Gaia: healing through mindchange - Doctors cause one third of deaths - Death is caused by self destructive behavior

Re: Death is caused by self destructive behavior

http://MiKaEl.gaia.com — Tue, 04 Apr 2006 19:08:33 GMT

Well, I wrote a layout suggestion for the site yesterday and asked you members to discuss it and to sugest your own topics, but when I posted the entry I only got saa error message and everything was lost.

So I gave up and just placed what had come to my mind.

Please take these discussion boards as suggestions and put up your own if you like. Or lets discuss where we are going right here.

I have no internet connection at home since two weeks and have a hard time staying in touch.

sorry,

mikael

Re: Death is caused by self destructive behavior

Sun, 02 Apr 2006 05:30:54 GMT

ditto...looking forward to more...

Melis

Re: Death is caused by self destructive behavior

http://diana.gaia.com — Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:05:57 GMT

OK, MiKaEl, Of course we will, that's why we are here for! Just do what you have to do, correct whatever you want and give us green light to start all over! Diana :-)

Re: Death is caused by self destructive behavior

http://MiKaEl.gaia.com — Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:50:21 GMT

Hey friends,

sorry, but it seems I messed up the whole pod.

I wanted to share that info on how the death rates go down when doctors go on strike and thought to try creating a discussion board at the same time.

Now everything is under the wrong topic and I can't even find a link to place new topics. And definately no link to correct and edit my moistake.

I wrote to the technicians for help, but you might have to be very patient with me for a while.

Sorry again,

Milkael

Re: Death is caused by self destructive behavior

Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:14:54 GMT

Mikael...Echo... Thanks for your words... it's hard for me to look back and think that I might have done anything so unusual because it seemed such natural response to what was going on in my life at the time...I simply made a choice based on the realization (the epiphany) that I wanted to live. And I mean LIVE. Which I had not been very good at doing at all. Echo - I'm really glad to hear that you're making such an effort for yourself. I have a friend who recently quit smoking and has been climbing the walls. I keep reminding her that it's the single most loving act that she can do for herself and that she wouldn't be making this choice unless some part of her was desperately asking for her own love. I ask you to listen for that voice because it too is asking for your own love. We contend with so many unconscious battles within ourselves that it's sometimes hard to find a self to love at all! My own experience tells me that the inner wars calm down when we remove those layers of self-inflicetd hatred from our bodies/minds. When we've begun to lift the mucky veil we can start to clear a path towards peace. But that's the hard part because exposure/vulnerability can be painful and is often the reason we find it so unbearable to let go of our addictions to begin with. The truth hurts but it also heals. And yes Mikael, to go beyond the self and take care of our environment as wholistically as possible is to love ourselves inside out. If we can't embrace our whole selves how can we even begin to nurture the planet? And with that I think I need some chocolate... Keep it shining! Melis

Re: Death is caused by self destructive behavior

http://echo227.gaia.com — Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:20:47 GMT

Awesome!! I have been coming to the same conclusions in the last few weeks. I've been trying to stop smoking for some time and drinking too. In the last few weeks it finally really sunk in what it was really about. Self loathing BS. I can't possibly hate myself that much....so I stopped. I quit smoking, drugs are out (unless I ever make it to Brazil) and I slowed waaay down on the drinking. That one will be a little tougher for me. I've grown too dependent on it in social situations. Although I am aware of it and that's pretty good for right now.

Thanks so much for sharing that. It really helps me stay focused on my new path, to know someone else experienced something similar.

k

Re: Death is caused by self destructive behavior

http://MiKaEl.gaia.com — Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:35:43 GMT

You appear to me as a great exception in the current presentation of humanity. I suppose you must have had some very supportive influences to be able to self recognize your self- destructive habits and go straight to the solution of recovering the spirit. (One of these days I'll ask for your permission to quote you as an outstaning genius in intuitive self knowledge.)

All the people I know, and especially the drinkers, need to go almost to death before they realize that they are committing a slow form of suicide, rather than celebrating life as they call it.

And look at the daily little suicides of pollution and global warming? Isn't that aslo an addiction and does it have the ame solution: Spiritual living?

Glad you umped right in here.

Mikael

Re: Death is caused by self destructive behavior

Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:40:39 GMT

I love this topic Mi Ka El. I think with the exception of fire arms and microbial agents I've probably dabbled in just about everything on the "Causes of Death" list...eek! About seven years ago I had a major epiphany. I became aware that all of these bad habits of mine were really just self-loathing acts. Somehow - without effort I went T-total overnight and overhauled my life. For several years I sought to explore why I was so hell bent on hurting myself (when all along I thought I was having fun). This self-examination led to an opening up to an embracing of spirit (mine/yours) that changed me deeply as well as the way I now relate to the world at large. I'm no longer a complete T-totaler although I'm close - but then I've rid myself of destructive cravings (well, except for dark chocolate which - in the amounts I've been known to consume could do some damage... lol) Ultimately - I don't personally accept the concepts of addiction as they are traditionally presented (powerless 12 step stuff). I believe that if we can change the fundamental underlying belief of a self-destructive act and replace the behavior with something better the compulsion(s) to abuse (anything) will generally disapear. I welcome your thoughts... Thanks for this thought provoking Pod! Peace Melis

Re: Death is caused by self destructive behavior

http://MiKaEl.gaia.com — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:04:42 GMT

Sorry about the chart without info.

It shows the causes of death in the USA according to this source:

McGinnis JM. Feoge WH. Actual Causes of Death in the United States, Journal of the American Medical Association, 1993; 270(18):2207-2212.

Doesn't it demonstrate that most causes of death are behavior related. So why do we bother with medicine then instead of changing our behavior?

Are we all addicted to self destructive living?

Death is caused by self destructive behavior

http://MiKaEl.gaia.com — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:58:59 GMT

Cause	Number of Deaths per Year
Tobacco	400,000
Diet/Activity Patterns	300,000
Alcohol	100,000
Toxic Agents	90,000
Microbial Agents	60,000
Firearms	35,000
Sexual Behavior	30,000
Motor Vehicle	25,000
Illicit Use of Drugs	20,000
Total	1,060,000