No misunderstanding this time... The writitng on the wall

It is time for me to move on.

I have learnt much in my short
sojourn a Gaia.com but find that due to the deterioration of my mental
capacity resulting from the Parkinsons disease I can no longer trust my
memory, which has thrown my integrity in doubt.

Just over 3 weeks ago in response to Silly Old Bear's reply to me after joining 'A Strangers Torah'


I
am not going to say that you are welcome, Andrew, because my gut tells
me you are up to no good - but for the time being you may stay.


I removed myself from his pod and messaged him gaving my word I would not contact him again without being invited to do so…


I am really surprised by your response SoB.

I
had actually looked forward to getting to know you and to learn more
about the Torah, but I have no intention of  remaining where I am
clearly not wanted.

I took you at face value thinking you
realised you had misunderstood me, but accusing me of being up to no
good makes me feel sick in the stomach.

You don't need to block
me again I will make no further contact with you until you invite me to
do so, when you decide I am worthy.

Andrew


Last
night, having forgotten my pledge not to message Silly Old Bear, I sent
Silly Old Bear a message regarding his pod 'A Strangers Torah'.


Hi SoB,

I just wanted to compliment you on 'A Strangers Torah'.

You have an amazing amount of material at your fingertips and a gift for conveying it in clear understandable terminology.

Irrespective
of your prejudice towards me I admire your work and think you are doing
a good thing in breaking down the barriers of ignorance. which has
always the basis of fear, in helping people understand the foundation
of Judaism.

I haven't read all of your material but was
wondering if you have covered any of the material regarding
archeological findings of artifacts dating back to before the
destruction of the temple in Jerusalem.

I remember reading
material by an archeologist, some 25 years ago, regarding the finding
of the vessel containing the remains of the ashes of the red heifer,
referred to in Numbers 19 and used in the ritual purification of sin. 
I don't remember all the details but it was significant from an
historical and practical point of view to the priesthood if the Holiest
of Holies was to be reestablished in Jerusalem.

I'm sure you
would know far more about that than I, but it was reading about that
that lead me to read the book 'O Jerusalem' which completely changed my
attitude towards the reestablishment of the  nation of  Israel.

I'm
not trying to prove anything to you by telling you this, but shared it
from the point of view that raising peoples awareness of the
archeological findings that add credence to prophecy spoken thousands
of years ago should help you get the attention of the skeptics.

I'll leave you in peace,

Andrew


I woke up this morning to this message from Siona…


Hello Andrew!

SillyOldBear
just forwarded a note to me that you'd sent recently. With it, he
attached an earlier note you'd written, in which you told him there was
no need for him to block you, as you'd respect his wishes and would
refrain from communicating with him.

I'm sure you meant well
with your note, but well-meaning aside, you still broke your pledge to
SOB and he feels more anxious around you than ever. He wrote to me for
help, so I'm checking in. Hopefully your last message was just a
mistake and you'd just forgotten your earlier promise.

Siona


This was my response to Siona….


You are absolutely correct Siona.

I'd been looking at SoB's pod and was really impressed and felt moved to compliment him on it.

It
didn't occurr to me that he would find that threatening and yes, I had
forgotten that I'd told him I would have no further correspondence with
him until he'd invited me to do so.

I don't have an excuse.

I think you understand I would never consciously or intentionally break my word to anyone.

Siona
I am not anti-semitic in any way and have actively promoted Israels
cause when prejudice towards the Jewish people has raised it's head,
even at times on the God pod, as Nicole is aware.

But your query is not in relation to that.

This
has completely shot my confidence Siona, I have no idea how to
respond.  The only way I can guarantee not making the same mistake
again is to withdraw from Gaia altogether.

Its a fact and it would remove the threat people perceive me to be.

It appears the effect of the Parkinsons disease on my memory is now getting to the stage that it puts my integrity in question.

I'll tidy up some loose ends and quietly disappear.

Thank you for your patience with me Siona, you are a beautiful lady with a wonderfully blessed ministry.

Good bye.

Andrew


All this stuff is beyond my comprehension.

I make no excuses, I am clearly in error and have broken my word to Silly Old Bear.

Many
of you are aware of the disputes I've had over the blocking issue. 
What I have done is only helped cement the need for the blocking
function.

It has become clear that I can serve no worthwhile
purpose remaining in Gaia when people find my presence threatening and
intimidating.

I hold no animosity towards anyone and wish everybody the very best for the future.

My love to all.

An eccentric Aussie

Re: No misunderstanding this time... The writitng on the wall

Andrew -I BEG you to stay -PLEASE?
This misunderstanding can be worked out-trust me.
Give me time at least to write to Siona and Silly Old Bear?

I was accidentely upset him too -but he emailed me direct and
we discovered it truly had been a geniune misunderstanding.
He has had bad things happen to him too -things that have made
it hard for him to trust anyone's motives anymore.
But he is a tolerant man -I don't think he quite “gets you”
yet -that is all.

Let me make a plea to him on your behalf?

And to Siona -please?

Peace and love
Sandy
P.S At least stay on for awhile and see where this goes??
I know you are sensitive too and your feelings have been hurt-
and they should make a few gentle litte exceptions for your
Parkinson's -or they are not being charitable.

Re: No misunderstanding this time... The writitng on the wall

P.S -Andrew -have you read Silly Old Bear's profile ?

“ general I am a cantankerous, paranoid, cynical, verbally uncivilized and quite easily offended Bear ”
 
Please may you also be tolerant to him too ??

Re: No misunderstanding this time... The writitng on the wall

Hi mate.
I've made some comments on other groups and written to you. Cant say anymore. There are people here who love and appreciate you. 
I dont know much about Parkinsons except that Michael Fox has it. 
Sending you good vibes. You do what you need to do, stay, go, whatever works. 
(((Jenny)))

Re: No misunderstanding this time... The writitng on the wall

I've messaged you privately but wanted to say it here too.

I really hope you stay, Andrew. 

Love you lots and lots,

Nicole

Re: No misunderstanding this time... The writitng on the wall

Aus,

This is a repeat performance. Is this some type of 'Gaian martyrdom' you're seeking? Usually, when I make an erroneous judgment I say I'm sorry, make amends if possible and move on. Try that. This post-production theatrics seems a bit melodramatic don't you think?
It's understandable that parkinson's symptoms may impair memory. However, you seem clear enough to post sticky notes indicating who you should cease to interact with due to their sensitivity to your engagment style. Not everyone can engage in the rough and tumble play that you and I have, mate.
However, it seems to me that your copying and pasting of these dialogues seems more a claim to innocence, then an admission of guilt. Your sensitivity to the rejection of others seems to cause a need for mass validation.
Nevertheless, I only say these things because i know you can hack it and this is because I see how, at times, your certainly can dish it out! ; )
Obviously, most folks would prefer you continue to hang out, but they've told you that the last time (or was it the time before that).

Peace Aussie Bro!
mikeS

Re: No misunderstanding this time... The writitng on the wall

Big sighs all around. What a weird experience this whole online things is. Is this real or is this not? I don't get it anymore. I misunderstand it as much as I may be misunderstood.

Re: No misunderstanding this time... The writitng on the wall

Hi all.

I know most of you don't know me. And I don't participate in this pod alot.. hardly any except for 3 or more posts when it was made.

I figured I'd come here to figure out why Andrew left.
I just recently got his e-mail that he was leaving gaia.
And not leaving gaia is not looking like a bad idea on my part either.

I've been friends with Andrew since I joined Gaia almost a year ago.

And as everyone I found Gaia amazing and as the majority of people found Andrew to be a most interesting person.

Amoung the people I've met on gaia I cherish Andrew the most so I just wanted to put my two sense in on this whole catastrophe.

I think… it is absolutely BULL SHIT how Andrew has been treated.

It's understandable that our eccentric aussie friend has a tendancy to question bluntly what he doesn't understand and this might seem offensive to people, but to we forget that free thinking does not exsis without those to question what is placed before us when our brains to not fully comprehend whats going on?

I also understand that Andrew can be intimidating in his opinions which I have not experience first had because as far as I'm concerned he has never been anything but a sweet and intellectual man who wants to mingle with amazing people from around the world.

I used to think Gaia was different from other social networks and forums but the water runs clear after it goes over the rocks doesn't it.

The same drama and childishness goes on here as it does any online community except the worst part is that the people that go on this site claim to be on a 'path to higher conciousness and enlightenment and spiritual whatever' and still they refust to look past their own egos. It's one thing to pass a judgement on someone you don't know.. its another to be a hypocrite about it.

People didn't like Andrew because in a network of cotton candy he was the molassas. He didn't pretend to be sweet and contrite. He didn't put on this persona of being perfect.

He was himself on here.

I'm sorry I'm rambling on but I think it was gravely wrong the way our Andrew was treated and It makes me wonder why I still post on this website.

There are some amazing people here on gaia. But just like in the real world.. for every amazing person.. there are 4 more idiots who some how manage to blend in.

Maybe their just misunderstood to, whatever the case. I will miss Andrews awesomeness and I hope the SoB character is happy with passing judgement on a man who he has never even known…

much love,
Ashley

Re: No misunderstanding this time... The writitng on the wall

Well -as we all no Andrew has left -and while he had many freinds here,
that wasn't enough for him.
I am disappointed in him and Mike really hit the nail on the head,
I'm afraid.
Andrew was sensitive, without understanding others sensitivities as
well and I have to say Silly Old Bear has far more reason to be sensitive
than Andrew - and has handled the situation with much more dignity.

At the end of the day -even those that were not fans of Andrews
hoped he would stay -so he didn't HAVE to go.
I will keep in touch with him -and who know;s -maybe one day he will
come back -and this is going to be harder for him, than anyone else-
as I fel he will miss Gaia.

Ashley, please don't leave too on account of this -it has been very
upsetting for all of us involved in it and all attempts to make peace
WERE made.
It was Andrew's choice -he could have made the peace too and
accepted that not everyone liked him -he had his ways that to some
seemed offensive -misunderstood, perhaps, but he misunderstood
that other members have feelings as well.

We need to understand that -we are all different and we shoudd
respect that in each other.

Peace and love everyone -I am not going to post on this pod anymore-

Re: No misunderstanding this time... The writitng on the wall

The guy was deeply engaged in Gaia. Clearly he found it highly valuable to be here and there were many others who valued his input (and even enjoyed sparring with him). He started two groups and was a full participant of numerous others.

Therefore…

I got 10 bucks on his return in two weeks or less!

Any takers?

Thanks,
mikeS

Re: No misunderstanding this time... The writitng on the wall

I don't know, Mike. But I hope you're right, I miss him already,

Hugs,

Nicole