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Re: Thoughts on What We Might Do With Our Soulmates

http://rainingherbs.gaia.com — Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:33:27 GMT

Just a new thought for you Tony, Dr. Tully said there was no
such thing as a soulmate as we have 18 parts of soul.

So does that mean that the living souls that are in our
life on a daily basis could be another part of us that
we have to put back together like a puzzle? That is
what I am thinking. If we come back together in soul
families, and are surrounded by souls that we have
lessons with, could one of those be our other part?

Thoughts on how we treat each other, each thought,
word and deed on a daily basis and the unconditional
love that we are striving to become.

Re: Thoughts on What We Might Do With Our Soulmates

http://creativequesting.gaia.com — Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:29:03 GMT

Tony, your first post in this thread reminds me of something Caroline Myss said in a workshop many years ago, about humanity going through three stages: 1. tribal (the needs of the group supercede any individual needs) 2. individualistic (the needs of the individual supercede any group needs) 3. healthy interdependency (the needs of the individual and the group are both important, and a win/win approach is possible) I think these three stages play out in relationships as well -- I've definitely gone through 1 and 2, and I'm looking for 3 and, as you said, there are both healthy and unhealthy ways to depend on another person and about circuitry: I agree that love can go in just one direction, but I definitely don't want that in an intimate relationship -- egalitarianism is one of my top five values in a relationship, and for me, getting stuck in roles means the death of a relationship -- which means another of my "top five" is for each partner to embrace the process of becoming aware of stuck places in the relationship and being willing to explore new possibilities -- just as in our individual lives, if we can embrace the challenges in a relationship and see them as teachers, incredible growth is possible

The Role of Circuitry in Relationships

http://anandaguy.gaia.com — Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:07:46 GMT

I glanced at the book from where our thread's initial seed quote above came from, Kabbalah on Love - Technology for the Soul and ran across another concept for us to ponder on--regarding the circuitry which is involved in relationships. Please understand that I'm note citing excerpts from this book as an endorsement of the book, the author, or even of the quotations I'm including here. I've even edited a few phrases in this excerpt in order to eliminate some superfluous, possibly even trite, dialog with the reader. Again, I found some concepts within to be worthy of contemplation and maybe seed thoughts to spur us on to continued discussions. The bold emphasis is mine, drawing attention to the more vital ideas. One day, God decided to create an infinite soul--or a Vessel, in the language of Kabbalah--to receive this unconditional love. After all, real love cannot exist if there is no one to receive that love. The infinite Vessel created by God included all the souls of humanity. . .. The same way your body consists of trillions of cells, the One Soul, the One Vessel, was made up of trillions of souls. The unconditional love that God gave the Vessel included every imaginable pleasure you can conceive of--and infinitely more. By all appearances, the Light and the Vessel were in perfect harmony, functioning as one divine organism that was sharing and receiving. But the union was not perfect; a vital component was missing. . .. . . .It's the exact same thing that is missing when you are in a relationship in which you are the constant giver of your time, energy, and love while your counterpart is the constant recipient--or vice versa. Imagine for a moment that your lover spends every waking moment pampering you and catering to your every yearning. Sure, it might seem appealing at first, but that feeling would wear off fairly quickly, don't you think? . . .Eventually, you'd crave a piece of the giving action yourself. It would be a bit like trying to play a game of catch in which you were able to catch the ball but couldn't throw it back to your partner. What would be the fun in that? What makes this type of relationship so joyless is its lack of circuitry. Without circuitry, the relationship is finite. Without give and take, there is no space for love. Why? Because real fulfillment--real love--requires that each person play the role of both giver and receiver. It doesn't matter whether the relationship is between a parent and child or a husband and wife--existing in a constant state of receiving or giving simply loses its appeal after a while. Well, I disagree in that I see that love can still complete its circuitry even if only going in one direction. One giving or holding love, and another receiving love--well that's still circuitry. It's not reciprocal circuitry grant you--and I'd still agree that it's not seemingly as valuable, advantageous or enjoyable from my vantage point in regard to interpersonal relationships. Now some Bodhisattvas out there will of course have some other input for us! So there is of course the idea of unconditional love (what a concept!) which is not addressed here--where one offers love without expectation of a return on their investment, their gift, their compassion--but loving for the sake of loving and for another's benefit. There's still a place for that too. So. . .Circuitry which is a basic foundation in Tantra as well--is something I feel is an ultimate element in Relationship Sustenance and Sustainability 101. . .in building and sustaining a vibrant, vital and loving relationship.

Thoughts on What We Might Do With Our Soulmates

http://anandaguy.gaia.com — Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:02:35 GMT

While first of all acknowledging that relationships, let alone finding one's soulmate, is not deemed a necessity by or for everyone (before I get hit up on that one!) -- I wanted to share a quote I ran across today on another Zaadzster's profile which I thought might be a good inspiration for taking our concepts, wish and dream lists, and lofty intentions to another level -- just some food for thought y'all. . .. The ultimate objective of life is to reunite with our other half and become one again. Your soul mate is your other half - the aspect that makes your soul whole again. You meet your soul mate in order to bring systemic change on this planet. Inspired by your desire to share your love with the world, you and your soul mate will perform wondrous deeds that will contribute to the transformation of the consciousness of humankind. -Yehuda Berg, Kabbalah on Love Okay. . .is this subjective on the part of the writer? Well, we might allow it to at least be inspirational. The whole idea of relationships and finding ones soulmate brings to mind the entire deep and potentially sticky cauldron of past and possibly current boxes that our relationship characteristics have been put into and labeled. Amongst the previous few decades, thoughts and terms (some helpful and some possibly a hindrance) have cropped up regarding the various natures of, or themes in, relationships in general. In my opinion (and again) although not necessary for or desired by everyone (as we've heard discussed in other threads of this pod) I personally like to entertain the idea of a healthy, loving, spiritually supportive, creative and purposeful relationship between two human beings. Here are some of the terms which have been used in delineating various such colorings in our associations with another: Independence: Not influenced by the thought or action of others; rejecting others' aid or support; refusing to be under obligation to others. Dependency: Lack of independence or self-sufficiency; dependent upon another. [This actually does not necessarily require a lack of independence or self-sufficiency in my opinion.] Interpersonal: Being, relating to, or involving relations between persons. Codependency: Of or relating to a relationship in which one person is psychologically dependent in an unhealthy way on someone who is addicted to a drug or self-destructive behavior, such as chronic gambling. Basically a relationship where one cannot be happy, or possibly functional in a healthy way, without conditions being met by the other person. Interdependency: Dependency upon each other in a relationship, suggesting more of a give and take; a relationship of mutuality in supporting each other; between; among; in the midst of; within a relationship. Mutually dependent: "Today, the mission of one institution can be accomplished only by recognizing that it lives in an interdependent world with conflicts and overlapping interests". Intradependency: Dependency upon the unified entity of the relationship itself, the sum is greater than its parts. Dependency within the circle of the relationship as a unified body to which both partners are contributing. So for me, I am of the mind that a soulful relationship -- one of soulmates have you -- would consist of maybe all of these, with the exclusion of "codependency" and sometimes "dependency" when it's become effectively dysfunctional in the negative portion of the definition above. Hell, we all depend upon others and things from time-to-time. So, if and once we encounter a soullmate what can, or could, be done to grow the soulmate relationship so that it most greatly benefits the individuals within it, and, contributes some good, which they (the mates) out of their mutual love and inspirations, can help make our world a better place? Surely the energy of their momentum and inertia of simple pure Love (and even the act of loving) alone, in and of itself, must have a profound effect on others around them. Brings to mind some John Lennon themes.