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Re: Atlantis, The Golden, Age and the Procession of the Equinox

Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:04:35 GMT

I have heard all types of other theories, stating that Atlantis has its rightful place where the current Arctic or Antarctic is, I can't recall... Might be able to find some information on it by googling it... However, although Atlantis/Edgar Cayce don't necessarily relate to Science/Mysticism directly, they are likely good topic starters to peak peoples interests.

If you are interested in Bohm etc, check out some of the links I have in the other forum section.

Re: Atlantis, The Golden, Age and the Procession of the Equinox

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:26:01 GMT

As an addendum, I would like to say that the subject of Atlantis, and the subject of Edgar Cayce have little to do with science or with mysicism. Perhaps folklore, insofar as it has to do with human consciousness, in a Jungian POV, but not as evidence-based science. I had the privilege of doing field archaeology in Hawai'i in the early 90's, which was one of the most excellent experiences of my work-life, and I don't think "research" on Atlantis comes close. I don't think of Edgar Cayce as being a mystic. With apologies to his followers, I am not sure what he was, except perhaps a wise man; but I regard mystics such as Rumi, the author of "The Cloud of Unknowing", Hui Neng, my own teacher, Kirpal Singh, Nagarjuna, etc., to be on an entirely different level of penetration into the reality of human consciousness.

In my "humble opinion" I think looking at the writings of David Bohm, (and others, such as those presented in Wilber's book "Quantum Questions"), Richard Feynman, Nagarjuna, Robert Aitken, and others of this caliber would be a more interesting and fruitful endeavor for those interested in Science + Mysticism.

Re: Atlantis, The Golden, Age and the Procession of the Equinox

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:47:14 GMT

O dear, o dear. Where to begin...

First it is the precession of the equinoxes, and is the result of the gravitational pull of the sun and moon on the earth's equitorial bulge. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession_of_the_equinoxes)

Then... please, a little understanding of geology (especially for an archaeologist) is essential knowledge for us all, considering the ways in which the facts of geology are impacting us in our present time frame. I won't load you up now on my passion about peak oil, just check my blog (http://curmudgeon.zaadz.com/blog). Anyway, there is no geologically valid evidence for a continent existing in the Atlantic Ocean as recently as <100,000 years, which suddenly and catastrophically disappeared as recently as 10,000. There were plenty of microcontinents and volcanic island arcs drifting around in the geologic past. I live near one now, and Boston sits on the Avalonian Terrane, part of which is in Great Britain and Belgium as it was split when the Atlantic Ocean formed after the rifting of Pangea in the Jurassic, more than 145 Million years ago. The earth is a pretty dynamic place on the scale of geologic Ages, but it is pretty stable place on the scale of the existence of humans. Also I find it interesting to find theories of alien assistance to civilizations in creating their architectural wonders, except that it is usually only the brown and black skinned races that seem to have needed help. I have never heard that the Druids, for instance, or any other northern European race needed help from aliens, only the Maya or the Egyptians, etc.

Sometimes it pays to think of the subtexts of these (predominantly) European mythic ideas/interpretations. The continent of Lemuria is another example: the unwillingness of European geographers to credit the phenomenal navigational prowess of the Polynesian mariners, et voila! there must have been a huge continent that vanished beneath the waves, and the natives just walked to the various mountain tops which are now the Islands of Poly/Micronesia.

Edgar Cayce's visions... well, I don't know, but I think they were more about the mind of Edgar Cayce than about the earth's past, and perhaps more about human conscious generally than about Edgar Cayce's individual consciousness. Metaphor metaphor metaphor.

Re: Atlantis, The Golden, Age and the Procession of the Equinox

http://jasperblake.gaia.com — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:49:33 GMT

Anyone interested in the subject of Procession of the Equinox, or what is also termed "precession" should look at the work of psychic David Wilcock at his website www.divinecosmos.com especially "Shift of Ages - Scientific proof for Ascension", a free E-book available on the website at the following link: http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=6&id=18&Itemid=36 The companion free E-book, "Divine Cosmos" goes into more depth on the science behind Ascension and Oneness and ties in with the Ra Material - a must read for anyone seriously interested in the science of the universe!

Re: Atlantis, The Golden, Age and the Procession of the Equinox

Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:06:45 GMT

I have been staying in touch with this thread and reading it bit by bit. A lot of fascinating insights there, guys. Thanks for sharing. I hope to find the time to comment in full soon, once my own ideas have been formulated and the 'new info' taken into consideration.

Cheers.

Re: Atlantis, The Golden, Age and the Procession of the Equinox

http://jasperblake.gaia.com — Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:21:25 GMT

Thought Atlantis watchers might be interested in the latest finding from the A.R.E's explorations in Bimini - just published! http://edgarcayce.org/search_for_atlantis_part3.asp

Re: Atlantis, The Golden, Age and the Procession of the Equinox

http://jasperblake.gaia.com — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:49:27 GMT

Does Atlantis exist? I don't know about procession and equinox - that is something I will have to follow up on - but for me, as an archaeologist, the question of whether Atlantis existed or not is an interesting and timely one. Archaeologists are trained to discover information about past civilisations by studying the material remains left behind by those ancient peoples. They are also taught to question the context of written evidence, and to ensure that hypotheses are based on artefactual evidence from strong and sealed contexts - not stray finds that could come from anywhere. Thus, for most archaeologists, until there is physical evidence to the contrary, Atlantis remains merely a myth, at best one based on a half-forgotten reality of a similar catastrophic event elsewhere, sometime in the distant past. However, what really drew my attention back to the subject of Atlantis was the discovery of the psychic readings of Edgar Cayce. The Evidence of Edgar Cayce’s psychic readings Overall, Edgar Cayce gave some 700 readings pertaining to Atlantis, with some 400 individuals named, usually within the context of a past life of the subject of the reading. Through these many readings, conducted over the course of many years, a coherent story of the rise and fall of this great civilisation began to emerge. It also became apparent that the story of Atlantis was also intimately tied up with the history of mankind's early development. The story also highlighted the concept of a Universal Oneness and the effects caused when individuals and groups acted contrary to the Laws of One. In the beginning, when human beings first came to the earth to experience the sensations of being in a physical world, they entered in their natural form - their spiritual form - their soul form (for more on this see the thread entitled Darwinism vs Intelligent Design). In his readings Cayce refers to individual souls as "entities" meaning that part of the individual which Cayce said survives death. When souls or entities first began to experiment with physical forms these forms were manifested from projections of their thoughts – thought forms – taking on all manner of weird and wonderful characteristics with varieties of size and animal attributes. But in succumbing to the pleasures of being physical entities they forgot their spiritual origins. It was only later, in own present form, that we had body, the temple, the physical attributes to reconnect with the spiritual. Cayce's son, Hugh Lynn Cayce, (in Atlantis Revisited, 2006), explains what happened to these earlier experiments with physical form: Very early in Atlantean history, two factions arose that were deeply split over the issue of how to treat these souls that had become so entangled in matter. The readings coined the terms “sons of the law of one”` and “sons of Belial”. The sons of the law of one were those who believed the soul was a gift from God and strove to keep the race pure and free from animal characteristics and appendages. They wanted to aid those deeply entangled in the physical world and help them regain their positions as creatures of God. The sons of Belial were those without standard or morality and believed in gratification of the senses without respect to others. They looked down on these entangled souls as “things” to be treated as slaves or machines. (Hugh Lynn Cayce) The conflicts between these two groups were to be long lasting and eventually to lead to the destruction of the entire Atlantean civilisation. For a full account of the Atlantean story see the bibliography at the end. It is too long to go into detail here. I shall just give you an overview of the destruction of Atlantis which might serve to highlight some of the problems and potentials in finding evidence of the existence of Atlantis. The First Destruction The first destruction seems to have been caused as an accidental consequence of the misuse of Altlantis’ advanced technology, occurring sometime around 50,000 BC. The lands at that time were plagued by large numbers of monstrous beast-like animals which would prey on the unwary. In Cayce's reading 1378-1, he states: . . . in Atlantean land during those periods when there were the first rebellions that brought the misapplication of the knowledge; or the forces that might have been used constructively but were used in destructive activities. The entity joined with the sons of Belial who brought about destructive forces in the attempts to destroy the animal life that in other lands overran same. 1378 – 1 Other readings expand on the misapplication of such technology, talking of a “death ray” or “super-cosmic ray” (possibly a laser type weapon) being used; In reading 364-4 he says that: These destructive forces combined with those natural resources of the gases, of the electrical forces made in nature, caused volcanic eruptions in the slow cooling earth, and that portion now near what would be termed the Sargasso Sea first went into the depths. With this there again came the first egress of peoples. 364 – 4 In the end, the readings go on to say the animals were destroyed not by the actions of the Atlanteans, but by a shift in the earth’s magnetic poles causing a destruction of their habitats. Although many Atlanteans perished and others were forced to flee from these destructive forces, the readings speak of a continued high civilization and advances in technology. Many readings imply the ability to harness and transmit power from the sun through the use of crystals, specifically what Cayce termed the “Firestone”. The Second Destruction The second destruction occurred sometime around 28,000BC. The readings indicate that at that time the Atlantean continent had split into three principal islands (Posidia, Aryan and Og), together with a few smaller ones. The readings suggest that the feuding continued and that many Atlanteans were leaving to escape it: for example in reading 470-22 he says: There were those . . . who left the activities to engage in the building up of then activities in the Peruvian land. For the Atlanteans were becoming decadent, or being broken up owing to the disputes between the children of the Law of One and the children of Belial. 470 – 22 The power stations which used this ‘Firestone’, to tap into natural earth or universal forces, were used by the Atlanteans as sources of power, including the remote powering of a variety of types of flying craft, undersea craft, and a communications system which sounds remarkably akin to television. However, it appears that these ‘power stations’, located at various points throughout Atlantis, were tuned too high causing catastrophic earthquakes and volcanic action which broke up the land into a number of small islands. The Final Destruction By the time of the final destruction, sometime around 10,000BC, some of the Atlantean technology had survived the previous calamities, as had the two feuding factions of the Children of the Law of One and the sons of Belial. It was probably no coincidence that the last remnants of Atlantis were to disappear as the last ice age ended - (sounds like an effect of procession to me). The readings suggest the Atlanteans knew beforehand that their remaining lands were likely to disappear under the rising sea levels and many made preparations to leave for other, safer lands in both the east and the west. The readings tell of the Atlantean influence on the early tribes living in what was to become Egypt, as well as various parts of both north and south Americas – the Iroquois are said to be direct descendents of the Atlanteans, as are the Basques of northern Spain. Physical Evidence? Records of the Atlantean civilization, including a history of their peoples and descriptions of their technology are said to have been taken to three different locations around the world for safe keeping – one in an underground chamber located just south of the Sphinx in Egypt; one to an unknown location somewhere in the Pyranees; and one buried beneath a pre-Mayan pyramid mound somewhere in the Yucatan Peninsula, Guatamala. Despite attempts to find them they have remained have yet to be found. However, with concrete evidence still lacking despite Cayce’s predictions of parts of Atlantis “rising again” , and with the Atlantic Ridge dated as being too young and geologically wrong for a lost continent, most archaeologists remain unconvinced that there ever was a high civilisation now lost beneath the Atlantic Ocean. The writings of the Greek philosipher, Plato - who started the whole thing off and were, for a long time, seen as the best evidence for Atlantis being based in fact - are now seen, in the end, as merely the retelling of an earlier Egyptian myth. Some have tried to make a case for Atlantis being located elsewhere - the volcanic Greek island of Santorini for example, or even the Minoan civilisation on Crete, both destroyed by catastrophic volcano eruptions. But Cayce firmly places the lost Continent in the Atlantic Ocean between the American and European Continents. For a good overview of the evidence, and for an interesting alternative interpretation of Plato’s story of Atlantis, be sure to read James and Thorpe’s 1999 book ‘Ancient Mysteries’ published by Ballantine Books of New York (see Bibliography ). I think the key problem in terms of evidence is the timeframe - 10,000 years is a long time for artefacts to survive, especially when they are under hundreds of feet of water or following major geological change. Another problem is that a lot writers underestimate the abilities of prehistoric people's. They think that with primitive technologies they couldn't possibly have achieved some of the great architectural feats that are still visible in the jungles of South America and the Far East, for example. They must have had some help from an advanced civilisation. But this is to do human beings a great disservice. They were far more capable than we give them credit for, especially when it comes to early seafaring, and the intervention of a 'high' technology is simple not required. So Did Atlantis Exist? An if it did, what does it mean for us? Ultimately, if Cayce is to be believed, then physical evidence of the lost civilization of Atlantis will undoubtedly emerge, and interesting discoveries are taking place around the Bimini area thanks to ARE research, which you can follow on their website at http://edgarcayce.org/am/atlantisnews.html - though there is a long way to go do get any definitive evidence. Perhaps, the use of psychic techniques such as dowsing (pinpointing the location of something using rods or a pendulum) and psychometry (gaining psychic insights through the touching of objects) might help archaeology to locate surviving evidence of Atlantis - if the discipline where to be capable of accepting such help. Cayce also stated that many entities/souls around in Atlantean times were reincarnating because of our advances in our technology - the world was becoming interesting once again. The trouble is, some of the individuals whose former lives included Atlantean ones were said to be not only Children of the Law of One but also Sons of Belial. Are they bringing their conflicts into a new age? Or have they learnt the error of their ways in the intervening millennia? There seem to be many disturbing themes to this story with many modern parallels. One has to ask, that if Atlantis did indeed exist, and that their advanced technology is lying there waiting to be discovered, whether mankind is really ready to receive that knowledge. Would we not make the mistakes that they made, and lead us to the destruction of our world as it did theirs? 12,000 years may have passed but has mankind’s propensity for misusing such technology diminished at all over that time span? Maybe the time to discover all that Atlantis has to teach us is not quite here just yet. Maybe after 2012 when the effects of procession (if I understand the term correctly) have had time to make their effects felt. However, perhaps for a lot of people, the time to discover Edgar Cayce is very much here. Bibliography Little G. & Van Auken J. 2004 Edgar Cayce's Atlantis Cayce E.E.,Cayce Schwartzer G. & Richards D. 2006 Atlantis Revisited (2nd Ed) Little L. & Van Auken John 2005 Lost Hall of Records James P. & Thorpe N. 1999 Ancient Mysteries Ballantine Books, NewYork To read Plato’s account of the lost continent of Atlantis see the following website: http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/Atlantis/timaeus_and_critias.html http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_10.htm http://edgarcayce.org/am/atlantisnews.html

Atlantis, The Golden, Age and the Procession of the Equinox

Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:23:27 GMT

Procession of the Equinox, describes a wobble within the earths rotation which by ancient understandings every some odd 20 thousand years, beckons a cosmic and astrological age. The constellations are thus re-aligned and certain star systems have a more direct/powerful relationship with our Earth. ie) Age of Aquarius which we are entering into.

Many theories exist, which link the Procession of the Equinox to human consciousness, and our ability to comprehend unity, to be launched into a Golden age of reason and insight vs a Dark age of egocentrism and ignorance.

Such theories are often used to account for the Myth of Atlantis and its disappearance.

Do you believe Atlantis exists? Were Edgar Cayce's visions correct? Does the Procession of the Equinox have any validity? Can it truly explain global consciousness and evolution?

~Once again, I will share my personal views after.