Gaia: Science + Mysticism

I would like to contribute if I can! :-)

http://ian-maleny.gaia.com — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:46:49 GMT

Hi All,
Having just read this introduction to this Discussion Board,
A place to share knowledge and review, links, articles, books, videos, audio lectures and other bits of knowledge, new and old; to help broaden our perspective and tantalize our neurons.
It struck me that I could possibly stir up some discussion by suggesting to members that they check out my profile, my book (via the profile) and my blog.
Enough said - lets see what happens!
See you later,
With love,
Ian.
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Re: Alpbach 25 years on

Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:10:37 GMT

Sounds amazing, I've often wished to part take in such an event or liste/speak amongst a similar gathering of individuals in perhaps a more private setting .... It's a lot to ask ;) Unfortunately I don't have the information you're looking for.

Re: The Road to Ascension - A video interview with David Wilcock

http://jasperblake.gaia.com — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:14:53 GMT

Apologies for the delay in replying - my attention has been directed elsewhere recently.

My main areas of interest in British archaeology were Iron Age, Roman and Medieval, and landscape archaeology in particular. Most of my excavation experience was on Roman and Medieval period sites, mainly in and around Monmouth and the Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire.

Having moved to Arizona I have been excavating exclusively on pre-Columbian Hohokam-culture sites.

Re: The Road to Ascension - A video interview with David Wilcock

http://jasperblake.gaia.com — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:07:49 GMT

I agree it is pretty far out there, and I wouldn't have given it much credence either if I had not read Wilcock's 'Shift of Ages' and 'Divine Cosmos' , which very much builds on the Law of One, Ra Material. These provide the scientific and metaphysical background and the video very much needs to be seen in that context. Apologies if I didn't make that clear in my original posting.

Re: The Road to Ascension - A video interview with David Wilcock

http://jasperblake.gaia.com — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:01:27 GMT

I agree - it did for me too. But I persevered and read 'Shift of Ages' and 'Divine Cosmos' on his web site and most of it made sense, and built on the Law of One material. It seemed to me that he wasn't trying to exploit the Cayce connection in everything he did - he made a case, put it out and has moved on. I don't have an opinion on way or another on the subject - but I do think his Shift of Ages and Divine Cosmos are worth reading, and I shall definately see his Convergence film when it comes out. Ultimately, the video needs to be seen in context with those works and the Law of One material, and even then it is up to the individual to find what works for them or doesn't - that's why we have free will.

Re: The Road to Ascension - A video interview with David Wilcock

http://jasperblake.gaia.com — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:46:09 GMT

For those who enjoyed the 'Road to Ascension' video - there is a follow up discussion, also filmed by the Project Camelot team and continuing with more discussion of reverse-engineered alien 'jump-gate' technology and the base on Mars ... make up your own minds!

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=370&Itemid=115

cheers,

Jasper

Alpbach 25 years on

http://afonfarch.gaia.com — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:39:55 GMT

In 1983 I attended my very first "mystics and scientists" event. A conference held in the atttractive Austrian alpine village of Alpbach.

The conference was Andere Wirklichkeiten (Other Realities) (though most of the presentations were in English)

The speaker list was inpressive and included the Dalai Lama , Fritzjof Capra, David Bohm, Rupert Sheldrake and many others.

Since then I have been to some of the Wrekin Trust/Scientific and Medical Network events, read voraciously on related topics, and have a desire to study formally Transpersonal Psychology, though my first degree is in Physics

I'd very much like to do something to mark the 25th anniversary next summer. As far as Ii can tell with online research , the conference proceedings were only published in German,
and I was wondering whether an english translation was ever published, or if it would be possible to produce an english translation for the anniversary together with letters or essays from the speakers who are still with us, and/or contemporary experts looking back at the progress over 25 years and perhaps looking ahead to the future.

This is very much a hope and a dream rather than a firm project at the moment. I'm intrested to see how any shoots have grown since those seeds sown in mountain air and hope, all those years ago.

Any feedback on this history will be gratefully recieved

Re: Intelligent Design vs Darwinism

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:09:49 GMT

I think it is more important to understand what has happened in the last 150 or even in this decade, which a lot of people are completely confused about.

The question of human origins is not answerable definitively, you have to pick your model and go with it. I happen to believe that a guiding intelligence is an unprovable proposition, and that trying to "prove" it, at least with a hidden Christian fundamentalist agenda, generally does violence to the scientific evidence. It is a philosophical debate, not a debate based on evidence. For this reason I find it irrelevent. I do not require it and it does not further inform who I am in my daily life. In fact "the ideals of 4000-2000 years ago" have more relevence, at least when it comes to the teachings of the Buddhadharma, for instance, than the debate over whether darwinian evolution is an accurate representation of human origins, and those ideals can certainly be brought up when dealing with daily affairs. You are right, I suppose, that his disregard for questions that he found fruitless, does not necessarily define the issue, I was illustrating my own opinion with the quote.

I am interested in how you feel that this is important as a more than intellectual curiousity. How is it more important than understanding the issues of our relationship to our environment or to the rest of humanity, in the present day and going forward. There is nothing mysterious about the fact that we are all one human species, regardless of origins, and that we have one planet to live on and we had better get our act together or we will be pondering our endgame not our origins

Re: Intelligent Design vs Darwinism

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:53:12 GMT

On the contrary I think this is a question of fundamental importance, to us as a species and for our evolution. To understand the future we must understand our past. Regardless, the Buddha or what the Buddha supposedly said or did, does not in any way shape or form discredit this venture, the ideals of 4000-2000 years ago can not be quoted for present day.

Much has changed and is changing, and we are constantly coming closer to uncovering more detail of this this most important question. This question in fact relates to the root of humanity, the root of our semantic self inquery and understanding... Who are are, What we are, Where we are from and where then we are going.

Re: The Road to Ascension - A video interview with David Wilcock

Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:46:40 GMT

Jasper, what is your area of study in Archaeology? I have archaeologist friends in the Southwest, and I did some field work in Hawai'i in the early 90s. Definitely the coolest thing I ever did for money.

Re: The Road to Ascension - A video interview with David Wilcock

Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:43:29 GMT

I don't know what to say... maybe it's because I am a Curmudgeon... but if the Wilcock site and the site it led me to :"Interplanetary Day after Tomorrow" define what you mean by either science or mysticism, then I misunderstood what the pod was about. I confess I didn't watch the video clip, I think I would have found it painful, but I will try to find time to watch for a few minutes. This all sets my bullshit meter ringing past the redline. The "science" is selective and shallow, as is the "mysticism". "Spiritualism" would be a better word. Sorry. This is one of my pet peeves, having been deeply interested in science and a student of mysticism for decades, this is the sandbox version. I don't want to play in the sandbox while the house is on fire.

Re: Intelligent Design vs Darwinism

Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:10:30 GMT

I believe that this question is almost completely irrelevent. It does not help me be a better kinder more compassionate person. It is important to idealogues, dogmatists, and people who feel obliged to defend against religious fundamentalists. There are much more urgent matters to be concerned with.

As the Buddha said regarding questions of the origin of the universe, etc.: "This question does not edify."

Re: Atlantis, The Golden, Age and the Procession of the Equinox

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:04:35 GMT

I have heard all types of other theories, stating that Atlantis has its rightful place where the current Arctic or Antarctic is, I can't recall... Might be able to find some information on it by googling it... However, although Atlantis/Edgar Cayce don't necessarily relate to Science/Mysticism directly, they are likely good topic starters to peak peoples interests.

If you are interested in Bohm etc, check out some of the links I have in the other forum section.

Re: The Road to Ascension - A video interview with David Wilcock

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:58:04 GMT

"self-professed reincarnation of Edgar Cayce" -got to admit, Jasper. A wee red flag popped up when I read over that particular statement! I shall never the less make a point of watching this video clip and get back to you here in Science & Mysticism.

Cheers.

The Road to Ascension - A video interview with David Wilcock

http://jasperblake.gaia.com — Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:01:37 GMT

http://www.projectcamelot.org/david_wilcock.html Project Camelot's interview with David Wilcock is part of the redirection of Camelot’s energies toward the future of our planet in the years leading up to 2012. As the self-professed reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, David Wilcock is a good person to start with. In some ways, Camelot has approached David less in the traditional interview mode and more with the stance that all they had to do was to place the camera at the opportune time and place and the rest would take care of itself. And so it happened. David is extremely well-read, eloquent and dynamic and in our conversation was able to hit the ground running. He tells us about his own spiritual journey, how he came to terms with his very probable prior life as Edgar Cayce, his meetings with members of the Black Ops community and encounters with the world of the Illuminati, his understanding of the Law of One and the ‘Ra material’, and his in-depth scientific investigations. Wrapping his own considerable channeling abilities into a vast and lucid review of the scientific basis for the coming changes approaching 2012, this interview will raise many questions and provoke a great deal of thought. To his credit, in this lifetime David has duly recognized the areas where his prior self needed to grow and has set to work rectifying these things with a frank self-appraisal in the spirit of truth. He’s not lost his former channeling ability, but in this lifetime has complimented that skill with a solid grounding in science to augment both his knowledge and intuition and gain greater leverage into the social and mental thought framework of today's world. David is currently working with Richard Hoagland on an investigation into the planetary changes surrounding 2012, and is the co-author of the extremely important and well-researched article to be found on Hoagland's website entitled The Interplanetary Day After Tomorrow. This is recommended reading for all. In presenting this material, Project Camelot recognizes that some of what David states is contentious, and they encourage everyone to consider David's conclusions in the spirit of open inquiry and as part of an ongoing investigation into the mystery surrounding 2012. This interview is in four parts. http://www.projectcamelot.org/david_wilcock.html

Re: Atlantis, The Golden, Age and the Procession of the Equinox

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:26:01 GMT

As an addendum, I would like to say that the subject of Atlantis, and the subject of Edgar Cayce have little to do with science or with mysicism. Perhaps folklore, insofar as it has to do with human consciousness, in a Jungian POV, but not as evidence-based science. I had the privilege of doing field archaeology in Hawai'i in the early 90's, which was one of the most excellent experiences of my work-life, and I don't think "research" on Atlantis comes close. I don't think of Edgar Cayce as being a mystic. With apologies to his followers, I am not sure what he was, except perhaps a wise man; but I regard mystics such as Rumi, the author of "The Cloud of Unknowing", Hui Neng, my own teacher, Kirpal Singh, Nagarjuna, etc., to be on an entirely different level of penetration into the reality of human consciousness.

In my "humble opinion" I think looking at the writings of David Bohm, (and others, such as those presented in Wilber's book "Quantum Questions"), Richard Feynman, Nagarjuna, Robert Aitken, and others of this caliber would be a more interesting and fruitful endeavor for those interested in Science + Mysticism.

Re: Atlantis, The Golden, Age and the Procession of the Equinox

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:47:14 GMT

O dear, o dear. Where to begin...

First it is the precession of the equinoxes, and is the result of the gravitational pull of the sun and moon on the earth's equitorial bulge. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession_of_the_equinoxes)

Then... please, a little understanding of geology (especially for an archaeologist) is essential knowledge for us all, considering the ways in which the facts of geology are impacting us in our present time frame. I won't load you up now on my passion about peak oil, just check my blog (http://curmudgeon.zaadz.com/blog). Anyway, there is no geologically valid evidence for a continent existing in the Atlantic Ocean as recently as <100,000 years, which suddenly and catastrophically disappeared as recently as 10,000. There were plenty of microcontinents and volcanic island arcs drifting around in the geologic past. I live near one now, and Boston sits on the Avalonian Terrane, part of which is in Great Britain and Belgium as it was split when the Atlantic Ocean formed after the rifting of Pangea in the Jurassic, more than 145 Million years ago. The earth is a pretty dynamic place on the scale of geologic Ages, but it is pretty stable place on the scale of the existence of humans. Also I find it interesting to find theories of alien assistance to civilizations in creating their architectural wonders, except that it is usually only the brown and black skinned races that seem to have needed help. I have never heard that the Druids, for instance, or any other northern European race needed help from aliens, only the Maya or the Egyptians, etc.

Sometimes it pays to think of the subtexts of these (predominantly) European mythic ideas/interpretations. The continent of Lemuria is another example: the unwillingness of European geographers to credit the phenomenal navigational prowess of the Polynesian mariners, et voila! there must have been a huge continent that vanished beneath the waves, and the natives just walked to the various mountain tops which are now the Islands of Poly/Micronesia.

Edgar Cayce's visions... well, I don't know, but I think they were more about the mind of Edgar Cayce than about the earth's past, and perhaps more about human conscious generally than about Edgar Cayce's individual consciousness. Metaphor metaphor metaphor.

Re: Atlantis, The Golden, Age and the Procession of the Equinox

http://jasperblake.gaia.com — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:49:33 GMT

Anyone interested in the subject of Procession of the Equinox, or what is also termed "precession" should look at the work of psychic David Wilcock at his website www.divinecosmos.com especially "Shift of Ages - Scientific proof for Ascension", a free E-book available on the website at the following link: http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=6&id=18&Itemid=36 The companion free E-book, "Divine Cosmos" goes into more depth on the science behind Ascension and Oneness and ties in with the Ra Material - a must read for anyone seriously interested in the science of the universe!

Re: Atlantis, The Golden, Age and the Procession of the Equinox

Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:06:45 GMT

I have been staying in touch with this thread and reading it bit by bit. A lot of fascinating insights there, guys. Thanks for sharing. I hope to find the time to comment in full soon, once my own ideas have been formulated and the 'new info' taken into consideration.

Cheers.

Re: Atlantis, The Golden, Age and the Procession of the Equinox

http://jasperblake.gaia.com — Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:21:25 GMT

Thought Atlantis watchers might be interested in the latest finding from the A.R.E's explorations in Bimini - just published! http://edgarcayce.org/search_for_atlantis_part3.asp