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Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 14, 11:20 AM: |
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is a continuation of our discussion Anger - How I deal with it - 1, Anger - How I deal with it - 2 and Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 3 =========================================== carrying over the last two posts from the previous thread - Gien said …and we are all just children too. we are just a bit older. We are all teachers and students at different stages of our life sometimes, even at different parts of the same minute! Teaching can only be effective if the teacher actually resonates with the student sees how the student sees the world and this involves deconstructing our own biases They always say when the student is ready the teacher will appear and this is based on wise observations of patience When someone is not ready to learn it doesn't matter what you say how many times you say it or how aggressively you say it nothing will be learned it will only be discarded in one way or another and on top of that you can even do more harm by creating more fear and less openness towards you ———— HummingBird said Teaching can only be effective if the teacher actually resonates with the student Gien, resonating seems so key, doesn't it. When we truly resonate with another we are just about as close to them and loving as one can be. |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 14, 11:29 AM: |
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Bob Bloom said |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Kathy said Oct 14, 7:26 PM: |
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I’ve been trying to heal painful memories of childhood trauma, but the powerful force of PTSD keeps bringing them back. However, I had a profound healing dream after attending lectures with an elderly Tibetan monk. In the dream, the monk came to my childhood home, took me by the hand, and lead me into the mine-field of the traumatic domain. On the walls were large photographs from my childhood, which were distorted, out of focus, turned sideways. With one sweep of his hand, the monk said “These distortions must come down!” and he pulled them off the wall. (This dream, incidentally, occurred after a Tibetan Empowerment Ritual involving the Boddhisattva, Manjushri, who “swings his sword of Wisdom to dissipate darkness and cleave the clouds of ignorance.”) |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 14, 7:54 PM: |
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Kathy your sharing is incredibly beautiful and moving. Thank you so much! “These distortions must come down!” So simple and so powerful! Every ache and pain can be transformed when we see the secret lesson as a jewel embedded by Guru Life - the term I love to use for this sacredness unfolding in every moment. Dear Kathy, sending so much love to the 'one' who was wounded and embracing the 'phoenix rising from the ashes' |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Gien said Oct 16, 12:25 AM: |
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Thank you for sharing your journey with us Kathy, |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Kathy said Oct 16, 1:59 PM: |
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Dear Gien, Thanks for your wonderful insights and reflections, again reminding of the benefits of mindfulness, the dispassionate witnessing of ever-changing emotions and thoughts, the imprints which percolate from the deeper layers of samskaras and the alayavijnana: |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Gien said Oct 16, 10:16 PM: |
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Hi Kathy, |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 16, 10:38 PM: |
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… breathing in the beauty of the posts on this thread, thank you |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Bob Bloom said Oct 16, 2:51 PM: |
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“Steps I take include out-picturing a positive world, compassionate understanding, and taking responsibility for my emotional reactions.” |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 14, 7:43 PM: |
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Dear Bob, I was thinking of musical instruments as i responded to Gien, thank you for resonating dear one |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Gien said Oct 16, 12:56 AM: |
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Howdy Bob, |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Meenakshi said Oct 14, 7:41 PM: |
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Kathy your post is so remarkable at many levels. One, that you have been able to understand the message in your dream. and two, that you've found how they help more than confrontation, which is usually from the literal, thinking, 'left' brain. |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Bhatta said Oct 14, 10:20 PM: |
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Mayo Clinic - Anger management tips: 10 ways to tame your temper |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 15, 7:32 AM: |
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Bhattaji these are so useful and practical I just have to bring them over! Thank you for the link |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 15, 11:27 PM: |
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Rumi's Keys… On Anger When you see the face of anger look behind it and you will see the face of pride. Bring anger and pride under your feet, turn them into a ladder and climb higher. There is no peace until you become their master. Let go of anger, it may taste sweet but it kills. Don't become its victim. You need humility to climb to freedom. … The Guest House This being human is a guest house Every morning a new arrival. A joy, a depression,a meanness, some momentary awareness comes as an unexpected visitor. Welcome and entertain them all! Even if they're a crowd of sorrows, who violently sweep your house empty of its furniture, still, treat each guest honorably. He may be clearing you out for some new delight The dark thought, the shame, the malice, meet them at the door laughing and invite them in. Be grateful for whoever comes, because each has been sent as a guide from beyond. — Real value comes with madness, Longing itself brings the cure. matzoob below, scientist above. Whoever finds love beneath hurt and grief disappears into emptiness with a thousand new disguises. *Matzoobs= “crazy wisdom people … I'm Not Saying This Right You bind me, and I tear away in a rage to open out into air, a round brightness, a candlepoint, all reason, all love. This confusing joy, your doing, this hangover, your tender thorn. You turn to look, I turn. I'm not saying this right. I am a jailed crazy who ties up spirit-women. I am Solomon. What goes comes back. Come back. We never left each other. A disbeliever hides disbelief, but I will say his secret. More and more awake, getting up at night, spinning and falling in love with Shams. … The Friend has rejected me He has broken my heart and shut the door. Now my desolate heart and I will sit patiently on his doorstep for He loves those with a broken heart. … I am in love not only with his smile and radiant face but also with his wrath and contempt. He has asked for my head I do not care if I lose it what makes me ecstatic is Him asking. … source |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 20, 1:23 AM: |
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Referring to Rumi's Guest House poem above, Anger is like a visitor. |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Gien said Oct 20, 2:35 AM: |
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True…..Each of us is a guide from beyond |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Bob Bloom said Oct 20, 3:34 PM: |
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Previously, Gien mentioned that 'anger' is a natural and normal human emotion. |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4~KES said Oct 20, 6:04 PM: |
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That is a funny joke. Thanks for telling it. |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 20, 8:16 PM: |
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I'll go learn from the Grandfather, Bob |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Gien said Oct 20, 10:52 PM: |
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Perhaps this will help explain what I mean, Bob |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 20, 11:57 PM: |
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Bob and Gien thank you for continuing to deepen our discussion. When I look back into the threads, I see similarity between what you are saying and also a range of variations on the subject. To spontaneously transform poisons into medicine…. .. sounds wonderfully alchemical, Gien |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 21, 2:09 AM: |
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When ever anger is about to come, you can train yourself to see the object of your anger in a different light. Any person or circumstance which causes anger is basically relative; seen from one angle it makes you angry, but seen from another perspective you may discover some good things in it. We lost our country, for example, and became refugees. If we look at our situation from that angle, we might feel frustration and sadness, yet the same event has created new opportunities - meeting with other people from different religious traditions, and so on. Developing a more flexible way of seeing things helps us cultivate a more balanced mental attitude. |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Bob Bloom said Oct 21, 9:25 AM: |
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“It is not enough to say we must not wage war. It is necessary to love peace and sacrifice for it.” |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Gien said Oct 21, 11:58 AM: |
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Hi Bob, |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Bob Bloom said Oct 21, 11:26 AM: |
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Hurdling Life Challenges |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Gien said Oct 21, 12:07 PM: |
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The human BEING was momentarily evicted from the body |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Bob Bloom said Oct 21, 1:07 PM: |
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“Perhaps Bob, this multiyear journey in Samsara is one huge and important lesson to you….a gift from beyond. you have learned so much about yourself from it….in a way that would simply not have been possible had this not happened to you.” |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Peacehunter said Oct 22, 6:38 AM: |
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(May be many of you would be annoyed as i'm interfering you all suddenly, yet, hope there won't be serious problem as all are discussing, how to (do I) deal with anger?) and may be bye know all know how to deal with it :) “Suppose n enemy has hurt you In what is now his domain, Why try yourself as well to hurt your mind? That is not domain. “This anger that you entertain Is gnawing at the very roots Of all the virtues that you guard - Where is there such a fool as you! “Another does ignoble deeds, So you are angry - how is this? Do you then want to copy, too, The sort of acts that he commits? “Suppose another, to annoy, provokes you with some odious act, Why suffer anger to spring up, And do as he would have you do? “If you get angry, then may be You make him suffer, may be not; Though with the hurt that anger brings You certainly are punished now. “If anger - blinded enemies Set out to tread the path of woe, Do you, by getting angry too, Intend to follow heel to toes? “If hurt is done you by a foe Because of anger on your part, Then put your anger down, for why Should you be harassed needlessly? “Since states last but a moment's time, Those aggregates, by which was done The odious act, have ceased, so now What is it you are angry with? “When should he hurt, who seeks to hurt Another, in the other's absence? Your presence is the cause of hurt; why are you angry, then, with him? Visuddhimagga (The Path of Purification)
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Nicole said Oct 22, 7:05 AM: |
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peacehunter, thank you so much! you are most welcome and this is beautiful and helpful. |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 22, 7:12 AM: |
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You are so welcome, dear Shuva, to this discussion by the wonder filled open windows in our midst. Thank you for sharing this beautiful text so full of wisdom! |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Peacehunter said Oct 22, 7:52 AM: |
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Thank you, Nicole and Anna, |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Gien said Oct 24, 10:08 PM: |
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If we are open |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 21, 12:29 PM: |
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Bob giving you a hug right here in the present! |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Bob Bloom said Oct 23, 5:23 PM: |
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The Upside of Anger |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 23, 9:11 PM: |
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anger is a higher vibrational state than worry, anxiety, depression, apathy, sorrow, grief and shock Bob, Im wondering if depression is due to suppression of feelings such as worry, anxiety, sorrow, grief, etc all I have to be is PRESENT! Anger does facilitate a sense of being present, doesn't it! I guess the thing is to be present in other ways too so no harm is done to others or oneself |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Bob Bloom said Oct 24, 11:42 AM: |
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“Bob, Im wondering if depression is due to suppression of feelings such as worry, anxiety, sorrow, grief, etc.” |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 24, 12:03 PM: |
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anger typically provides us with a heightened sense of awareness of our immediate surroundings, but that typically doesn't translate into an expanded state of conscious awareness. Bob it's as though when one is angry there is a surge of energy, powerful and directed attention to the moment, no distraction and there is not an expanded state of conscious awareness - more like 'tunnel or blinkered vision'. |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Trichronos said Oct 23, 9:59 PM: |
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Bob: |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 24, 3:52 AM: |
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When I stopped responding to the stimulus, they lost control of me. Wonderful discovery, Trichronos! While I am still under financial and personal pressure, things seem to have a way of coming through to me when I need them. Divine support If we want to receive power from others…. I'm wondering if we do receive power from others, love |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4Gien said Oct 25, 1:12 PM: |
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Here's an example of a creative way to channel anger to make positive change, both for oneself and others in the world. |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Oct 26, 12:15 AM: |
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a few posts on anger - |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Nov 14, 4:47 AM: |
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…. Look at people whenever they get excited, anxious or angry. They actually go mad. Anger is nothing but temporary madness, and it is the same with excitement and anxiety …. Amma SAKSHI BHAVA (THE STATE OF ETERNAL WITNESSING) Questioner: Amma, the other day You were mentioning the state of sakshi bhava, or witness consciousness. I wonder if witnessing is a function of the mind, or is it an experience beyond the mind? Ammachi: No, it is not a function of the mind. Sakshi bhava is a state in which you remain constantly detached and untouched, simply watching everything that happens, without the interference of the mind and it's thoughts. You cannot be a witness to everything if there is a constant interference of the mind. The mind consists of thoughts. It can only think and doubt. In that supreme state of witnessing, you constantly abide in your true nature. In shashi bhava you become a witness to everything. You simply watch everything. There is no attachment or involvement. There is only watching. You will even witness your own thoughts. As you consciously observe your own thought process, you are not thinking - you are not doing anything. You are still. You are simply watching and enjoying, without being moved or affected by anything. How can the mind be in a state such as this? The mind can only think, doubt and cling. It cannot witness. The thinking process belong to the mind, whereas witnessing belong to the higher Self. Witnessing is a state of abiding in Pure Consciousness. The and it's thoughts are not real. They are the fiction of your own creation. Consciousness alone is real. Thinking may seem natural to you, but it is not natural. It is not a part of your real existence. Your thoughts and your ego create nothing but restlessness and agitation. They don't belong to you, and you will continue to be restless until they are eliminated. Witnessing is the state of simply watching with perfect awareness. In the state of sakshi bhava you are absolutely conscious. On the other hand, when you are identified with your mind and thoughts, you are not conscious - you are far away from Pure Consciousness. You are in darkness and cannot really see. The mind sees only the external world, the outer shape of things. It can never see something as it really is because you never see, you only think. And when you think you miss the thing as it is. More and more accumulation and indulgence will only create more thoughts, and more thoughts will drive you away from your real Center. In order to witness, one needs to be established in a supreme state of detachment. A clinging mind cannot witness; it can only be attached to thoughts and objects. It cares only about 'I' and 'mine.' In witnessing there is no experience of 'I' and 'mine.' You go beyond all such limited, narrow thoughts. More…. |
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Re: Open Windows. Anger - How I deal with it - 4HummingBird said Dec 3, 9:10 AM: |
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This thread is becoming long and slow, our conversation continues here |
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