Gaia: Poets Workshop. - Poets Workshop. Light critique or Indepth critique, please state preference. tag:gaia.com,2008,:Gaia http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/discussions/feeds/board/6606 en-us 20 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:57:18 GMT Gaia: Poets Workshop. - Poets Workshop. Light critique or Indepth critique, please state preference. Autumn Gold http://addresstofollow.gaia.com Zephyr tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-498101 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:57:18 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/498101 <p> <span style="font-weight: bold">Autumn Gold</span>&nbsp;&nbsp; ( for C&amp;C please. )<br /><br />Gold leaf is draped over gardens bed<br />and soon the mud will turn them brown<br />the garden tools stacked in the shed<br />heavy dew lays soft as thistledown<br /><br />A robin sits on the handle of my spade<br />his bright eye spies a big fat worm<br />disturbed where tree&#39;s roots, just laid,<br />spread in fertile soil and trodden firm,<br /><br />red breast replete the bird rests<br />where tree stands bare on leafy floor;<br />scant promise of fine apple harvests<br />to swell each fruitful winter store<br /><br />hear pollen seeking buzz of bumble bees<br />thinking summers warmth will never die &nbsp;<br />while Canada geese scribe honking V&#39;S<br />in a brisk and wind-blown cloudy sky <br /><br />Fat lambs bleat loud from far green hill.<br />The vines purple bloom is plump and sweet<br />as sunshine brims over into winter&#39;s chill<br />toad settles into winter&#39;s frozen sleep. </p> Re: running --c&c http://addresstofollow.gaia.com Zephyr tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-497843 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:20:11 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/496769#497843 <p> Sherab, I have had a couple of nights with very little sleep,Mum not well, hoping to get a better night tonight, so will come back to this when I am fresh tomorrow, initial read left me admiring the flow and the way you turned phrases around, but it also left me with questions, like who was abandoned?, The blue baby,&nbsp; sad loved one, or literal, it felt a little disconnected in places, yet good flow in others, struggling to comprehend but that may be because I am a country bumpkin, rather than city type. In some areas you have normal capitalisation and in others capitals on every line, which tends to separate where there is no separation.<br />I particularly liked this twist, ( how we kid ourselves } -<br />whatever happens, they’ll come back to this moment. <br />I waited all these years, thinking it would be all right. <br />They are gone. <br />It never was all right. <br /><br />and - <br /> Across the wide grass running <br />A thousand meters high <br />The red cloud at sunset <br />Burned in back of my mind&nbsp; </p> Re: Moist with Unending Mystery - C&C http://symbol.gaia.com sherab tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-496775 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:40:23 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/488667#496775 <p> You know, I like this, but it doesn,t quite get all the way to Poetry for me.<br />I can hear something in the malleability of clay and something else about the light.<br />I f you could make it so that a young woman is wedging some clay, and trying to push the stiffness out of it and bring it to life, and the light is coming in through the studio window in a certain way, so that it kind of shines and glitters as she puts it on the wheel, then I&#39;d buy the poem.<br /><br />I think it is cool though, because you always have this to come back to, all these ideas you have in this little poem. </p> running --c&c http://symbol.gaia.com sherab tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-496769 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:23:31 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/496769 <p> Across the wide grass running <br />A thousand meters high <br />The red cloud at sunset <br />Burned in back of my mind <br />Everything halting <br />Like statues on a train <br />The mumbling of passengers <br />Who never said hello. <br />The place reeks of poetry &nbsp;<br />And bad investments <br />Sawdust in the corner <br />Like robbery <br />And holding nothing dear <br />They come rumbling to a stop <br />Apocalyptic pencil shavings &nbsp;<br />and crumpled newsprint <br />The empty seats stare back at you <br />All those mornings yesterday <br />Came back in a rush <br />More horses in the rain <br />Running from thunder.<br />Concrete follows <br />Like a lean dog <br />In the undergrowth <br />Grinning with&nbsp; panic <br />The pain stumbles after <br />Hobbles the mind <br />Fetters the blood <br />A small dream <br />&nbsp;Of rabbits in the garden <br />Tattooed&nbsp; cats <br />And words &nbsp;<br />that crystallize in the sun. <br />I’m letting this get away from me <br />Because you were with me then <br />And we both had something in our eyes. <br />It almost gets you going <br />when you think it cant get worse <br />then the running happens <br />everything crashing after <br />just because the words didn’t fit their meaning. <br />There’s no need for you in the room tonight <br />this blue baby <br />catch your breath. <br />Leave us alone we bury our own. <br />Now the rain can come. <br />I really was crazy. <br />Everyone said I was. <br />Now it’s true. <br />You know whatever happens, they’ll come back to this moment. <br />I waited all these years, thinking it would be all right. <br />They are gone. <br />It never was all right. <br />Abandoned. <br />And why should I care. <br />You never see light like that in the city. <br />Always staring at the sky --till the needle breaks and splits like fire in the night.<br />----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />There were a lot of &#39;thoughts&#39; when i wrote this.<br />mostly I was trying not to think. (I think to much sometimes-not enough when it matters)<br /><br />I&#39;d like to know what people see here in terms on meaning (if any) and what parts you think work together (or Don&#39;t belong)<br />If you have some thoughts of Rhyme or Meter, ore even Punctuation and Grammar.<br />[Does it make any sense and if so --what does it say?] </p> Re: Moist with Unending Mystery - C&C http://Meenakshi.gaia.com Meenakshi tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-490824 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:53:53 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/488667#490824 <p> What do you think, Zephyr, about the knowledge and light? Does it work for you? I&#39;ll sit with it and move away from that very attractive mystery --lol!!! </p> Re: Moist with Unending Mystery - C&C http://addresstofollow.gaia.com Zephyr tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-490821 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:49:03 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/488667#490821 <p> Wow Meenakshi, a little gem,that gives clarity for me now, does it feel right to you? </p> Re: Moist with Unending Mystery - C&C http://Meenakshi.gaia.com Meenakshi tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-490819 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:42:53 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/488667#490819 <p> Hmm..I&#39;ll see why I thought of mystery -- I think it&#39;s because we live in mystery till perhaps one day we will know all --when we are whatever is meant to be uncovered.<br /><br />So, if I don&#39;t use &#39;all&#39;, <br />=====================Draft 2==========<br /> Moist with <span style="text-decoration: line-through"></span>light<br /><br />The clay vessel&nbsp; <br /> Fills up with knowledge<br /> Empties&nbsp; <br />Into the All<br /> <br />When full, it disintegrates<br />when empty it bathes in dawning light </p> Re: Moist with Unending Mystery - C&C http://addresstofollow.gaia.com Zephyr tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-490743 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:21:42 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/488667#490743 <p> Hi Meenakshi<br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I took time to define and look at the synonyms for mystery<br /><br /><strong>Main Entry:</strong><br />mystery<br /><br /><strong>Part of Speech:</strong><br /><em>noun</em><br /><br /><strong>Definition:</strong><br />puzzle, secret<br /><br /><strong><br /></strong>Synonyms:<br /><span>abstruseness, brainteaser, braintwister, <a href="http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/charade" target="_blank">charade</a>, chiller, cliffhanger, closed book, <a href="http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/conundrum" target="_blank">conundrum</a>, <a href="http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/crux" target="_blank">crux</a>, cryptogram, <a href="http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/difficulty" target="_blank">difficulty</a>, <a href="http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/enigma" target="_blank">enigma</a>, grabber, inscrutability, inscrutableness, mindboggler, mystification, <a href="http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/occult" target="_blank">occult</a>, <a href="http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/oracle" target="_blank">oracle</a>, perplexity, poser, <a href="http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/problem" target="_blank">problem</a>, puzzlement, <a href="http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/question" target="_blank">question</a>, rebus, <a href="http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/riddle" target="_blank">riddle</a>, rune, <a href="http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/secrecy" target="_blank">secrecy</a>, sixty-four-thousand-dollar question, sphinx, stickler, stumper, subtlety, teaser, thriller, tough nut to crack, twister, whodunit, <a href="http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/why" target="_blank">why</a>* </span><br /><br /><strong><br /></strong>Antonyms:<br /><br /><span><a href="http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/known" target="_blank">known</a>, <a href="http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/understanding" target="_blank">understanding</a> </span><br /><span></span>&nbsp;<br /><span>Somehow for the reader mystery doesn&#39;t seem to fit with the content of your poem, maybe understanding or enlightenment light, or some such word ?</span><br /><span></span>&nbsp;<br /><br /><span><br /></span><br /><br /><br />&nbsp;<br /><br />Moist with Un.....<br /><br />The vessel of clay<br />Fills up with knowledge<br />Empties<br />Into the All<br /><br />Wondering if you need it all, or&nbsp;if it all is superflous&nbsp;&nbsp;? Just a suggestion to keep it tight.<br /><br /><span></span>&nbsp; </p> Re: Moist with Unending Mystery - C&C http://Meenakshi.gaia.com Meenakshi tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-490429 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:32:05 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/488667#490429 <p> Thanks Kevin, you&#39;ve given me an idea about its ambiguity. Trouble is, allegorical poems are usually ambiguous, aren&#39;t they?<br /><br />So--may I tell you what I&#39;m trying to convey and perhaps you could tell me if something else comes up?<br /><br />I&#39;m trying to convey that we are like a vessel that gets filled with knowledge [water]. As we do, we grow, expand and so on --all desirable ends of becoming more knowledgeable. <br />But since we&#39;re made of clay, we can break if we hold on to the knowledge. We&#39;ve to empty ourselves of knowledge so that we may still stay moist --this is the crux of these verses. That knowledge that isn&#39;t imbibed, or absorbed into the vessel&#39;s clay, is superfluous; and dangerous as it can destroy. Only that knowledge is of use that a vessel/person has imbibed. That is the meaning of moist.<br /><br />Now as to &#39;mystery&#39;; I&#39;m pondering if another word would fit. At first, &#39;mercy &#39; doesn&#39;t resonate with me perhaps because it brings in the idea of God or a higher power being merciful...another point but I&#39;m not dismissing it. Do you feel it&#39;s mercy, and if so, how would it fit into this explanation? </p> Re: Moist with Unending Mystery - C&C http://107LamplighterDrive.gaia.com Sparky tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-490418 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:50:28 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/488667#490418 <p> Hi Meenakshi, I&#39;d would&nbsp;have the vessel&nbsp;be strengthened by staying moist so<br />it could be &quot;Moist with Unending Mercy,&quot; rather than mystery since Mercy<br />is needed more than mystery. This would of course put a different meaning out,<br />but I&#39;d like it better. Otherwise, I think the message is too ambiguous. This is my opinion, but it&#39;s feels better to me. All the best, Kevin </p> Re: Moist with Unending Mystery - C&C http://Meenakshi.gaia.com Meenakshi tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-488687 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:08:31 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/488667#488687 <p> I won&#39;t be able to edit it; but could you add tags, Zephyr?<br /><br />Tags: allegory, spiritual path, emptiness, relation of soul to God/Source/Creator/Universe </p> Re: Moist with Unending Mystery - C&C http://addresstofollow.gaia.com Zephyr tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-488678 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:18:39 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/488667#488678 <p> Hi Meenakshi, could you do what I did in my new poem latest blog and add tags underneath, kind of explaining your thought process ? </p> Moist with Unending Mystery - C&C http://Meenakshi.gaia.com Meenakshi tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-488667 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:15:19 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/488667 <p> Moist with Unending Mystery<br /><br />The vessel of clay<br /> Fills up with knowledge<br /> Empties it all<br /> Into the All<br /> <br /> <br /> Clay stays strong when moist<br /> And disintegrates with the weight of water<br /><br />=================<br /><br />This is just evolving and I&#39;d love the help of the poets here. Like the clay I write off, I am willing for it to be disintegrated or strengthened... </p> Shortlived Shrews. http://addresstofollow.gaia.com Zephyr tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-470360 Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:08:57 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/470360 <p> For fun tried some rhyme, wondering if it works.<br /><br />Shortlived Shrews.<br /><br />A crescent moon shines a milky light,<br />a mysterious dance on the face of night.<br />More eloquent as twilight fades away<br />tall fingers of poplar whisper and sway,<br /><br />Common shrew dark brown, pale brown,whitish, <br />dense velvety fur, bright eyes that are smallish<br />long pointy nose hides red teeth in pink gum.<br />tails held caravan style, shrew babies trail Mum<br /><br />Shrew, leaves an often borrowed house <br />hidden under shrubs seeks earwig and louse&nbsp; &nbsp;<br />an insect feast, for they eat their own weight. <br />Hears tawny owls too-wit-too-woo, it&#39;s a late <br /><br />call, her distant reply pierces the gloom.<br />A night like this, our shrew will meet it&#39;s doom <br />matched by owls superb vision and silent flight <br />to be a feast for tawny owl one fateful night.<span></span><span></span><span><a title="ShareThis via email, AIM, social bookmarking and networking sites, etc." target="_blank"><span></span></a></span> </p> Re: Seeds of light for C & C please http://addresstofollow.gaia.com Zephyr tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-469500 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:10:29 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/468030#469500 <p> Meenakshi, I like the change, more open yet reads smoothly, </p> Re: Seeds of light for C & C please http://Meenakshi.gaia.com Meenakshi tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-468539 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:22:13 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/468030#468539 <p> Divine consciousness that once roamed the land <br />As teacher, healer, sage, <br />Sowed seeds of longing as it rose into eternity<br />Has returned to fulfill its promise<br />To blossoms that are now unfurling<br /><br />-- </p> Re: Seeds of light for C & C please http://Meenakshi.gaia.com Meenakshi tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-468535 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:10:15 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/468030#468535 <p> Definitely helps...I&#39;m going to let it come through - thanks a lot, Zephyr. </p> Re: Seeds of light for C & C please http://addresstofollow.gaia.com Zephyr tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-468516 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:49:59 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/468030#468516 <p> Hi Meenakshi, the part where you are not satisfied, maybe instead of naming, perhaps you might say divine spirits roamed, then the reader could imagine their particular divinity, christ, mohammed etc? Dormant seeds is another possibility? I like the phrase fulfill a promise,. You have several ings in the verse sprouting longing sowing, these can add a sort of sing song quality, which you may or may not want here.<br />I do feel it&#39;s more grounded now, something for the reader to hang their vision on, and you are right to leave some bits hanging to leave room for the readers imagination.<br />On your quality of light maybe consider intensity, direction and color, and metallic makes me think of reflective light, silvered, like moonlight on water, hope something here is helpful, it&#39;s coming together well. </p> Re: Seeds of light for C & C please http://Meenakshi.gaia.com Meenakshi tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-468505 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:09:09 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/468030#468505 <p> I am delighted with the co-creation which is how poetry seems to me<br /><br />Not fully satisfied with <br /><br />So the consciousness that once roamed the land <br />As Buddha, Christ, and other anointed ones<br />Departed after sowing seeds of longing<br />Has returned to fulfill its promise<br />To seeds that showed signs of sprouting<br /><br />--and<br />am wondering how to bring to light that unique feel to light which is metallic yet can pass through everything.<br />--Zephyr, thank you for sitting with it and giving time.<br /><br />I wonder if it is now more grounded as you had mentioned, for the average reader? though sometimes I do think that I like the poem to draw people in to their own visions. </p> Re: Seeds of light for C & C please http://addresstofollow.gaia.com Zephyr tag:gaia.com,2009:Gaia-468300 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:12:56 GMT http://groups.gaia.com/poetry__workshop/conversations/view/468030#468300 <p> Meenakshi, you definitely are a poet if you are writing poetry, honing poetic skills is a lifelong task, The great poets never stopped trying to perfect revised and revised again, even those greats who wrote for years. We all have to start somewhere, and when we love poetry, as you have here we put our passion into it, and put the poem before ego, I love how you open to suggestion and yet still make the poem uniquely yours, expressing your ideas and passion. Are you pleased how your poem has grown?&nbsp; I have a lot of respect for others work and try to read and absorb, several times before making any comments and this is first read of your revision, will be back later today, hugs dear fellow poet - and I am just that, a fellow poet sharing ideas, and respecting your creative integrity, not an expert. So consider comments and only take what works for your poem </p>