary …………………………………………………………………………………………………………catemurray |
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Re: deconstructing depressionwill feathers said May 26, 2006, 2:57 AM: |
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I read a news story recently about a guy in France, who was so depressed he decided to suicide, So he scored himself a bottle of whisky and a bottle of sleeping pills, and drove to an abandoned mine in the countryside. He went into the mine, and wandered about in the dark ,drinking the wine, and eating the pills, and after a while collapsed into unconciousness, some time later,he awoke. He had no idea of his whereabouts in the mine, no torch or light of any kind,It was very dark. He was cold. staggering around he found a piece of plastic in which he was able to wrap himself. The only water he had was what was slowly oozing from the walls. He lost all sense of time, and sometimes was shaking with cold for hours before he was able to sleep. Some teenagers wandering outside found his car and alerted police who organized a search party, they found him. He'd been in there for 4 weeks. After a brief stay in hospital, he was released. Very much alive. No more depression, no more suicidal tendencies. Seems to me he was given a good healing cleansing. A purging so to speak……… You don't always get what you want, but sometimes,… you get what you NEED. Huggzz to all, Will |
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Re: deconstructing depressionBlessing Conspirator said May 27, 2006, 5:44 PM: |
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Laurie, |
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Re: deconstructing depressioncate said May 28, 2006, 5:27 AM: |
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Laurie …I am very pleased that you have been well for many years…the healing of depression does occur. But for many people it is part of a healthy creative psyche to fall or sink. at times. As an adult we are pushed stretched in situations and circumstances which are beyond comprehension. An abuse survivor, the bereaved partner, the bankrupt, the housewife is not mentally ill…depression is linked to psychology not psychiatry..it is part of a larger cycle of emotional being for healthy normal adults and children. When there is a reoccurrence of depression or anxiety there may or may not be an obvious external cause. A trigger or flashpoint can be anything…. some thing as abstract as a bowl of plums in a fridge can lock into a childhood event which resurfaces emotionally. We may not recall the event clearly (hence the use of counselling psychotherapy to dig deeper) but we can re-experience the emotions or blockages linked to the pain.. ….and we in turn become blocked. It is what I I have referred to as the Dynamic position of pain as experienced in the cycle of healing Anger and Violence is part of that healing ….letting it out in a safe space is essential for some people. Sometimes it overspills onto people who we feel safe with at some level(thank you Leo ) the temper tantrum in the child..the angry or moody lover …the otherwise dead marriages are stilted because they are afraid to express these emotions. These are normal psychological states which are linked to most people's everyday living………………………………………………………….LIFE we all FALL through healing we learn to get up again
with love and light with experience with insight and thanks to my friend Leo
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Re: deconstructing depressionBlessing Conspirator said May 29, 2006, 5:19 PM: |
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Re: deconstructing depressionsusan said May 30, 2006, 8:09 AM: |
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Hi Guys. I fully understand both concepts and agree with them both in seperate frameworks. I can only give my experiences and what I, personally, have taken from them. I used to think that my life experiences were soul destroying. My first attempt at suicide was at the age of 8- ( I got the razor blade stuck in my thumb, after deceiding to put it away after an hour or so!.. Oh the humanity!) Ive survived through the use of a strong sence of humour. My last would be attempt was some years ago- I put on a fav tape to chill the mood as I went out. Some songs later I relised I was listening to “Knocking on Heavens Door”! I had to laugh at my own self pity. Once I laugh, its broken. These things have shown me compassion, and provided me with strength. Its only recently tho, thro some outside strength I feel, that I have come to relise (this is only me) that to “forgive” is an empty word. Ive worked, and meditated, to find “love” for the people who have hurt me.- I certainly would not want to be in their company!- but Ive thought what experiences, or the lack of them, have driven them to this behaviour…and have felt natural, not forced, compassion for the child with so much potential for giving and receiving love that they once were,and for their present pain.- And have wished for their peace. This has enabled me to let go of my black silent rage, and has allowed a new light into my soul- and has eased my panic attacks no end. By asking for peace for my enemy, I have unwittingly been blessed with my own. I dont know if this helps..? Still discovering life for myself! With love, Susan. x |
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Re: deconstructing depressioncate said May 30, 2006, 3:55 PM: |
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I think depression and clinical depression are probably on a continuum..the medication obviously ( sorry cant delete obviously)depends upon the type on intervention. I am sorry to hear about your mother… It is very hard for people like her and for family members like your self who have been through or survived the mental health system.. I have also been a patient.( for post traumatic stress)..though have resisted medication. I personally do not like medication as a remedy …although I repect an individuals right to choose. Depression and other states have patterns within them …and empowering and healing depends onthe individual's abilty to connect with themselves,reflect and recognise periods of wellness within .Connecting with the wellness and accentuating it is the core of the healing process.It is difficult for people who only have access conventional services as “shifting ” requires direction from a skilled other in the first instance Counselling.psychotherapy or personal creatvity can help …as can good friends family….and other angels….and animalsx with love and healing light catemurray |
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Re: deconstructing depressioncreature said Aug 21, 2006, 11:07 AM: |
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I’ve deconstructed my own manic depression and host a little online forum for unmedicated mental health here: http://tonyakay.com/phpbb/index.php. Here’s a blurb from one of the posts: “It’s not relapse. It’s withdrawal. How many psychiatrists told me that “manic/depression is an incurable chemical imbalance” and without medications, I was doomed forever to repeat the exhausting emotional roller coaster that had threatened my life countless times in the past? That doesn’t sound like freedom to me. When I did drop my medications, my current psychologist (I’ve seen over 8 for this shizzle) refused to see me. My beloved boyfriend threatened to break up with me. Obvously it was a scary time, going off medications - I was low, delusional, unreachable, gone. They were frightened for my life. I was, too, to tell you the truth. For all intensive purposes, it looked like I had relapsed, just like the psychiratrist said. But that, too, wasn’t freedom. So much of the journey to the mediation-free lifestyle has been mind games. Trying something out, keeping it if it works, discarding it quickly when it doesn’t and creating a new reality. The key for me was to remain ultimately flexible in my belief systems. So where the doctor offered me a cage called relapse that would keep me running back to meds every time I fell down, I chose another reality and called it withdrawal. Heroine addicts, too, exhibit symptoms when going off their chemical, and those symptoms , too, can be easily prevented by taking more of the drug. But if you see it out, if you can make it through, if you can stay off the drug long enough for it to detox from your system, it is gone. And you never have to feel that way again. That my friend, is freedom. It was difficult for me, going off medications. It may not be for you (especially going raw before). We are all so very deeply unique. I literally had to do it alone, without support from the “professionals”, my boyfriend, even my family. And who would blame them, seeing me go through what I was going through, it would be difficult to believe I was doing myself any good. So I joined a Biploar support group in San Francisco. Ironically, none of my fellow maniacs supported my departure from medication either, but that weekly meeting with the others who understood, who related, who existed, really helped me. In fact, it was another integral factor in my recovery to my natural healthy state. Below is a link to help you find a support group in your area. Don’t expect anything from them. Just be with them. The lessons come from just being there. These lessons are pivotal whether you are going off meds, remaining on meds, never been mediated, et all. Search the DBSA website thoroughly, by the way. There is information and online support as well. Julie, it sounds like YOU have decided to give it a try - to find out what freedom might taste like. You are coming at it from such a joyous, intentional and educated place, I see success and stability in your future. Because that is your belief. You are creating that reality. Thank you for asking me about my journey. It really is a miracle and I do not use that word lightly. This week I have began counting how many times I actually experience exstacy - the feeling that whatever I am doing, feeling, experiencing in any given moment is absolutely perfect. Five (FIVE!) distinct moments this week where I wouldn’t ahve changed a thing. That is really different than some of the horror stories I could share, but won’t, from my past. I’m looking forward to my bliss states becoming even more frequent and lasting even longer, melding into one blissful life, full of gratitude and exstacy every day. I belive it is my natural state. Feel free to ask me anything. But since this is such a huge topic and I want to badly to share whatever I can, please ask me specific questions, so I don’t get too verbose. Like this time:-) In summary, the keys to my succesful transition from medicated Bipolar symptoms (a whole nother chapter could be devoted to maintaining that lifestyle) could be summed up like this: 1. going raw, hands down
http://www.dbsalliance.org/Info/findsupport.html ” Tonya Kay
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Re: deconstructing depressionSister said Aug 27, 2006, 6:01 PM: |
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There are two root vibrations to everything, one is the contracting fear vibration and the other is the expanding love vibration. We are either contracting or expanding. There is no in between. Since each one of us is inter-connected, the choice you make to expand or contract effects everything else including the planet and each other. You must consciously choose to be in the expansion of Love.
You may be attached to your home; your family, your car but when you lose the body you have none of those things. Attachment traps you in lower emotions and creates false desires. It causes one to stimulate the local mind and ego directing us into lower frequencies of vibration. When one moves into lower frequencies, these actions and thoughts attract more dense energies that bind together to create an “entity”. These entities continue to feed off of destructive energies and enter into one's thoughts, feelings and actions with progressive destructive effects. Instead of being this compassionate being of love, you think you are unworthy and then you hold on, you attach yourself to the outer world so you can feel more secure, to feel you exist, to feel a sensation in your life. The result of this is evident in the imbalance of our selves, ecosystem, and our inability to curb the behaviors causing such devastation. When in doubt, ask yourself if the root resonance is Love or fear. Then act accordingly. You, the conscious being can choose to expand or contract. Do not give this power to the ego anymore. It is a personal choice to make. If you want to live in a peaceful, safe, abundant world but choose to live by the current of fear, who is to blame for the contracted state you find yourself in? Open your heart, choose to forgive and transformation will take place, in your inner and outer world. Then the joy of life can fill the space of resentment and fear. It is important not only for us to forgive those who have hurt us but also to ask for forgiveness. When we do this we become more humble and are able to forgive ourselves. There is a great healing power in forgiveness. The moment forgiveness happens there is no guilt, shame or discomfort. At that very moment there is reconciliation with the self and one is liberated. We have the power to be more comfortable and free within ourselves. This expanding energy causes the heart center to open and find more light, more peace because light and love we are is resonating from within. This means more light and love for the world. We have more capacity for joy, and unconditional love. Unconditional love is what everyone is looking for. To be loved and accepted regardless of past or future actions is medicine we all need |
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Re: deconstructing depressioncate said Aug 28, 2006, 3:25 PM: |
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letting go of the past ….a conscious approach to forgiveness………moving on and moving through….. |
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