The End of the World - What's Next?

Thinking this morning about how the universe can be geometrically explained, the current economic situation being what it is, I geometrically explained credit to myself by drawing a horizontal line and let it represent borrowers without credit. At the center point of this line. I drew a vertical line, representing credit, so that from the center point, there were four equidistant legs. Then I connected the legs with lines, thus forming a square. That is, four-square: forthright and without equivocation, this diagram represented the maximum credit allowable for borrowers—if there is to be a balanced economy.

Unfortunately, there is not a balanced economy, you understand, because if I extend the vertical credit line, that means the horizontal borrower line would have to be shortened, thus forming a diamond shape. Anything else and I’d be equivocating—misleading myself or rationalizing in order to avoid commitment. This is exactly what government officials, bankers, Wall Street, and insurers did. They equivocated.

Banks are depositories for people’s money. The money is loaned to borrowers who pay interest. That’s the way banks make money. Thus, by lengthening the vertical credit line and artificially stretching the horizontal borrower line, banks equivocate in order to make more money, and the more they make, the more they equivocate, as the record clearly shows. And birds of a feather all flock together. Money goes where money flows.

During the Bush Administration, it was let the good times roll. Private and public credit zoomed out of control. There alwarys comes a day of reckoning, and it happened at the end of the Bush Administration. The economy commenced to collapse and Bush officials hit the panic button. They rushed in with bailout money, without controls over said equivocators. Billions of taxpayer dollars were flushed down a toilet.

With Bush’s far out of balance credit situation, and the economy faltering, enter the Obama Administration. To get credit back in balance would have meant putting the lid on borrowing, which could have brought about a depression. So, in order to get the economy moving forward again, the Obama Administration continued with the Bush plan of bailing out the very people responsible for the out balance credit situation, with taxpayer money, but at least with strings attached. Moreover, the Obama Administration rushed through an economic stimulus package nobody read, adding to that a budget that doubled the national debt (which the Bush Administration had already doubled.)

So, here we are, looking at my diagram, with the national debt quadrupled. I now have a vertical credit line several times as long and the horizontal borrower line, which has been artificially stretched far beyond the breaking point. The urgency lies in the fact that there has been a progressive shift in property rights over the past two centuries, and now, as to those former rights, the almost complete replacement of those rights the focus of the law’s concern. It is with the complete dismissal of future generations’ property rights that this abomination takes place.

Louis Pasteur said, “Chance favors the prepared mind.” This isn’t my America. The real enemy of democracy is out-of-control makers and keepers of the law who keep getting reelected and appointed to high office.

So here we are with a revisionist scheme gone awry, and the good will of the people frittered away by efforts to accomplish by taxation moral reforms and cannot be accomplished by legislation.

The Mayans put together the most accurate calendar ever created. Every 25,600 years, the universe moves into a position that means for the planet Earth an end of the old and a  beginning of the new. The United States goes bankrupt and the world’s greatest financial strength moves to China.

According to the geometry of the universe, Earth is moving into the sign of Aquarius, the symbol of which is the water-bearer to humanity. Coincidental with the Mayan Calendar, this happens approximately every 26,000 years. We’re now leaving the sign of Pisces, the symbol of which is two fish swimming in opposite directions. We read that the Age of Pisces began around the time of Christ’s birth. It’s interesting to note that the Age of Pisces is known as an authoritarian age. A Roman governor “washed his hands” on whether or not Jesus was King of the Jews. The authorities, the temple priests, crucified Jesus. That’s starting it off right. Rome’s emperor in the east, Constantine, the Great, in 313 A.D. decreed that Christianity would be his state religion, and which of several Christian doctrines would be the law, and that all books that didn’t adhere to his accepted doctrine would be burned.

The birth of the United States, on July 4, 1776, came with a Declaration of Independence from King George’s England, came when the sign Aquarius was on the ascendant of the United States. It was written in said declaration that all men are created equal, with certain inalienable rights, those being life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Unfortunately, not all people were considered to be persons. Black men were the same as mules and cows, without rights, the judgement of America’s Supreme Court. They got their rights. Now it is taxpayers with no rights.

What happens now? In the end, the financially powerful United States, because it didn’t adhere to the law, acquiesces to China.

But let not your hearts be troubled. The Aquarian nature is now taking possession of the individual. I’m Aquarius rising. My moon is in my Seventh House. “When the Moon is in the Seventh House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars,” words from the song Aquarius, “then peace will guide the planets, and love will steer the stars.”

　

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Well, as to what's next ? I think I will go with the hope of your last
paragraph inlink -
Quote:
But let not your hearts be troubled. The Aquarian nature is now taking possession of the individual. I’m Aquarius rising. My moon is in my Seventh House. “When the Moon is in the Seventh House, and Jupiter aligns with Mars,” words from the song Aquarius, “then peace will guide the planets, and love will steer the stars.”

and hope!

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So, my dear Sandy, what do I mean when I say the Aquarian nature is now taking possession of the individual?

The story of my life is linked with the story of the United States of America. The United States was born on July 4, 1776. The planet Uranus was on the ascendant of the chart of the United States, as was Uranus on the ascendant of my chart when I was born.

The underlying motive of the settling of America was to provide a land for freedom of expression and equal opportunity for all, regardless of color or creed.  But there is always expendience with which we cope. Abraham Lincoln, the emancipator of America's slaves, was born with Uranus on his ascendant. We with Uranus on our ascendant are Aquarians. We’re now entering the Age of Aquarius, leaving behind us the Age of Pisces, an authoritarian age.

Strangely (I didn’t plan it), I departed my old life on Good Friday, 1975, arriving in Miami, Florida on Easter Sunday for the beginning of my new life. There were other such symbols that came up in the course of events. I started my new life with the hope that it would be a better life. Strangely, while what I was taught said that everything would go badly for me, everything started going right. A symbol for resurrection is the legendary Phoenix, a bird that after a life of 500 or 600 years immolated itself on a pyre and rose from its ashes for another cycle of years.

I went to sea on a sloop I named Bold Venture. During my two years at sea, I saved seven lives from a watery grave, one being my own—a pretty strong symbol, wouldn’t you say? On my first date with my future soul mate, a hike in the mountains near Portland, Oregon, not fifty miles to our northwest Mt. St. Helens erupted. In nature, such a cataclysmic event tells us that after the calamity comes hope and renewal. After the calamity my life had become, came hope and renewal. With my soul mate, and renewed, I started living the life I was meant to live. What I saw in the September 11 event, the killing of over 3,000 innocent people and the destruction of hundreds of billions of dollars in property, was a calamity from which hope and renewal follows.  The symbol of Aquarius is the water-bearer to humanity.

Everyone who knew me thought I was strickly serving myself and deserting my responsibilities when I departed my old life. I was following my bigger than life calling—looking within for my answers.  I ask you: who are they who think they know better how we should live our lives? The moral of my story is that no one knows better than you what is best for you. My advice: quit looking externally for hope of a better world. Your best hope lies within you.
　

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For whatever help this might be, remember that birds of a feather flock together. Authoritarian control, with the help of the mainstream media, is bucking an inevitable change. Last night, President Obama was given a managed news conference with the aim of keeping his constituency from turning against him, which is no more now than Bush’s constituency after his first 100 days in office. If you are depending on Obama, you are like Humpty Dumpty.

Because you are going to see more and more people with the Aquarian nature clashing with authority, here is a profile of the typical Aquarian. We are strong willed and forceful in our different ways, and have strong convictions that are decidedly opposed to the establishment’s status quo. Although we seek truth, and stubbornly stick with our truths, we are usually honest enough to change our opinions, however firmly held, if evidence comes to light which persuades us that we’ve have been mistaken.

We have a breadth of vision, this because we look within for our answers. And because we ask others to do the same, we are unprejudiced and tolerant of other points of view. We see the validity of the argument, even if we do not accept it ourselves.

Aquarians can be frank, serious minded, genial, refined, sometimes ethereal, and idealistic, though this last quality is tempered with a sensible practicality. We are active and persevering of intrinsic values. We express ourselves with reason, moderation, and humor.


Aquarians are concise and logical. Many are strongly imaginative and psychically intuitive. The Age of Aquarius is much anticipated by psychic circles as an age in which mankind will experience a great spiritual awakening. Often, Aquarians have scientific leanings, which we combine with the Aquarian yearning for the universal recognition of the brotherhood of man, and then to embark on scientific research to fulfill our philanthropic ideals of benefiting mankind.

Aquarians retire at times to meditate. We are fiercely independent. We absolutely refuse to follow the crowd. However helpful others might want to be, Aquarians refuse to accept others’ help accept on our terms.

Some of us are flamboyant, but most Aquarians have good taste. We appreciate drama, art, good music, and tend to be so gifted ourselves. The Aquarian desire to help humanity leaves us to easily make friends. But don’t ever expect an Aquarian to be condescending. Aquarians believe human nature is too good for that. We don’t tend to make close personal friendships. I am picky about female relations and usually end with the wrong relationship for me. Strangely, though, from the moment I met my present wife, Karen, it was like meeting an old friend, and has remained that way over the years. With love partners, Aquarians are forever faithful, even though we may be disappointed at times because of our high ideals. People who deceive Aquarians better look out. We don’t easily forgive. Our anger can be a terrible thing.

Aquarians usually don’t work well in groups unless we play a leading role. Aquarians feel close to nature and are strongly desirous for knowledge and truth. Many Aquarians are psychic and possess healing powers. We may excel in photography, design, music, and writing. Aquarians are likely to go for anything technical, scientific, and in the humanities. We are not prone to be religious because we don’t buy anything doctrinaire.

Many look at Aquarians as somewhat eccentric. For sure, Aquarians can be a threat to authority, but a great boon for the individual. Due to a cause they hold dear, their opposition might appear a bit extreme. They do not give up easily. Look to the future and the great change for the better.



　

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Well I am not an Aquarian -but I am sure I have redeemable qualities also!

You say not to look externally in hope for a new world- but that is
what I must do.
I have reached the point of inner self and now it is time to be collective,
in putting it altogether.
I think we can only look within to a certain point and then it becomes
more outer wordly -or we can get too fixated on self.

Sharing and caring are my personal attributes -without them,
there can be no unity with other's and that is my primary concern.
The time has come to stand together, to stand up and be counted
and in order to make the changes- we need to make the masses!

S

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There is a growing division that is not going to go away.  Just because you have “reached the point of inner self” you will not have the authority in the future to order other people's lives through collective action.  A great change of thinking is inevitable. 

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This thought comes to mind.  The economy is work—directly, capitalism.  Collectivism is government controlling work, acting as transfer agent. It is indirect. 

Let's take Sandy's idea of “reaching the point of inner self” to become “outer worldly”— “sharing and caring.”  She calls it her redeemable qualities.

In order to make the needed changes, says Sandy, we need to make the masses want to share and care.  In other words, Let us make man in Sandy's image of man (Gen. 1:26)

President Obama is about making America in Sandy's image, by redistributing man's work (sharing and caring).  We note that rather than inner man, a direct connection with the collective consciousness of the universe, we've now replaced man, through Sandy and Obama, to external earth-made mechanical man in control of our destiny, and the need to make the masses want to share and care the way Sandy's and Obama's inner selves have told them we should. 

Since Sandy can't tell us of a time when all people thought alike,  I'm forced to believe that we are all individuals, with our own experiences in life, and our own means of coping.  I maintain that we need to look within for our answers, because to look externally for answers is to give away one's personal power and depend on external authorities. 

As history records, because we're not made in Sandy's image of man, Sandy's way—external and manmade—is certain to bring about hostility, death and destruction.  In the end, therefore, it is Sandy's inner desolation—she can't make the connection with the universe's collective conscoiusness— that comes out as wanting to us to share and care.

We Aquarians do want, more than anything, to share what we know. We care about our future.  We want more than anything to live together in peace.

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Well -that is the first time MY name has been linked with Obama's -lol.
I guess I should consider it quite and honour, inlink!

But I can assure you I do not have inner desolation -if I did I would
be completly self-absorbed-
As I have stated in other pods, in other places, not only do I feel
our collective consiouness -I am actively asking other's to feel it,
to be aware of it and act on it.

We have reached this point before -almost peaking-and have let it
slip away -through doubt and fear and non-acceptance.
Now we need to accept that no one man, not any war, will ever
make our world a better, safer place to live in -
having the same basic core principles and standing up and together
in the name of justice and to be co-joined on a spiritual level-
is all -and yet everything- we have.

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But I can assure you I do not have inner desolation -if I did I would
be completly self-absorbed-



No, Sandy, you are not self-absorbed.  You are not fixated on self. You are not anything you can call your own. Living for the world, you are outer worldly absorbed. Sandy, you said: “I think we can only look within to a certain point and then it becomes more outer wordly -or we can get too fixated on self.” I take it that what you are saying is that in order not to be completely self-absorbed you have to be “outer wordly.” Hmmm! How can an outer worldly oriented person, like you, Sandy, believe one can inwardly encompass a love for all, applying one’s energy to universal service?  As an outer worldly person, you do not believe some people have a bigger than life calling from within—that they move inward past the ego-self to an inner God-self. You think of me as being completely self-absorbed—removed from the world. I think of you, based on what you say, as living in desolation.  We can't both be right.

When I was born my moon was in Virgo. Meenakshi is on your plane of thought, Sandy.  We read in Meenakshi's post concerning her The Power of Light: “The soulful, peacemaking Pisces Sun opposes the scientific, nature-based healing Virgo Moon… Virgo understands the oneness of all life through the physical realities of cosmology, mathematics and physics. I’m Virgo with Aquarius Rising. You wouldn't know anything about that, would you, Sandy.  “In Virgo's world,” says Meenakshi, “holiness is achieved through transcendent embodiment, and from this state of embodied awareness one can heal almost any malady… Virgo understands the oneness of all life through the physical realities of cosmology, mathematics and physics.”  So now you know.

Meenakshi leaves out a lot. This thought from Even Harris Walker’s The Physics of Consciousness: “Matter, objects—a physical domain exists that is governed by immutable laws. But these laws leave open a range of happenings that are left to the selection of the mind. Behind this selection is the will. The will works much like a communications channel that links all of us to a common control center.  You don't trust self-willed individuals, do you, Sandy? 

I read in my Astrologer's Handbook that “Pisces is a sensitive sign and those born under it are extremely responsive to the thoughts and feelings of others.”  Would not that description fit you, Sandy? Astrologer’s Handbook says the Pisces person shares his or her feelings and cares about people. That would be you, Sandy, would it not?  According to Astrologer’s Handbook, Pisces people unconsciously absorb the ideas and mental outlook of those around them, and, they desperately want to do the right thing. That would be the outer worldly view, would it not, Sandy? Astrologer’s Handbook says “as a rule they do not have strong willpower,”  speaking of you, Sandy, right?  They are easily influenced by external factors.” 

We are leaving the Age of Pisces,  Sandy, moving into the Age of Aquarius, and you are not of the Aquarian mind-set, you said.  That's too bad.  Astrologer’s Handbook advises you, Sandy, to “stand alone and face the unknown with simple faith.” 

Simple faith, in my Aquarian understanding, is faith in a God-self. The outer worldly view is the way to division and war. Simple faith in a God-self is the way to peace. 

The bottom line: The collective will of the universe is unified, all things being aspects of the mind.  So, Sandy, I'm sorry to have to tell you, but if it is to be the outer worldly view, what's one grain of sand more or less to the universe?  　
　

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Every grain of sand makes up the universe inlink!
You are totally wrong about me being a Pisces -
but rather than tell you what I am - I shall let you keep
guessing and see if you can get it right -lol .

And I don't think of you as being self-absorbed or completely
removed from the world inlink -and am rather wondering what
I have done to deserve a personal attack ???

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Sandy, rather than answer my questions, you now prefer to keep me guessing what you are. You’ve got to be kidding!

You are not an Aquarian, a fiercely independent individual. I don’t have to guess what you are, Sandy. You look “externally in hope for a new world”—and state that you have “reached the point of inner self and now it is time to be collective in putting it together.” Clearly, Sandy, you have reached the point that you are collectivist. You want the control to be, collectively, by the people. You are glad to be connected with Obama, an-out-and-out socialist. There’s no guessing about it, Sandy, it is, as you say, your view that the outer worldly should control me; it’s the better way to go. You say that you might get too fixated on self. The same would apply to me. Gee! I must be self-absorbed to think you would want to control me with your idea that we should be collective in putting it together. How could I think that you want to control me!

You don’t trust me thinking for myself, because, if everyone thought for himself, you would have to think for yourself, and you don’t believe that is the best way to go. You think that collectively we think better.  You can't deny it. That's what you've already told us.

In terms of going from the Age of Pisces to the Age of Aquarius, and you are not Aquarian, Sandy, your own words, that leaves you in the Age of Pisces. But you don’t accept being Pisces in nature. That can only mean that you don’t accept going from the Age of Pisces to the Age of Aquarius as having anything at all to do with you.  There is a lot you have deliberately overlooked. Sandy, you can’t have an outer worldly view, be collective in putting it together, and at the same time believe there is a God-self directing you; and that you are connected with the movements of the universe.  Obviously, you don't believe it.  People might judge you if you were to take an independent stand. Indeed, you might be judged, as you obviously judge my ideas, as being fixed and fuzzy, with no real basis.  As in the nature of Pisces, you  unconsciously  absorb the ideas and mentality of the outer worldly. You are influenced by the external—tangible things.

Sandy, with your thinking, you could not hold to the idea expressed in America’s Declaration of Independence that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and that to secure these rights governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the governed—with the consideration that nature and nature’s God entitle them to a decent respect of the opinions of mankind. No, Sandy, being collectivist in your thinking, you could not possibly hold to those American principles I mention.

A Gaia member advised me not to be a rock in the stream. Sandy, that rock in the stream is in tidal waters, ebbing and flowing, but the rock remains where it is. Sandy, you don’t understand that humanity is here with increasing purpose; that God, in dealing with humanity, has put in us great treasures of ethical truths. We humans have been conditioned to certain precepts.  However, if we expect to ever enjoy inner peace, we don’t go by what’s going on out there.

Sandy, I give you the right to think whatever you want as long as your thinking does not impose on my freedom to think and do what I want. It’s boils down to the Golden Rule. One cannot be an outer worldly collectivist and at the same time adhere to the principle of doing to others as you would have them do unto you. As you have made clear in your offerings, it is not up to the individual to think and do as he pleases. Your's is the Picean authoritarian view. You cannot allow for my God-self, the Aquarian point of view,  and at the same time believe that the masses think better than the individual. And you wonder what you’ve said that offends me?
　

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We all feel hunger.
We all feel loss.
We all feel pain.
We all get sick.
We will all die.
We are all doing the best we can.
We are all in this together.

http://www.examiner.com/x-7312-Miami-Interfaith-Spirituality-Examiner~y2009m5d1-Over-42-million-people-witness-Free-Hugs-Campaign

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Thank you, DrDeb, for the reminder. Hugs all round!

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The human self takes offense at something you say.
The god self asks: What is it in me that is offended by what I hear you saying?

The human self thinks there is one right or valid path.
The god self sees an infinity of paths, all with equal validity.

The human self opens its mouth and argues from its individual perspective.
The god self allows for all points of view, and thus finds nothing to argue about.

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I thankyou too DrDeb for the reminder that we are all in this
together :)
 Rudyan -thankyou too for the reminder, that there is nothing
to argue about!

We debate and discuss our collective path and each of us are on
our individual paths, to take us to the same place.

Inlink -you are free to say what you like- as you do -
but I can and do ask you to show me a little more respect -
as cultivator of Global Peace, you must realise that is all I want.
Us all to be peaceful, happy and unite in making the world a better
place, in righting the wrongs in society and stop human atrocities.

We have to try to love one another, right now :D

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Sandy, just because you are a loving, caring individual, and fair minded, you don't run the show.  Your Dr. Deb is living in La La Land. We are all in the universe.  We are all on planet Earth. We are all in our respective nations, communities, and families. And we are all individuals with God-given rights that by higher than man's law may not be taken or transferred without the consent of the possessor.

Sandy, you have told us that you subscribe to the notion that collectively we accomplish a greater good.   You have no concept of the law.  You are a lawless airhead.  You would vote against my right to survive on the fruits of my own labor for the greater good of society, even though you may personally disapprove of the government act that deprived me.  You would vote for the government that denied an individual personhood for the greater good of society.  History proves you wrong, Sandy. In order to gain my respect, you are going to have to totally reject your outrageous notion that collectively a greater good can be accomplished.  You are going to have to recognize my God-given right to be an independent self , free to do my thing, without restraint, as long as I'm not taking another's right to do his or her thing. 

There is no such thing as a collective greater good being of higher value than the Higher Law of all times.  We are not caring, not loving, when we dare to take from our neighor on the unfounded notion that we are doing a greater good.  Anyone who thinks this is living in the past and soon to find themselves up a creek without a paddle.

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Inlink, you are posting on a group called Global Peace. Can you attempt to write about peace?  Could you please write with peace, to one who has shown you the utmost respect and gentleness? Even perhaps describe that fabled 'la la land' that you seem to be believing in?


Or perhaps you might want to revisit Gaia's community guidelines:
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“Treat others as you would like to be treated.”



(Or, as Jesus put it, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Hillel phrased it, “What is hateful to do, do not to your fellow man.” Muhammad said, “Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you.” And Confucius, “What you do not want others to do to you, do not do to others.”
So if you want to be heard, first listen. If you want to be respected,
grant respect. If you want to be appreciated, be grateful. It's
beautiful how the world balances that way. :)
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It is hurtful to see how you can write this way to Sandy, and speak in ways that promote distress rather than peace. I know that my words can cause you distress; and perhaps there is a better way of telling someone “you are hurting me; please stop.” Is there?

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This is the best discussion I’ve yet been in at Gaia. It isn’t one-sided and I’m not allowing disrespect for my rights, and I’m not getting removed, at least as yet, as I have in the past.

Although you refuse to admit this to yourselves, we take note that not a single one of you support my rights, and in your view that makes you right and me wrong because you are collectivists. You are kidding yourselves. You are not loving and not caring of anyone who is not collectivist. Otherwise, you would not be throwing rules at me, the only one here who disagrees with your unfounded collectivist notions.

As a student of history, we recognize the fact that the pendulum swings, and at this point in time to the extreme view that progress is made when the greater good of all supercedes and replaces natural rights.

So, if you are honest, with respect for both views, let us discuss collectivism opposed to natural rights. Collectivism is defined as the socialist principle of control by the people collectively, or of the state, of all economic activity. Economic activity has to do with individual effort. Therefore, collectivism is control of the individual by and through the vote.

Natural law, defined as a principle or body of law derived by nature and nature’s God, without reference to the supernatural or religions, our question: which prevails, the laws of man or nature’s law? So far, Global Peace Pod has yet to give natural law one iota of respect. Which is it, man’s invention of God, or nature’s God? If it is nature’s God, man has inalienable rights, defined in Black’s Law Dictionary as “Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights.” You can’t claim that because you maintain that the collective good supercedes such rights.

Not one of you has shown me that you have foggiest notion of my rights. You don’t want to hear that, so you make up cock and bull stories of your caring and love, and kick me out of your discussions, lest I convince anybody that you are as phony as a three dollar bill.

You aren’t going to prevail, so start getting used to the idea.

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Inlink, I don’t need to give you an I.Q. test to know that you are very intelligent (possibly a genius) and very well-read. You probably feel that you “get it” and you are frustrated by the number of people around the country who don’t “get it.” I understand that you’re trying to share important ideas about our current situation with credit, property rights, taxation, and the risk of the United States going bankrupt. I think you are earnestly trying to warn people that this could be the end of the world as we know it, and your level of frustration is probably rising when it seems like no one is listening to you.
 
But I feel that the reason for your frustration is not the wonderful and open-minded people on this forum; it is your own approach to communicating with us. As you probably know already, sharing your message with us won’t be effective unless we can *receive* your message. I agree that “Your best hope lies within you,” and I think that your most powerful and effective opportunity as a fierce Aquarian is to use your strength to build us up, not tear anyone down. If you truly want us to question authority and think for ourselves, then you can use your strong will and forcefulness as a water-bringer to empower all of us instead of calling any of us “Humpty Dumpty” or a “lawless airhead.” Instead of telling someone she “isn’t anything she can call her own,” you can give her a reason to *believe* that her best hope lies within herself.
 
I am not asking you to do anything differently, and I am not asking you to change. I am only suggesting an alternative to your current approach, which seems to be pulling you further away from your own goal of helping all of us think for ourselves and challenge the establishment.

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I truly appreciate your thoughtfulness, and you are right: with no one here agreeing with my warnings of the grave danger we are in, rather, insisting on the idea that the greater good comes from collective thinking, the very thing I see taking us to the gutter, I'm frustrated.

I've been around a long time. I was here from the beginning of America's Great Depression. It was a terrible experience for millions of helpless people. If the government had not stepped in, millions of victims of government mismanagement could have starved to death. Government has a duty to the individual when it so mismanages that many are left in dire need. Actually, we are experiencing that right now. Without the “higher law” for guidance government always mismanages. Government is people just like you and I, looking out for ourselves. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, I embrace the idea of looking out for one’s self. I’m disgusted with the number of Americans depending on others. We need to know that the Higher Law doesn’t support people who abuse power.

Speaking of collectivism, airline pilots are trained to go by the collective wisdom of the passengers and crew if they are down in a remote region. It has been proven to save lives. Folks don’t realize that collective wisdom has its place during an emergency. They need to understand that collective wisdom, as a matter of government policy, does not work. It has never worked. Collective wisdom becomes group wisdom, the group with the most power getting the most help. With enough getting help, it finally turns into Nazi type control.

“The god self asks: What is it in me that is offended by what I hear you saying? The human self thinks there is one right or valid path. The god self sees an infinity of paths, all with equal validity.” rudyan.

So what are we arguing about? I’m saying look within for your answers. Others are saying look to the collective good. I quit looking to the establishment for answers a long time ago. I looked within and discovered that I was bigger than life. I know the power that lies within. My life is good.
　
Meenakshi speaks of the Pisces sun sign opposing me. She maintains that Virgo understands the oneness of all life through the physical realities of cosmology, mathematics and physics. In Virgo's world, says Meenakshi, “holiness is achieved through transcendent embodiment, and from this state of embodied awareness one can heal almost any malady.” I wonder how or where she got that idea. It’s nice that her Pisces nature makes her a feeling person, and “my holiness” heals almost any malady. Why I’m the second coming of Jesus Christ. If you use Meenakshi’s way of putting things, she loves everybody; I’m holier than thou. What did I say about human nature? We are all looking out for ourselves.

James Redfield, an astrologer, author of The Celestine Prophecy, around 20 years, ago sent me an audio tape with the following advice:

　

“The Vigo ego integration with higher self, and the higher self perspective is going to be defined along the lines of the Virgo archetype, which is, of course, our need for organization: to be effective, to be conscientious about making things better.”

“We all start at immature levels of ego functions. We have a sense of security based on how much we feel in charge of our lives. We want to keep the idea that things are going fine. We have goals we want to achieve. We need to manipulate things to keep everything just right. We need to keep this allusion for security purposes. If new information comes in, we can act defensively. We don't want information that rocks the boat.”

“What happens is that this allusion, based on security control, has to shift to our inner connection, our God-self force that gives us a sense of well being no matter what's going on out there. We have to make that opening on the inside.”
“As you get in touch with your inner energy and start to get in touch with your higher self, you will be guided into how to find that true work expression. It will be shown to you intuitively. This becomes the way you uplift everyone who comes into your life. When you evolve into your higher self you energize those who cross your path. This becomes your greatest talent.”

It hasn’t worked. I guess I need to go back to the drawing board.
　
　
　
　

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Thankyou for your kind and gentle support,
Meenakshi and DrDeb.
I very much appreciate the kindness and understanding.

And that is what you are also being shown inlink,
as you mentioned you get frustrated -well hey, your not on your
own there!!
As you pointed out you have been banned from other groups-
not for the content of your words, but your personal attacks.
When I signed in this morning, I had already decided I would not
ban you -as Global Peace does mean exactly that.
I did have in mind to delete a couple of your posts though -
to be honest!

However, I shall let them stand and hope we can continue in a
more friendly manner?
Back to that old drawing board hey??

peace,
Sandy

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Sandy, people find their purpose in life in different ways. My calling came in a peculiar way. I was interested in income tax law. I bought Edwin Corwin’s The “Higher Law” Background of American Constitutional Law in a second hand book store for one dollar. Since the book’s publication in 1928, “the law” has greatly changed, I say, for the worst. America cannot survive long on the current law. America’s current law is not based on the American Constitution, I found; it’s based on what judges believe is right for us, and we Americans accept that. But who am I to be talking about the law? I’ve never spent a day in law school.

With my understanding of the law, I was able to keep the Commissioner of Internal Revenue busy defending the income tax in court for 11 years. I took the court record to The Palm Beach Post. An investigation by this newspaper found that the Commissioner of Internal Revenue had been in violation of the law for the entire 11 years, and got that admission from the Commissioner.  It simply scared taxpayers from saying a word. The question: what does America’s Commissioner of Internal Revenue know about the law? The answer is zilch. Judges look the other way. Lawless thugs are granted the power force the Commissioner's will on taxpayers.  Have you ever read this?  No. But is was printed in The Palm Beach Post under the headline, “Taxpayer wages 11-year feud with IRS”  on December 1, 1986.  

In colonial America, lawyers were not allowed to practice law in court. The law was replaced three times by England’s kings. So much for the law in practice. The Higher Law is all that counts. What do the people know about the Higher Law? Sandy, it isn’t a question of the majority being the best judge. Tyrants have controlled the world since the year one.

Because I was not getting anywhere on your pod, Sandy, I’d decided it was a waste of time. Dr. Deb gave me second thoughts. I know the law better than most, but most don’t spend thousands of hours learning the law in the county law library. I had a bigger than life calling. The law is not the will of the people. The strong make laws, or at best conventions purely on considerations of expediency, and terminable for like considerations.

America’s Supreme Court, for the greater good of the American people, judged that black people were not persons. Abraham Lincoln got interested in politics on that expedient Court judgement. When he became President, he issued a proclamation that denied that court judgement. But it took a war, thanks to the will of the people, to free America’s slaves.

Sandy, I apologize for calling you an air head. I sould not expect you to know that the law in practice in America today is merely the form of law. Nazi law was the form of law. It was called national socialism, of course for the good of all. What is socialism but giving up one’s freedom for a greater good? For the good of all, it was decided by the powers that be in Germany that six million Jews would be exterminated like insects, and the German people went along. What else could they do? What a waste!  I was an eye witness to Germany flat on the ground. 

For the ostensible good of all, we Americans are in grave danger of losing our freedom. It will affect the entire world. Are you willing to give up your freedom for a supposed greater good?  Power knows no limit. Leave it to America's control and I predict that the entire world will become enslaved.
　
　
　
　

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World Interest Rates Table – Major Central Banks Overview Central Bank                                        Next Meeting               Last Change                 Current Interest Rate Bank of Canada                                   Jun 04 2009                 Apr 21 2009                0.25% Bank of England                                   May 07 2009               Mar 05 2009                0.5% Bank of Japan                                      Apr 30 2009                Dec 19 2008                0.1% European Central Bank                        May 07 2009               Apr 02 2009                1.25% Swiss National Bank                            Jun 18 2009                 Mar 12 2009                0.25% The Reserve Bank of Australia             May 05 2009               Apr 07 2009                 3% Federal Reserve                                   n/a                                Dec 16 2008                0.25% Check out OUR Banks !!!

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Sorry, but I don't follow “0.25% Check out OUR Banks!!!”

Check this out. Of America's three largest banks, which have already been bailed out with handed hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to keep them from going bankrupt, only one is expected to pass the up-and-coming “stress test.” Two are going to have to be handed more taxpayer money.

Banks make money by lending. America's representatives in Washington encouraged, even forced America's three largest banks to make risky loans to home buyers. Smaller banks didn't make risky loans. They remain sound.  The risky loans encouraged a housing boom, which kept the economy going during the Bush Presidency. The price of homes soared. It worked for a few years, but in the end the price started falling and all those risky loans turned into losses for the banks.  At the tail end of Bush's time in office, America's economy hit the skids.  What this tells me is that the American people don't understand that capitalism is based on a free market. Bush encouraged a government managed economy that fell on its rear.  

Those representatives who encouraged and even forced said banks to take risky home loans were voted back into office and a socialist was elected President of the United States.  The American people don't understand that America doesn't have a free market economy. We have a government managed economy, no matter whether a Republican or a Democrat is in office.

What this says to me is that the least government is the best government. What does it say to you?

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Oh, and while we're on the subject, America's judges, after declaring that black folks were not persons, later came up with the “preferred freedoms” concept, by reading into the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment the word “liberty,” and thereby ruling against the states rights to deny black folks the right to vote because they were illerate.

America's judges, overjoyed by their virtues, went on to  read into the Constitution that black folks should be preferred in the workplace over whites until a just ratio of whites to blacks was reached.  Women got on that bandwagon, and then homosexuals.  It would be descriminatory to disallow same sex marriage.  One can wonder why the Creator created us male and female, and with reason and logic.

We can now sit back and let the authorities look out for us.  Everything will be alright. Sorry about that. We're moving away from the authoritarian age and into the Aquarian Age, an age of self-governing individuals.

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Self- governing individuals such as Aboriginal Self-Goverment, inlink?

http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/PRBpubs/962-e.htm

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For someone so critical, you seem to depend on a lot of stale and outmoded concepts inlink. I live in the old world (Britain), the remains of an empire that gave way to a “new world” - the U.S.  Australia etc. You may look to god, astrology or other hierarchical structures to get us out of this mess, but the sad reality is that the help we all need is coming from a very different direction, and those institutions are just in the way, and will be swept aside. The only way to meet the challenges of the future, is to cast off the dogma of the past, and to use the abilities of all people - regardless of sex, race, outlook etc - to save as much as we can of this earth for all people, not just a few.
Just for clarity I am not referring to any form of “ism” from the pantheon of political doctrine here (not even anarchism which I personally prefer). Clearly people do their best work when working for themselves, so I guess that the change may be to do with the concept of how we view ourselves in relation to an evermore fragile world.

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I'm trying to understand what you are pointing out to me.  The way I read your piece, you are agreeing with me.  “The only way to meet the challenges of the future, is to cast off the dogma of the past, and to use the abilities of all people… Clearly people do their best work when working for themselves.”

You don't like my criticism. Perhaps you would like to answer this question for me: While most Americans can buy groceries, pay their rent, keep their vehicles operational—pay for the essentials—we can't pay off our debts, much less the debt government has created. China has been the U. S. government's credit card company.  China has drastically cut the amount the U. S. can borrow.  The government's second credit card company, the rich Middle East nations, do not have the amount of money needed to keep us going the way Obama  wants us to go. So please give us your answer on how we Americans are going to keep from going bankrupt, morally, spiritually, and fiscally.  If you can give us a logical, reasonable answer. I'll shut up.

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I don't want you to shut up, criticism can be useful. The world is not working, and no amount of money will make a difference. Personally I have spent the last two decades living a realistic frugal life, only to be told now that “we” have a massive debt. I do not have a massive debt, nor do I recognise the morality or rights of the people to whom this debt is owed. If it were true that anything was owed to anyone, I would assume that much was owed to the poorest people in the world who live in shit to produce the material things that “we” have been so wasteful of, and much is owed to the generations to come who will never enjoy the beautiful vibrant planet that “we” have done so much to destroy. Sadly nobody will settle this debt, as to the other debt, I would rather lose my liberty than pay another penny to the evil men who have caused all of this whilst drawing a salary of millions, luckily it will not come to that as I can hide in my poverty where it is not economic to punish my attitude.

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Thanks to adherence to authority’s “stale, outmoded concepts,” there is much we don’t know about the makeup of the universe. We are co-equals in the makeup. I had a rather bad life. It wasn’t from lack of wealth. It was from lack of quality. When I was 49, I gave the establishment my middle finger. The establishment did everything it could to make me regret it. I can’t speak for anyone else, but when everything should have gone wrong for me, everything went right.

It wasn’t the luck of the Irish that turned my life around. Astrology, God, and other hierarchal structures played a role. At the present time, science is about to learn, not only how it all comes together, but why. The structure of the universe is nothing like we’ve been told. Those stale, outmoded concepts you mention are going to take on new meaning. We individuals, not authority, will be in charge of our lives. Were it not so in my life, I would not be here with my big mouth.

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Yes, sorry those figure didn't print out as originally aligned.
The check out OUR  Banks- was referring to Australia's
at a mighty 3 per cent!

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I don't understand “Aboriginal Self-Government.” Aboriginals are not self-governed. They are tribal. And, too, what makes us better than Aboriginals? They may eat people, but they don't practice genocide.

My idea of self-governed, as I've pointed out, is doing away with coercive government as a political ideal, replacing this with voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.  It is now powerful groups in cahoots with self-serving politicians.  And before that it was tribes.  My idea has yet to be tried.   Obviously, you don't think my idea will work. Why?

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Good to read your comments, Chaparral- and I am like you in that
I have lived frugally and economically all my life -and yet we are
part of the nation's/world debt.
When it is the greed of other's and their fat pay-checks  and gross
over-spending that have contributed to this mess- not to mention
the cost of WAR !

I am not saying I don't think your idea will work, inlink.
In concept it is much the same as my own dream of the future.

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Hi Sandy!

I am not saying I don't think your idea will work, inlink.
In concept it is much the same as my own dream of the future.

　
I'll tell you what blows my mind. A concept is a manmade construction. A perception is an awareness—something we just know. So when we use the term “collective” is it political or spiritual?  We don't seem to be able to make a distinction.

When born, we are totally dependent and knowing only the self. If we grow to maturity, and still dependent on others, it is not natural. It is not nature’s God working in us. It is socialism, a manmade construction.

The object in our lives, it seems to me, is to become selfless—here for the universal good of all. It is not my construction. It is my perception. The old saying, “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink” applies. As to your dream of our future, Sandy, I hope you realize that no matter how powerful they are, no matter how many adhere to their constructions, no one can remake us into their image. We get the wrong answers every time we look to politicians. We get greed, gross over-spending, division, conflict, and ultimately war.

Do you have a problem with my philosophy?  Do you agree that the least government is the best government?

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Your philosophy is a shared philosophy, inlink.
The only difference in the interpretation is where one
believes in the God concept or not?

I agree the least governemt is the best government- but the only
way I can see to achieve this is by world-wide PEACEFUL coup!

coup d'etat: a sudden and decisive change of government illegally or by force
a brilliant and notable success
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


unless of course you have other suggestions???

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You seem to have offered that President Obama, the authority and worldwide collectivism, is representative of a Peaceful coup. I maintain that worldwide collectivism is the the means to the end of our world.  I suggest that you and I—one on one— is the only way to peaceful co-existence. Do you have reservations about that?

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Our country was founded as a republic.  I'm thinking that maybe that the founding fathers sorta had in mind more local/self governance and less King George.  Somewhere in the middle is the compromise.  On one hand dictatorship where government controlls all, and anarchy where it's everyone for themselves.

I don't think that a voluntary association of individuals and groups is a workable paradigm on a large scale.  The nature of man is to be contentious and self serving.  Lord Acton penned the old saw,  “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”  We can rise above it but it takes work.
The Ringleman effect notes the following about group dynamics:  Average individual performance decreases as the size of the group increases.  Some attribute this to coordination loss, others to lack of motivation. (I.E. I don't have to do it, someone else will)

my 2 cents-

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“anarchy where it's everyone for themselves” ?? You will not meet a person who is less for themselves than me ! I have watched decades of greedy self serving people wrecking my world, and none of them were anarchists.
I had not come across the Ringleman effect, but it rings true :) . My experience of working with anarchists in groups is that they work damned hard, but put less hours in as they have other stuff to do in order to lead fulfilled lives. Anarchists will commit to a project, where workers are often just financially coerced into work.

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If your've got a problem, I can tell you from personal experience, you don't come up with a desirable solution and then make all the pieces fit. If anything can go wrong, it will.  You analyze your problem and make small steps toward a solution.  When you make a mistake, you try something else.  If it worked for me, it can work for society.

When the choice is between dictatorship and anarchy, the dynamics becomes self-service.  Man's nature becomes contentious and power corrupts.  Therefore, instead of the powers that be coming up with their solutions for social problems, and forcing by law all the pieces to fit, with everyone with his own solution, I can tell you that way of solution would bring about cooperation with others.  Government control of the individual would  be replaced  by government merely a functionary with absolutely no power to direct the individual's life—the way it was intended.

I don't know of a time in the history of man when the solution to the individual's problem was left strictly to the individual, and I wonder about that.  Why was man created with reason and logic as a means of coping?  That has never been adaquetely explained to me.

It puzzles me when I read the Bible. I quit listening to religious authorities a long time ago. Religion's history is one continuous Holy War. it all began in the Garden of Eden.  On the one hand, so we read in the Bible in Gen. 1:26, “Let us make man in our image.”  In the temptation of Eve in Chapter 3 of Genesis,  the serpent told Eve that she would not die if she ate the forbidden fruit, but God would know that when she did eat her eyes would be opened and she would know good and evil.  The rest of the Bible is the story of man's good and evil and God's dealings with humanity.

Enough is enough! We're living in a crucial time. Over the generations, the ages have shown a progressive order and an increasing purpose in man.  If we read the moral story of man with this in mind, the Scriptures take on a different meaning; our awareness expanding beyond self, beyond our world, outward to galatic consciousness. The serpent becomes nature's God and we God-selves; the authoritarian world passes. We become self-governing and cooperating with others, living peacefully together, worldwide, in anarchy.  

We come into existence a self with a purpose: to become selfless, like a drop of water in the ocean. Our world is but a grain of sand.  If we remain a self, dependent on the authorities, where does that leave us?  The moral story of man tells us that it's going to be either the making of man in our image—God-selves—or we will ultimately become history written in the rocks. 

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Mind is the Master-power
   that moulds and makes

   Man is Mind
and evermore he takes

   The tool of Thought,
and shaping what he wills

Brings forth a thousand joys,
   a thousand ills

He thinks in secret,
and it comes to pass:

Environment is but his
    looking glass.

James Allen

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I don’t have anything particularly valuable to add to the content of this great conversation, but I just wanted to share that the *process* being used by everyone here to earnestly try to understand one another’s ideas and search for common ground is really inspiring to me. Thank you!

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tiptoeing in to say - me too, DrDeb! Seeing how certain ends can lead to amazing beginnings. 
tiptoeing out.

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I was going to write a whole lotta words just now, as a response to this action-packed thread, but I think rudyan puts it best;

“The human self takes offense at something you say.

The god self asks: What is it in me that is offended by what I hear you saying?



The human self thinks there is one right or valid path.

The god self sees an infinity of paths, all with equal validity.



The human self opens its mouth and argues from its individual perspective.

The god self allows for all points of view, and thus finds nothing to argue about.”

inlink - I don't get it, you seem to be aware of the interconnected nature of the universe, the whole, the oneness - as you mentioned yourself, Tao - that within which yin and yang become “some-thing” (correct me if that's a vague definition). Then you talk of “the law”, “rights” and “God” (all three deserve individual threads, but now I'll just talk about “rights”) - do you have rights? Is that not a human construction too? .. Then you say “natural rights”, and I understand, but is that not a human consctruction also?

I'd say; everything we say about that which we call the universe, is a description, and thus incomplete. If its incomplete its not truth, because truth must be a whole, would't you agree? Well, is 99% truth, the truth? If you do, then there is no law, no rights, no nothing. There just is - and then we can make of it what we will…

Now I want to recommend a video - the flowering of human consciouesness, with Eckhart Tolle… Its two parts, if you haven't seen it, see it! ;) I'm my mind, he really nails it! Here's the vid..

I'll hit the sack in a few, you all sleep real good now - when you get there! ;)

Oneness,
Evo

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So good to read the new responses -you have all breathed
new life into this thread!
Love your “2 cents” worth Phil -interesting that individual performance decreases as numbers increase -what does that say about us,I wonder?
Chaparral -does this mean you think anarchy could work?
Good you are finding this inspiring DrDeb -helps with the inspiration!
Always wonderful to have YOU  tiptoe in and out of a conversation,
Meenakshi :)
Inlink- methinks this link may need a new thread already -if your game -
just kidding -lol !
And dear Evo -SO very good to have you back with your evocative words~

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I see what you mean. If there just is, without a truth to know, without law to know—and I thought I was made in God's image. How wrong can anyone be! I'm a human construction. 

I've been wondering why my life is so good and for so many life is bad.  Not to worry. That's just the way it is. Thanks for telling me. There is no argument. Now I can sleep better.

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Sleep well,dear inlink, in this wonderful breathing pulse of humanity that
we all share.Sweet and enlightened dreams :)

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I've seen Gods image, his beard is more untidy than mine!
“The end of the world - What's next”
How about a new better brighter world that has learned something from the mistakes of the old one? We need a working method, probably not this one -

Stage one, “achieving a clean slate” (if you miss this stage you just get more of the same old stuff)
Stage two, “deciding how you want things to be”
Stage three, “imagining and creating ways to get there”

I sleep very well, but then I'm on stage three at the moment.

The benefit of a made up religion is that I don't have to beat myself up when things go awry.
The benefit of being a human construction is that I can rise above it with grace yet remain rooted.
The benefit of being an anarchist is that it gives me a sense of what to aim for even if it will never be achieved in my lifetime. For me it is almost more of a working method than a result. Here is how it works-

If a wise fisherman tells me I am fishing in the wrong place I would be wise to listen.
If a learned environmentalist tells me I am threatening a rare fish i will listen.
If a man in a uniform tells me, I would consider poaching, a uniform is not enough, a bit of paper is not enough. Not because the bit of paper is wrong necessarily, but because powerful people can always get round the bit of paper or the uniform. If rules don't apply to Everyone then they have no use in my world.

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My mind never sleeps. It thought last night on the statement: “If there just is, without a truth to know, without law to know,” and gave me answers this morning. The “human construction” connects with the universe's construction, but not directly. The same as with man's law, nature's law, not always based on actual personal knowledge or observation of the facts in controversy, but rather from facts from which deductions can be drawn—circumstantial evidence—showing indirectly the facts to be proved, no, we don’t need 100 percent of the truth to know the truth, do we? Juries send people to prison on circumstantial evidence.

The question we’ve yet not asked ourselves is what makes an observer an observer? How much does an ant observe? How much does a bee observe? Hive insects don’t observe. They do the thing nature directs them to do. We are not like ants and bees. In quantum mechanics, there is no direct proof of anything. The human observer finds infinite possibilities. The human observer finds that matter is governed by immutable laws, but that those laws leave open a range of happenings. Simply by observing, man’s ideas, which have no form in and of themselves, give figure and form to shapeless matter. We create our reality. Like no other life form on the planet, we are co-equals in the foundry of creation.

The dogmas and doctrines of the past are false. The reality authority has conceived is not the true fabric of reality. The observer interacts with matter. This new-found reality that defines the observer has fundamental existence. The quantum mind, individually, universally, is the basic reality.

This from the Bible—”let us make man in our image” (Gen. 1:26)—as beings of power, intelligence, and love, and lords of our own thoughts, we hold the key to every situation ( James Allen’s thought) . The individual’s will, natively, is tuned into a communication channel that links with the collective wisdom of the ages. We have the choice of tuning out and going our own way.

My own way turned out to be a dead end street. I tuned in. Came a bigger than life calling. In studying man’s law, those who came before me were speaking to me. Through the higher law, the background of America’s Constitution, I was given the power to beat the United States of America, the most powerful nation on earth on an income tax issue. You can’t say it isn’t my Constitution. A wonderful change took place in my life. As captain of my ship, my life got better and better. My dear friends, we are making man in our image. Therefore, when I say I’m a God-self, these are not empty words. I’m living proof that this human construction we are speaking of here is more than a hunk of meat.

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Evocati doesn't get the truth of the matter because if it is incomplete it is not the truth. Let’s see if we can get to the complete truth of the matter here and now.

The mathematical truth: from zero comes nothing. Nothing in the universe is ever complete. Where is consciousness? We say “state of awareness.” States have no boundaries. Infinity has no beginning and no end. What was present before the “Big Bang,” nothing? That can't be. Nothing in the universe is ever complete; it's all moving from a beginning to an end. The fact is that Evocati’s statement is not the full truth. The universe is more than the time-space consortium.

“The God-self sees an infinity of paths, all with equal validity.” Evocati opens his mouth and argues from his individual perspective because he has that “right,” does he not? And the same for me. In some places we don't have the “right” to state our individual views, because that's the way it is now, and has always been. You are right, Evocati. “Right” is a human construction, and we humans are an act of nature. The law is the foundation of liberty. We are all slaves of the law that we may be free. My question to you: Will we always remain under authoritarian control, because that’s the way it is? I say we are coming to the end of the authoritarian ages, with the sword of Damocles hanging over us. I say we are moving into the Age of Aquarius, when we will be self-governed. Anyone want to argue?

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No argument from me, inlink!
Besides- I don't like to argue -though I always appreciate a good debate.

You may not get a reply from Evo for a little while, as he is in the
midst of exams.
He is one of my two Moderators here, so thought I would let you
know in case you wonder why he hasn't responded!
I am sure when he is free again though, he will certainly do so!!
He is a very learned young man.

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Everything comes from nothing! you are mistaking mathematics and reality. Show me “two”, show me “five”, (not two of something or the “number” five) - I can show you no cows and the number “0”. Numbers are just tools, and zero is a tool as well. “Beginning” and “End” are tools. Does a race begin with a gunshot, or with the training of the athletes? does it end at the tape, or the medal ceremony (the winner maybe disqualified for drugtaking)
I don't happen to believe in a god, I don't happen to believe that the big bang is any different to the number five (except that we dont yet know the number or event before the big bang) I believe that infinity is just the point at which all numbers become equally stupidly large and of no further use, so I guess that infinity will just get larger the more numbers we use.
I would also argue that the law is the foundation of slavery, because some powerful people will always be above the law. Laws that are not enforced make a parody of law, and stupid laws that are enforced likewise. I have not “obeyed” a law for many years. It just happens that I don't want to hurt other people. I am probably the only person I know who hasn't broken a speed limit, but that has nothing to do with “The Law” and more to do with safety of others and conservation of resources.
 I am not expecting the age of Aquarius, more the dawning of the age of “Oh shit! what have we done”

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Everything comes from nothing! you are mistaking mathematics and reality…I don't happen to believe in a god, I don't happen to believe that the big bang is any different to the number five (except that we dont yet know the number or event before the big bang) I believe that infinity is just the point at which all numbers become equally stupidly large and of no further use, so I guess that infinity will just get larger the more numbers we use.



Thank you for your enlightening thoughts this Mother’s Day. Every mother should know who she’s brought into the world. We find, now, once again, there is no God, the same as Evocati maintains. People perceive what they want to perceive, right or wrong? Their awareness is as broad as they choose to make it. Is that not right? It’s the human construction—making man in our image: it is because it is. I don’t need a reason, right?

You sound like my parents when I was a child. You sound like the church. You sound like government. I never accepted that answer. It is my problem or your problem? Like most other folks, aren’t you dumbed down by the authorities?
　

I can show you no cows and the number “0”. Numbers are just tools, and zero is a tool as well. “Beginning” and “End” are tools. Does a race begin with a gunshot, or with the training of the athletes? does it end at the tape, or the medal ceremony (the winner maybe disqualified for drugtaking)


Where on earth did you learn this? People who make remarks like this are called progressives. Progressives are teaching in our schools. They are making and keeping our laws. This student-of-the-moment here represents those taking over our lives.

I perceive that numbers come from the dim, dark past, when men held up three fingers to indicate they saw three deer. It progressed into a system called mathematics, a form of logic. We humans are created with logic. At least I assume that. I can wonder, though. Perhaps for the sake of convenience we prefer to rationalize. Since you see cows and zeros, and juxtaposition a race beginning with a gunshot, you likely don’t see. Instead, you make jokes, so I’ll tell you.
　
Mathematics makes sense out of that which the sensibilities don’t see. “I can show you no cows and the number ‘0.'” Excuse me! We don’t see the electrons that go to make our TV pictures, do we? With ideas and mathematics we enjoy electronic marvels. So, what do you who can show no cows perceive about that? Before you answer, consider that we have atom smashers that make pictures you can see, but without mathematics you would not have the foggiest idea of what you were seeing, right? So what do you perceive about making pictures from atom smashers?

Using mathematics, quantum physicists see what’s going on in the microcosmic world. It’s nothing our sensibilities know. Things are taking place in the universe that, unless you are in the most advanced know, you know nothing about. Just because you are an academic doesn’t mean you know. When you add up the mathematical facts, advanced science has found the construction of the heretofore unknown.

In the West, five hundred years ago, the church was the sole authority on the construction of the universe. The earth was flat and at the center of the universe. If you disagreed, you were put on the rack. Our sensibilities would say the earth is flat and at the center of the universe. Galileo, with the telescope, proved that was not so. The church authority condemned him. Since everything comes from nothing, what’s so different today? Instead of church authorities, rights are the demands of the people, the decrees of politicians, the adjudications of judges. That’s called democracy. Under democracy, all that is necessary to rob an individual of every right he or she has is a vote of the multitude. In today’s academia, there is no right and no wrong, unless you happen to be a conservative. Then you are automatically wrong. So what is “is,” said Bill Clinton. So eat, drink, and be merry—and have sex done for you under the desk, for tomorrow you die.

In mathematics, fields have closure. With certain rules, mathematics can move about in any way we want. Closure means the field is a world unto itself. A number field, like numbers themselves, describes consensus experiences. With numbers, the cutting edge of science, having learned much about how it all comes together, has admitted conscious awareness into the mix. But remembering in the days of yore, classical science claims that the cutting edge is trying to smuggle God into physics. But history tells us that God is, and has always been, an invention of the strong. Jesus, in agreement with the cutting edge of science, said that the meek will inherit the earth.

It appears to me that in order to not believe in God, you go on what past authorities tell you about God. Thus, your argument would have to be based on the authoritarian Age of Pisces, which began with the crucifixion of Jesus. It all fits. We’re moving into the Age of Aquarius; the meek will inherit the earth.

This comment: “I am not expecting the age of Aquarius, more the dawning of the age of ‘Oh shit! what have we done.’” Exactly! Thank your mom for bringing you to us. It means that you are living in the Age of Pisces. Dumbed down, you expect the same “shit” from now on, because there is no God. We’re all pieces of shit. So what makes any difference in the way we live. We are, in the end, fertilizer for future generations. Your mom will appreciate that thought.

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Sandy brought our attention to self- governing individuals with “such as Aboriginal Self-Government.” The tribe is where self-awareness first advanced, but not in a strong personal self, more a social self—an incomplete self.

Gradually, an inner awareness evolved—a unique self. Enter authority to advise people that the unique self is our shortcomings. We are misguided by authority, bringing unnecessary suffering to ourselves. In order to free ourselves from authority’s flapdoodle—for our collective survival, Sandy—first we must recognize that man’s knowledge of the external world is growing much faster than our knowledge of ourselves.

Ignorant of the facts of who we are and what we are about, as clearly seen in the posts here, we are becoming manipulative: seeking control of other people by various destructive means. When our self-identity depends on external circumstances, we end up plundering to the point that our future is imperiled.
As I continue to point out, I can only speak for myself. I departed—went strictly on my own. I went to sea for two years, where all life began. My new life began at sea, first by discovering that I had the power to overcome all that nature could throw at me. It was mind over matter.

My time at sea had an effect on my personal relationships. I’d gone through three marriages, all ending in failure. Two weeks after wife number three walked out, I found the right mate for life. The way I look at it, knowing firsthand the meaninglessness of the materialist’s world, whose self-centered thinking leads to loss of personal freedom, breaking free led me to the life I was intended to live.
As our world’s crises deepens, the number of people, like me, finding an inner-awakening is increasing. People are turning away from the religions of Abraham. Buddhism is becoming popular. Best selling books are on spirituality and personal growth. People are taking up meditation and Yoga. Magazines regularly publish self-help articles. Inner development is in the limelight.

Our world’s saving grace is ever-deeper spiritual understanding.

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Greetings!
Thanks Sandy, for informing the plebs about me not being able to reply so often! ;)

Chaparral, I agree totally with that point about tools! Well put friend.

Inlink – lots of strands to engage now :) Let’s do it.

First I’d like to answer your question to me. ”Will we always remain under authoritarian control, because that’s the way it is?”
No no, I wouldn’t think so. The universe is what it is, but that doesn’t mean we can’t change our reality – to the contrary, I agree with you very much that we are co-creators of this place we call the universe.
”Evocati opens his mouth and argues from his individual perspective because he has that “right,” does he not?” No he doesn’t :) He opens his mouth and ”argues” from his individual perspective because he is a point of view… Since I am (just atm. maybe) a point of view I have no other choice but to ”argue” from it.

”We find, now, once again, there is no God, the same as Evocati maintains.” I have to make clear, I have never stated this, nor do I have reason to. The God-issue is a big one. But I’ll just state my humble opinion on this matter as short as possible. I don’t believe in nothing. This does not mean that I am a nihilist, because then I would believe in nihilism. And this does not mean that I am some kind of sophisticated nihilist! :) I have reasons to suspect different things,
but I never put my faith in something which I do not know, and what I know is
nothing but what appears to me in the now. Regarding the God-issue; if by God
we mean something separated, an entity which is something and not something
else, I would say there is a problem. To me God is everything that exists. But
then the name God is really inadequate – it implies separation, and the capital
G only emphasizes this separation. And why is it a problem to think of God as
separated? Because if the universe is infinite, there cannot be any separation.
(This was a very superficial description with lots of room for interpretation,
I hope it makes sense. If not we’ll engage it again in depth.)

”The question we’ve yet not asked ourselves is what makes an observer an observer?” Key question! But your answer involves such judgments as ”Hive insects do not observe […]”, and I won’t go there. My answer would be; that which makes an observer an observer is observation itself. If your point of departure is that the observer is the observed and the observed is the observer, then first of all you can account for why the observer interacts with and has an effect on matter (the observed), simply because the two are one and the same thing.

With this I’ll move on to a few questions of my own:

You say ”The fact is that Evocati’s statement is not the full truth.” .. And yes, this is true, and it’s exactly my point. To exemplify my point, I would like to ask you the following question; would you agree that when we communicate, then that which is communicated is a description (of the world)?

A clarifying question here: First you state that; ”Infinity has no beginning and
no end. What was present before the “Big Bang”, nothing? That can't be.” - I
agree. But then you say; ”Nothing in the universe is ever complete; it's all
moving from a beginning to an end.”, as I understand this, what you’re saying
is that the universe is finite (/not infinite)?

One more quick question; did you check out “The flowering of human consciouesness” with Eckhart Tolle yet? (You should! I’d say it’s interesting at least…)

Oneness,
Evo

Ps. I sense an undercurrent of sarcasm in your posts – there’s no law against sarcasm – personally I just don’t need it… If I’m mistaken, tell me.

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Methinks that during this human age of rationalism… we believe there is tremendous wisdom in knowledge and mastery of the world that has preceded us.

In the Moody Blues song… The Balance…


and he thought of those he angered
for he was not a violent man
and he thought of those he hurt
for he was not a cruel man
and he thought of those he frightened
for he was not an evil man

and he understood
he understood himself
upon this he saw that when he was of anger
or knew hurt or felt fear

It was because he was not understanding

And he learned compassion.

And with his eye of compassion 
He saw his enemies unto himself

And he learned love…

Then, he was answered.

Just open your eyes and realize
the way its always been

Just open your mind
and you will find the way
its always been

Just open your heart and
that's a start.

When it comes to peace… I try to silence my overactive mind… for it only creates separation, judgment and blame.

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Okay I have zero tolerence , here for what has been said , and if I had any say , I would not give any warnings , I would zap the person or persons that are not showing respect , and honour to this pod.
So if this continues here , I can or will not be apart of this , as we require people to respect , honour , and communicate , and we all have our voice , yet when it is used as put downs .
THEN GET OUT OF THIS POD NOW!!!
Respectfully,
Lady Lavender

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Sandy , can you cut this thread , and let's start something like:
The New Begining ….

Or something with a fresh face:)
I believe what is going on here is giving many a negative energy , and we need to create something in a more positive light. Ya, they say the end , let's build a force , that will begin, and we have that here. Let's tey to take the postive , and find ways that we can continue , and live , and love , and have much peach , and harmony.

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Gaia Godess,

As you posted just a few minutes after mine, I can't help but assume that my words offended you.  If they did, I am sorry, for The Balance is one of the most beautiful, peace loving songs ever written.

I'll be happy to leave, as I just returned to Sandy's pod after being away for a while.

Respectfully,

Dave

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Lady Lavender,

It would be greatly appreciated that you could inform us who your zero tolerance policy applies to.  I completely respect your moral ground, although if you are not specific about who you are talking about… taking them to task… then unfortunately, your words do not sound much different than the same people you are criticizing.

You got your wish, and we are moving on to a new beginning.  Now, would you please stand behind your words and speak out about those who you so clearly abhor.

Take care

Dave

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Surely not, Dave? I expect you two just cross-posted.

I for one thought your post insightful, and loved reading the words of that song here.

Methinks that during this human age of rationalism… we believe there is tremendous wisdom in knowledge and mastery of the world that has preceded us.

How true. And when if ever will we get that that route has never gotten us any closer to what we say we want—peace, love, oneness…

When it comes to peace… I try to silence my overactive mind… for it only creates separation, judgment and blame.

That's how I feel about it too, thank you.

Ruth

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Thanks Ruth… your words are very comforting.  

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Glad that Ruth has comforted you Dave, and I want to, to.
Having you back has given me much joy- you are a valued and
wise member of both Gaia and Global Peace.
Don't every think of leaving -I am hoping Lady Lavendar did not mean
anything personal -I think she was speaking in a general term ~
and quite frankly has no right to tell anyone to get out of this pod-
not being the cultivator OR a moderator !!!
Lady Lavendar- as you can see I have started a new thread-
and I did hesitate over the label inlink gave this one- but gave
him the right to do so- out of respect.
So, please, too, respect all our members here -okay?

Peace and love
Sandy

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Thank you Sandy…

While it may not have made the news in Down Under,  did you see the media making controversy over Obama (the pro choice president), speaking at the convocation at Notre Dame, the Ivy league bastion of Catholicism, and supporter of pro-life advocacy.

The media and the idealists had a heyday.  Taking stances of Obama  being the abortionist president… jumping on the opportunity to steal the stage of opinion.

In the end… Notre Dame… and the President shared the message together that tolerance, and respecting our differences is the path to peace… and not the self righteous judgement of the polar opposites.

Today was perhaps one of the greatest moments of modern history… when polar opposites unite in an effort to find common ground… and to tell the self righteous that their ideals are the cause of separation… and not peace at all.

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No -I hadn't seen this in the news down here, Dave -so thankyou
for sharing the shared message!

It was indeed a great moment in modern history and hopefully
it will help set a precedence between other “polar opposites” ?

We can live in peace and hope ~

and love~

Sandy

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Hi All,
I am a true believer of not pointing the gun to someone.
Yet I have contacted , the person ,that I was talking about directly.
Dave , I have a very high respect , and honour for you .
Let us not try to assume here.
Maybe this is what I will do from now on go directly to the person .
This will solve the issue directly.
I am truly sorry if I made people confused.
Thanks  and much love peace light to all.
Lady Lavender

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It is wonderful that open dialogue has found us at a state of peace and understanding between us.

Thank you Lady Lavender, and to everyone for expressing their own hearts so clearly.

Love to all,

Dave